Korea yanunua ardhi "kwa mkopo" Tanzania, Serikali yasita kuthibitisha

[BAK]

Mbalamwezi,
Soma tena ripoti kwa makini. Hawa si wawekezaji. Wanakuja mkono mtupu, wachimbe madini, wakipata hela ndipo waziingize kwenye kilimo. Halafu mnagawana mavuno nusu kwa nusu wakati hela ya madini wanaweka mifukoni. Hii wala si win-win situation. Ni win situation kwa Wakorea.

Watu hawataki kuliona hilo Jasusi. Hao 'wachukuaji' wanakuja bila hata mtaji wanavuna rasilimali zetu ili kupata mtaji wao halafu huo mtaji uliopatikana kupitia rasilimali zetu ndiyo wanawekeza halafu kwa ujinga wa Tanzania tunasema tumewakaribisha 'wawekezaji' kumbe hawana uwekezaji wowote ni matapeli tu! Only in Tanzania!

 

[BAK]

baada ya sera ya ARI MPYA ,NGUVU MPYA NA KASI MPYA KUPROVE FAILURE, sasa amekuja na SERa mpya ya KILIMO KWANZA
yaani hapo ni kilimo tu kama ni WENYE KUBEBA ALMASI SAWA, WENYE KUBEBA GOLD SAWA, WENYE KUBEBA CHUMA SAWA, LAKINI KILIMO KWANZA
TEHE TEHEE

Naona wabadilishe na kuita sera yao, Usanii Kwanza. Maana badala ya kutwambia sera za Ari mpya, nguvu mpya na kasi mpya pamoja na Maisha bora kwa kila Mtanzania yanawezekana zimeishia wapi na mafanikio yake yalikuwa yapi wamerukia KILIMO KWANZA kwa kujiandaa na 2010! Naona tu bora wawe na sera ya USANII KWANZA.

 

[Zakumi]

Watu hawataki kuliona hilo Jasusi. Hao 'wachukuaji' wanakuja bila hata mtaji wanavuna rasilimali zetu ili kupata mtaji wao halafu huo mtaji uliopatikana kupitia rasilimali zetu ndiyo wanawekeza halafu kwa ujinga wa Tanzania tunasema tumewakaribisha 'wawekezaji' kumbe hawana uwekezaji wowote ni matapeli tu! Only in Tanzania!

Son:

Ni makosa makubwa kusema kuwa wanakuja bila mtaji. Kuna kitu kinaitwa Human Capital, watu wenye skills. Kama bila kuwa na watu wenye skills hata Ethiopia ingeweza kuja ku-invest Tanzania.

 

[Steve Dii]

Son:

Ni makosa makubwa kusema kuwa wanakuja bila mtaji. Kuna kitu kinaitwa Human Capital, watu wenye skills. Kama bila kuwa na watu wenye skills hata Ethiopia ingeweza kuja ku-invest Tanzania.

Basi si wakifunge kabisa kabisa hiki chuo cha Sokoine!

 

[Jasusi]

Unaweza ukawa sahihi Jasusi,

lakini wanawezaje kuchimba madini wakiwa mikono mitupu, nasi tunashindwaje kuchimba madini hayo hayo mikono mitupu?

Siyo kwamba tunashindwa. Sera zetu ni kuvutia wawekezaji. Full stop!

 

[Steve Dii]

Hapa Mh. Wasira anakana...
Tusubirie Jumatatu ijayo.... kama statement ya Waziri wa Kilimo bado itakuwa imesimama dede!!!

 

[BAK]

Son:

Ni makosa makubwa kusema kuwa wanakuja bila mtaji. Kuna kitu kinaitwa Human Capital, watu wenye skills. Kama bila kuwa na watu wenye skills hata Ethiopia ingeweza kuja ku-invest Tanzania.

