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Kenya sends a 13-member delegation to make a 5 min speech

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    macho_mdiliko JF-Expert Member

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    What is wrong with Africans??

    Kenya sends a 13-member delegation to make a 5 min speech

    Kenya has sent a 13-member delegation to make a five minute speech at a meeting of the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva where the government is to be accused of executing suspects.

    Five ministers have been flown First Class to Geneva, the second most expensive city in the world, for Wednesday’s meeting, along with a team of government officials and two bodyguards. Yet, only the leader of the delegation will be allowed to speak, according to one UN staffer.

    UN Special Rapporteur Philip Alston is expected to get his five minutes to comment on his report, which accuses the Kenya police of illegally killing suspects.

    Alston’s findings

    One half of the Kenyan delegation, made up of Attorney-General Amos Wako, Justice minister Mutula Kilonzo and Security minister George Saitoti opposes Prof Alston’s findings.
    The other half, comprising Lands minister James Orengo and East African Cooperation minister Jeffa Kingi, representing ODM, supports Prof Alston and would like his recommendations implemented.

    Mr Orengo and Mr Kingi joined the delegation after Prime Minister Raila Odinga protested that the initial list did not reflect the broad view of the Grand Coalition. A meeting with President Kibaki at State House on Monday secured the two ODM ministers tickets to Geneva.

    The three-day assignment will cost taxpayers more than Sh5 million, according to the Nation’s calculations. It remains to be seen whether that is prudent use of public funds at a time when the economy is on the decline and the Treasury is cutting costs to keep the country afloat.

    Others in the delegation are Justice permanent secretary Aminah Mohamed, Police spokesman Eric Kiraithe, a deputy secretary in the ministry of Internal Security, Mr Amos Gachetha, the chief litigation officer at the AG’s chambers and two other senior government officers.

    A UN official, who cannot be named because he has no authority to comment on the matter, said Kenya will be given five minutes to respond to Prof Alston’s report either through Mr Kilonzo, the Justice minister or Mr Wako, the government’s legal advisor. The Government submitted its written response to Prof Alston’s report last week.

    The UN official said at most only three seats — one for the main speaker and two for key members of the delegation — may have been reserved for the Kenyan delegation.

    Majority of the seats, said the UN staffer, will be taken up by UN Human Rights Council member states such as the United Kingdom, the United States, Germany and other members of the European Union who are likely to use the session to punch holes in the Kenyan defence.

    Despite being aware of the protocol at meetings of UN agencies, Kenya sent a big delegation mainly due to rivalries in the Grand Coalition.

    Former Justice minister Martha Karua, who is familiar with such meetings, said it was a waste of money to send a delegation of 13.

    “Only one person, who is the leader of the delegation, will be allowed to speak. The rest of the team are just joy-riders. A bloated government will always have a bloated delegation,” she said.

    “This is a team with people representing the views of only PNU and ODM... there is need for a government stand, but not party positions,” she said.

    The delegation left the country on Monday night and Tuesday morning, ostensibly to reverse the damage inflicted on the country’s image regarding its human rights record.

    Government sources said they flew Swiss Airlines, first to Zurich and then connected to Geneva, which is on the border with France. According to current fares, a return first class ticket costs an average of Sh200,000 ($2,440).

    Source: Nation
     
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    Baba umeniwahi..lol
     
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    Typical Fisadis 4 lyf
     
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    Who are the typical fisadis? Africans ama Kenyans?

    If it is Kenyans, yes we are corrupt.. Have you noted one thing about the Kenyan public, as much as the goverment is corrupt, we use our media to try and expose the cases. This trip is unnecessary due to the number of people going, that is lack of accountability but not corruption..

    Thats where our media and human right activists come in and do their calculations and expose the same using the media. When the public catch wind of such occurances, it forces the goverment to act on the case, whether willingly or unwillingly. Am sure that such trips are not confined within our borders, and joy riders are also in tanzania, the only problem is that there is no one to expose the ill, they just leave and come back without any one noticing or blowing the whistle.
     
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    We would appreciate kindly, if you would substantiate your claims with clear cut information where does 'no one expose the ill' comes from. Else, you will have to apologize for misinformation.
     
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    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    Am bila evidence, I know for a fact that most African countries lack accountability especially to trips abroad, where a Minister can go with an entourage of ten people to a meeting where the permanent secretary would have sufficiently represented the government. In that case I tender my apology..

    Abdulhalim, Has such a case ever occured in TZ?? And if yes, what was the media and public reactions?
     
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    Its best that we choose our words correctly. You can't just put general statements which are unfounded and can irritate others.

    If you would be fair, here in JF last few weeks, if not days, we were questioning the trip of our Prez to the White House, and in one heated debate was about one photographer in the entourage, Michuzi. This shows how some of us are concerned.

    It is disrepectful and misplaced claims for you to say that no-one takes a note as if all of us are dumb. Learn to be respectful bro.
     