Ha ha ha ha ha Hata Barrick wana watu wenye skills za certificate tu za miezi 9 au less than that na wakati huo huo wanalipwa $4,000 na wakati huo Wabongo wenzetu wenye elimu ya juu kuwashinda hao hao "wenye skills' za certificates walikuwa wanaambulia 10% tu ya mishahara ya hao wenye skills. Nimeshafanya kazi na the so called TXs wengi tu kutoka nchi mbali mbali na 'skills zao' nyingi ni questionable na Watanzania tumewazidi kwa mbali tu lakini bado walikuwa wanaitwa "Tanzania Experts" na kulipwa mishahara minono na huku hawana uexpert wowote!

Wale makaburu wa Net Group Problems ambao Mkapa aliwapa kuendesha TANESCO nao walikuwa na skills lakini baadaye walikuja kugundulika ni watupu kabisa hawajui chochote kuhusu umeme na wala hawakuwahi kuendesha shirika la uzalishaji umeme. Hawa Wakorea nao watakuwa ni matapeli tu.

 

[Zakumi]

Basi si wakifunge kabisa kabisa hiki chuo cha Sokoine!

Steve D:

Nilirudi Tanzania na nikaenda mitaa ya pugu Road kutafuta tractor. Valmet wakanipa bei ya kama 35 Millioni. Nikaona kubwa sana na jamaa wakanambia kuwa kuna mikopo ya serikali inaitwa mikopo ya pembejeo.

Nimefuatilia mikopo hiyo. Kweli hipo. Nalichotakiwa ni kuonyesha mali isiyoondosheka. Nimefungua shamba na nachukua mikopo na naanza UKABAILA bongo.

Hivyo sioni sababu ya graduate wa SUA kushindwa kutumia elimu yake.

 

[Mbalamwezi]

Siyo kwamba tunashindwa. Sera zetu ni kuvutia wawekezaji. Full stop!

Sawa, lakini mkuu Jasusi ukisema hivyo inaonekana kama vile wawekezaji walikuja kwanza, yakafuata madini, kumbe ukweli ni kwamba tulikuwa na madini haya kabla ya historia ya nchi hii, na je, tuliyafanyia nini?

Kuna samaki wengi sana kule baharini, lakini ni pale tunapoibiwa tu ndiyo tunashtuka, wakati hata uwezo wa kuwalinda hao samaki hatuna...bora kipi sasa katika kutumia utajiri huu, tugawane na wenye uwezo wa kuvua, kulima kwa teknoljia na kujiendeleza hatimaye tufanye sisi wenyewe, au tuutazame tu huu utajiri huku ukiibiwa?

 

[Zakumi]

Ha ha ha ha ha Hata Barrick wana watu wenye skills za certificate tu za miezi 9 au less than that na wakati huo huo wanalipwa $4,000 na wakati huo Wabongo wenzetu wenye elimu ya juu kuwashinda hao hao "wenye skills' za certificates walikuwa wanaambulia 10% tu ya mishahara ya hao wenye skills. Nimeshafanya kazi na the so called TXs wengi tu kutoka nchi mbali mbali na 'skills zao' nyingi ni questionable na Watanzania tumewazidi kwa mbali tu lakini bado walikuwa wanaitwa "Tanzania Experts" na kulipwa mishahara minono na huku hawana uexpert wowote!

Wale makaburu wa Net Group Problems ambao Mkapa aliwapa kuendesha TANESCO nao walikuwa na skills lakini baadaye walikuja kugundulika ni watupu kabisa hawajui chochote kuhusu umeme na wala hawakuwahi kuendesha shirika la uzalishaji umeme. Hawa Wakorea nao watakuwa ni matapeli tu.

Son:

Hawa jamaa wanakuja kwenye kilimo. Kilimo hakina skills za nguvu, tunachoshindwa ni nini?

Acheni longolongo.

 

[Steve Dii]

Steve D:

Nilirudi Tanzania na nikaenda mitaa ya pugu Road kutafuta tractor. Valmet wakanipa bei ya kama 35 Millioni. Nikaona kubwa sana na jamaa wakanambia kuwa kuna mikopo ya serikali inaitwa mikopo ya pembejeo.

Nimefuatilia mikopo hiyo. Kweli hipo. Nalichotakiwa ni kuonyesha mali isiyoondosheka. Nimefungua shamba na nachukua mikopo na naanza UKABAILA bongo.

Hivyo sioni sababu ya graduate wa SUA kushindwa kutumia elimu yake.

...Mkulu Zakumi, Je, hiyo ni moja la lile fungu la marudisho ya EPA?... seriously!

...Serikali ni mwezezashi, kwanini iwe sirisiri kutangaza kuwawezesha top graduate 10 tu kutoka pale na kuwapa 50Mill kila mmoja (again, fungu la EPA) na kuwatengea maeneo huku wakiwatafutia market Korea, Uarabuni, n.k. na sehemu za kununulia machinery kwa bei nafuu huko Uisraeli?!

 

[Tiba]

Naam wala hujakosea, huyu ni fisadi mkubwa sana, hajali kabisa maslahi ya Tanzania na Watanzania. Na siku zote michango yake hapa jukwaani ni kuwatetea mafisadi hata siku moja hajawahi kutetea maslahi ya Watanzania na Tanzania, naona ni mmoja wa mapandikizi waliopandikizwa hapa na mafisadi na chama chama chao.

Mkuu Bubu Ataka Kusema,

You have said it all, Should I say more!!!! Huyo ni mtetezi wa siku zote wa upuuzi ufanyikao Tanzania. Naogopa hata kuchangia kwenye hii mada kwani nitaishia kutukana!!!!

Vichwa panzi ndio wameshikiria usukani Tanzania. How can someone with full sound mind can accept such a deal?

Tiba

 

[Jasusi]

Sawa, lakini mkuu Jasusi ukisema hivyo inaonekana kama vile wawekezaji walikuja kwanza, yakafuata madini, kumbe ukweli ni kwamba tulikuwa na madini haya kabla ya historia ya nchi hii, na je, tuliyafanyia nini?

Kuna samaki wengi sana kule baharini, lakini ni pale tunapoibiwa tu ndiyo tunashtuka, wakati hata uwezo wa kuwalinda hao samaki hatuna...bora kipi sasa katika kutumia utajiri huu, tugawane na wenye uwezo wa kuvua, kulima kwa teknoljia na kujiendeleza hatimaye tufanye sisi wenyewe, au tuutazame tu huu utajiri huku ukiibiwa?

Hebu mwambie Msaudia kuwa mgawane mafuta yao kama atakuelewa. Ni kwa nini sisi tu ndiyo tuwe kwenye kapu la kugawana? Ndiyo, madini tulikuwa nayo na Nyerere akasema ngoja Watanzania wasome wapate utaalamu waje wayachimbe lakini guess what. Na Watanzania wamesoma kiasi kwamba tunao wataalamu wengi tu wa madini. Lakini Mafisadi waliposhika hatamu tu wakawakaribisha maswahiba wao, wakawapa msamaha wa kodi na leo tunasifika kuwa wazalishaji wa 3 duniani kwa madini lakini we have nothing to show for. Hebu nikuulize: Johannesburg ulijengwa kwa dhahabu iliyokuwa inachimbwa pale. Je leo na keshokutwa kweli Bulyankulu itakuja kuendelea kama Johannesburg? Tutashuhudia barabara zinazopita hewani na sewage safi au tutabaki na makorongo tu? Sasa ardhi is our last refuge. Na hiyo tumeanza kuichezea.

 

[Mbalamwezi]

Steve D:

Nilirudi Tanzania na nikaenda mitaa ya pugu Road kutafuta tractor. Valmet wakanipa bei ya kama 35 Millioni. Nikaona kubwa sana na jamaa wakanambia kuwa kuna mikopo ya serikali inaitwa mikopo ya pembejeo.

Nimefuatilia mikopo hiyo. Kweli hipo. Nalichotakiwa ni kuonyesha mali isiyoondosheka. Nimefungua shamba na nachukua mikopo na naanza UKABAILA bongo.

Hivyo sioni sababu ya graduate wa SUA kushindwa kutumia elimu yake.

Huo ni mfano mzuri Zakumi, hongera sana. Lakini wengi wetu mawazo ya kilimo tunaona ni ya kimasikini na kizamani sana. Hata wanaosomea, wengi wao wanasubiri kuajiriwa!