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    ustadh, si nime apologize, whats with all the negative energy, try and relax man, what??
     
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    Is there any difference here?
    Is one better than the other?

    Smatta bana!!!
     
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    MzalendoHalisi JF-Expert Member

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    Sijui niseme Afrika tunatawaliwa na ubinafsi na umaskini wa mawazo!

    Gharama ya watu wazito 13 Geneve' je ni kodi ya mwananchi wa Kenya??

    Angalia pia safari pia ya JK mara 6 US tangu 2006 na msafara wa zaidi ya watu 40..wakati anatumia pesa ya kodi ya watu maskini!

    Je Afrika tuna tatizo gani haswa?
     
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    Baba Enock, wacha tu... was high as a kite a while back.. am easy now, nimeanza kujenga taifa.
     
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    Smatta/ Abdulhalim/ Mzalendohalisi etc.,
    Huu ni wizi wa rasilimali za taifa unaitwa kwa lugha nyepesi 'matumizi mabaya '. Ni aina ya ufisadi.

    We need to continue exposing these ills, be it in Tanzania or Kenya, for the benefit of the people of our countries.
     
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    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    Hawa watu ni wezi, we should never vote in these guys again, they use alot of money to trips whose benefit the common mwananchi is not seeing, they are simply thieves. There time will come, and they will pay for every cent they have stolen from our pockets.
    per DM ya 100,000 ksh. Thats alot to give one person per day in a country unable to feed its citizen.
     
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    Typical ''NN's saying: Miafrika ndivyo tulivyo''.

    Nimekumbuka kuna rafiki yangu alikuwa anafanya kazi Newzland,sasa mwaka 2006 wakati EL akiwa bado prime minister wa TZ alipitia huko Newzland. Pamoja na shughuli nyingine alizokuwa nazo huko, alitaka kuonana na watz wanaoishi huko.

    EL alikuwa na delegation ya watu 30 hivi, wakati watz waliokuwa wanaonwa huko Newzland walikuwa 10 hivi tu!...kati ya hao kumi, wengine walikuwa ni madenti!

    Sasa just imagine how much did that visit cost? Definately millions of tax payers' money! I can't understand what kind of people we are really!
     
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    Technically, it is not "we", the relatively enlightened, who vote in these guys.


    I seriously doubt this.
     
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    bad leadership has been like a disease to us, it has eaten this nation to the core.. a potentially great nation is at the brink of failure just because of a certain crop of power hungry individuals, who want to make money (obscene amounts for that matter), at the expense of the majority poor public, who have toiled to pay taxes to fuel the rich minister fuel guzzling foreign car, furnish his young mistress's apartment in upmarket Nairobi, pay for his unnecessary trips abroad, and pay schoolfees for his sisters bright son in Harvard. That is what we have to go through on a daily basis.. For how long do you think Kenyans will tolerate this, till 2012? I dont think so.

    The wait for 2012 will be the biggest test for this great nation, all we need is the right person and the right moment, to get our country back to track sooner than later. We cant let this oldies destroy a great country like Kenya, hell no.
     
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    It is my view that the main issue with Africa is the lack of proper checks and balances in government.
    Most of which is brought about by the continuation of colonial era doctrines that were in themselves designed to perpetuate exactly that! But because our so called leaders discovered the advantages granted by said policies, they continue to perpetuate them.

    The mentality of [and I use this for lack of a more politically correct phrase] the un-enlightened population that chochote mheshimiwa amesema ni ukweli, keeps this same population from questioning.

    The lack of easy access to necessary info is appalling to say the least. And this is partly to blame for the "all knowing mheshimiwa" mentality. Imagine for instant the so called mheshimiwa akisimama akawaambia watu "Kufungu 25 (2) (a) cha Katiba kinasema ......" wangapi watampinga. One cannot even be suspicious unless you have an inkling of what is containned in said document. Most of us fall in this category, I personaly have never read our Katiba, not even perused it, ni aibu lakini ni kweli. Where do I even get a copy?

    Wakati umefika waalimu wasomi, yeyote mwenye uwezo tuelimishane, ndo hata hawa waheshimiwa wetu wanapo ongea pumba, pawe na mtu wa ku point it out, lets not just rely on the media, but make the media part of our arsenal against the this disease that has afflicted us.

    Let us treat anything from the government the same way we treat our bank statements. With the intent to find anything and everything that is wrong or misplaced
     
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    Hivi naomba kuuliza maisha ya wakenya walio potea inawezakuwa ya thamani gani compared to hicho kitakachotumiwa ku elezea what happened kupata international support ya kuwaadhibu wahusika? Kama in case even a one minute statement will distort the truth about the scenario which would imply the continuation of such inhuman behaviours in the future I dont see why Kenyan should not incur cost for such occasion for it is worthy to. Angalia wenzetu kwenye mikutano kama ya WTO; environmental protocals etc ambayo inagusa maslahi yao huwa wanapeleka delegates wangapi. Jamani lets be great thinkers and not take things for granted.
     
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