Na hata mawazo ya mikopo kama tunayo, ni mikopo ya prado tu, kwa ajili ya kwenda kulewea pale Rose Garden.

Kuwekeza katika kilimo, ambako 80% ya Watanzania wanategemea, ndiyo njia sahihi ya kusababisha hali bora kwa kila Mtanzania. Lakini hata sisi tunaobeba maboksi, baadhi yetu tungependa zaidi biashara za kuonekana na wenzetu, kubanana na waarabu kuuza magari nk. Kilimo tunakiogopa, na hatupendi kujifunza mambo mapya kwa sababu tunaogopa changes.

 

[Mwafrika]

Huo ni mfano mzuri Zakumi, hongera sana. Lakini wengi wetu mawazo ya kilimo tunaona ni ya kimasikini na kizamani sana. Hata wanaosomea, wengi wao wanasubiri kuajiriwa!

Na hata mawazo ya mikopo kama tunayo, ni mikopo ya prado tu, kwa ajili ya kwenda kulewea pale Rose Garden.

Kuwekeza katika kilimo, ambako 80% ya Watanzania wanategemea, ndiyo njia sahihi ya kusababisha hali bora kwa kila Mtanzania. Lakini hata sisi tunaobeba maboksi, baadhi yetu tungependa zaidi biashara za kuonekana na wenzetu, kubanana na waarabu kuuza magari nk. Kilimo tunakiogopa, na hatupendi kujifunza mambo mapya kwa sababu tunaogopa changes.

Kama haya ndiyo mawazo ya viongozi wetu (i hope ni vinginevyo) basi hii nchi inaenda kuzimu.

Yaani Tanzania kuendelea inahitaji kuwekeza kwenye kilimo!!!, yaani kuwafuata asilimia 80 walioko kwenye kilimo na sio kuwatoa huko kwenye kilimo!!!!!????

Tanzania itaendelea kwa kuinua watu wengi toka kwenye kilimo na kuwaweka kwenye service na manufacturing na sio vinginevyo. China walijaribu kilimo kwa miaka kibao na matokeo yake yanajulikana.

Walivyogundua kuwa kilimo kinawalostisha wakageukia service na manufacturing. Kila siku namsikia Kikwete na yule mtoto wa mkulima ambaye anapanda jet kila aendako (Pinda) wanapiga makelele kuwa nchi yetu itaendela kwa kupitia kilimo ---- yeah, kilimo kwanza; ninabaki bila cha kusema.

 

[Mwafrika]

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Mimi naunga mkono kuwakaribisha wawekezaji kwa ajili ya kilimo cha chakula ili mradi tu maslahi ya taifa yalindwe, kuliko kuwapa wawekezaji ardhi kubwa kwa ajili ya biofuel production, ambayo ni garantii ya kutuletea mfumuko wa bei ya chakula na njaa.

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Dawa yake ni kujifunza namna bora zaidi ya kunufaika na ushirikiano huu wa lazima, badala ya kupiga kelele tu.

Tatizo ni kuwa unaongelea serikali ya Kikwete ambayo ni siku si nyingi ilisaini mkataba wa madini kwenye hoteli na kisha hata baada ya kubanwa na wananchi, wameshindwa kufanya chochote.

Huku kujifunza tutaendelea kujifunza hadi kiyama ila kama viongozi hawana dira kama huyu Kikwete, ni bora wasiingie mikataba yoyote na wakoloni hawa -- huu ni mchezo tu kama ule wa Karl Peters miaka ile.

 

[Manta]

Pwani province.. 100,000 hectares for Korean to show us how to farm

Korea to build farming infrastructure in Tanzania

Korea will develop large-scale farmland and a food processing complex in Tanzania that could help local companies make inroads into African and European markets, a state-run rural development corporation said Thursday, according to Yonhap News.

The project that could start next year involves development of 100,000 hectares of land in Pwani Province in the eastern African country, the Korea Rural Community Corp. (KRC) said.

"Of the total, half will be developed and given to Tanzanian farmers, with the rest to South Korean farming and food companies,"

Han Sang-woo, executive director of regional development at KRC said.

"We have asked Dar es Salaam to give us operating rights to 50,000 hectares of land in which South Korean businesses can raise grains and make processed foods like cooking oil, wine and starch,"the executive said.

Source The Korean Herald http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2009/09/24/200909240088.asp

 

[Ng'wanza Madaso]

Tunatafuta pesa ya uchaguzi kwani uchaguzi huu hatuwezi ku Kagoda tena.

 

[Chokona]

Hivi bunge letu linafanya kazi ipi? Nafikiri ifike mahala na ikubalike kwamba mikataba mikubwa yote ambayo serikali inataka kuifanya lazima ipate baraka za bunge kwa maana kwamba ipelekwe huko ijadiliwe na wabunge wapitishe hiyo miradi kwa kula ya ndiyo ama hapana kwa kutamka kila mbunge mmoja mmoja kwa nafsi yake ili baadaye kila mbunge awe accountable kwa watu wake na watanzania kwa ujumla,yanayofanyika sasa kama ni kweli hayaingii akilini mwa mtu!! tumeona ardhi na mashamba yalivyoleta taabu sana Zimbabwe na mpaka sasa ni shida tupu, hivi sisi bado tunakimbilia kutoa ardhi kubwa namna hiyo bila kufikiri kwa kina!! lakini shauri ya 10% who cares? Rais alisema kuwa ange review mikataba ya madini, alikiri kwamba ni mibovu lakini cha ajabu akamteua aliyeandika mikataba hiyo yaani AG wa wakati ule Chenge kuwa waziri wa miundombinu, sijui ni kwa kazi nzuri iliyotukuka aliyoifanya kama AG ilibidi apewe uwaziri tena wa wizara nyeti!! au ni uswahiba this God alone can tell! ya RITES tunayaona leo, kwa maana hiyo serikali isipewe tena mamraka ya kusaini mikataba mikubwa bila kibali cha bunge!! mfano ni huo kwamba raisi kwa maana ya serikali anaona chenge ali draft mikataba mibaya ya madini na akaahidi kuireview kwa maslahi ya Tz lakini pamoja na hayo akaona ampongeze kwa kumteua kuwa waziri!! Ndo serikali tuliyo nayo na raisi tuliyenaye!! Nafikiri it is common sense dictation mwenye mamcho aambiwi Tazama!!
Mungu ibariki Tanzania

 

[Manta]

More news on the land issue.. after development 50,000 hk for locals to farm on their own and remaining 50,000 hk for a Korean company

S Korea to develop farmland tract in Tanzania

Congested South Korea will develop a large tract of land in Tanzania for farming and food processing in its latest attempt to establish agriculture overseas, officials said on Thursday.

The state-run Korea Rural Community Corp (KRC) said it would next month sign a memorandum of understanding to work 100 000 hectares (247 000 acres) in the east African nation's Pwani province over the next six years.

Half will be developed and handed over to local farmers and the rest will be available for South Korean food processing companies to produce cooking oil, wine and starch.

"Some African countries export fruit and import fruit juice, or export olives and import olive oil, simply because their past colonialists did not teach them how to process food," said KRC overseas development team leader Lee Ki-Churl.

'... their past colonialists did not teach them how to process food'

"We plan to set up an education centre for Tanzanian farmers in the food processing zone in order to transfer agricultural know-how and irrigation expertise to them," he told AFP.

He said up to 100-billion won (83-million dollars) will be spent on developing an initial 10 000 hectares of land over the next few years.

Details on development of the remaining land, which could cost up to 800-billion won, would be drawn up in the future.

Heavily populated and resource-poor South Korea is looking overseas to secure stable supplies of natural resources, including food.

Hyundai Heavy Industries said in April it had reached a deal to develop 5 0000 hectares of Russian farmland, to produce 60 000 tons of corn and beans annually by 2014.

Last year South Korea's Daewoo Logistics said it had won initial approval from the Madagascar government to lease 1.3-million hectares of farmland - half the size of Belgium.

But the deal has been thrown into doubt amid political unrest there. - AFP

Source: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=87&art_id=nw20090924084905703C603651