Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

[Zigi Rizla]

Watu povu litawatokeeeee mpaka mkome. Mbona south Africa bandari kuu ni durban lakini wana treni ya umeme joburg to Pretoria. Kwani lazima hiyo treni ibebe mizigo! !? Tutapanda wenyewe kwenda moro. ....na kwenye mashamba yetu ya mpunga ruvu. Na ole wenu mje kuomba chakula huku. Shenzi tym! !!

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praise team imeshikwa makende.

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[danja de genzo]

Na kwa vile mradi uko nyuma sana kuliko ratiba yake. Ni vema sasa mradi uka simamishwa na fedha zikaelekezaa kupambana na Corona.



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Kwani serikali imekuambia amna ela ya corona

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[Bantugbro]

People should learn how to ignore trolls...

The remaining piece of rail from the SGR mainline near the corner of Kilwa/Kilosa streets to Dar port is less than 3 km, if they will put double track to facilitate smooth movement of freight trains, then the maximum length won't exceed 6 km.

The issue has been exaggerated and blown out of proportion as if it is a national crisis while people on the field knows that it is just a minor extension.

IMHO this Work Package don't even deserve an international tender, it can easily be constructed by mafundi wa TRC wakisaidiwa na Engineers from TANROADS.

 

[EZZ CHEZZ]

Kuna siku naona naona utabisha kwamba sgr si ya umeme kwa sababu anayejenga transmission line ni tanesco na si yapi merkezi.

Huyu jamaa kavu kweli. Sijui nani alimwambia kuwa hicho kipande kifupi ni sehemu ya mkataba wa Yapi! Yaani kwa mtazamo wake anadhani serikali ilitaka kujenga mradi ambao pamoja na malengo mengine ulilenga ku-unlock potential ya DSM port.

Kwamba ilikuwa ni lazima kwanza kutangaza tenda/plan ya hako kakipande kafupi ndipo tuendelee na mradi mzima. Furaha yake kujiaminisha kuwa anajua kuliko serikali yote ya Tz. Bongo bana.

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[EZZ CHEZZ]

Mkuu crabat uko sahihi .
Watanzania walipenda sana kuwa na reli ya kisasa ambayo itakua Classic na with all amenities.
Sasa zaidi ya kuwa ni SGR kwa maana ya uwezo wa kubeba weight ya mizigo zaidi Reli mpya itakua ni ya kawaida sana.
Hata TAZARA ilo jengwa miaka 40 sasa ukiondoa uchakavu basi Tazara reli bora zaidi kwa huduma kuliko hii SGR inayo jengwa katika kipindi hiki cha maendeleo makubwa duniani ya technologia
Huwezi kufanya project kubwa kama hii mawazo yakawa ya mtu mmoja ambaye anawaza imalize kabla ya uchaguzi ili itumike kama kiki ya kampeni. Hapo ndio tuliharibu project nzima.
Tulinunua ndege hivo hivo..hatimae zimekaa miaka miwili bila ya kutumika ipasavyo. Ni Hasara kwa taifa.
SGR ni ukweli kuna major oversight wakati wa kuingia mkataba na YAPI tuliisahau Bandari ya Dar es salaam.
Hata route ya SGR kuipeleka Mwanza nao kuna walakin. Ukiangalia nchi zinazotumia bandari sana Bandari ya Dar in terms ya mizigo ya kwanza ni Zambia ikifatiwa na DRC then Rwanda. Uganda ni ya Mwisho na kwao Mombasa ni karibu sana na rahisi.
Kama tulikua na lengo ku maximize Kupata mizigo ya nchi hizo basi tungelekeza reli hii huko.
Baada ya kina Ztto kupiga kelele ndio sasa ipo michoro kuwa itaenda Rwanda.
Walikataa kuipitisha Kigoma ambako ingeunganisha Rwanda , Burundi na DRC.
Kisa labda Kigoma wako watu aina fulani wasio takiwa au sababu yupo zitto mpinzani !
Tukija kwenye SGR kosa jengine ni kuvunja Master Station ya TRL pale station na kuigeuza kuwa ndio station kikuu ! ya SGR
Ile sehemu ni ndogo sana eneo mi dogo na Station hii maanzo ilijengwa zaidi ya miaka 100 ilopita. Dar wakati huo kuna watu Laki 2 na Tanganyika 3m
Ukuaji wa population miaka ya 90 na 2000 tulishuhudia foleni kubwa na adha kila reli ya kati ikifika hapo au ikiondoka
reli ya kati ikifika eneo zima linahemewa na abiria wanao shuka pale. Foleni ya magari na mizigo.
Eneo lile ndio ipo Central Police ni hatua 20 tu ! .
Kutokana na udogo wa eneo Main station na Uingiaji wa Njia za Juu za reli ni wa kubanaa banwa tu na hatarishi kwa abiria.
Kwa waliofika Tazara Main station pale Mandela road wataelewa nini ya umuhimu ya Main station ya reli kuwa kubwa na vipi Machina wakati ule wali angalia ukuaji wa idaidi ya watu kutaathiri huduma na kukidhi idadi ya watu na abiria.
Mpaka leo Tazara main station inatosha kuhimili ongezeko la watu.
Bado sijafahamu kama reli za umeme kama hizi zinageuza vipi ikifika pale station. Reli zamani ikifika locomotive inafunguliwa na na inaletwa ingine kutoka upande wa pili .
Metro train za umeme hazina mbele au nyuma ikifika mwisho inarudi reverse kama ndio mbele.
Sina uhakika na hizi tunayo jenga kama nayo mfumo wake ni sawa na metro trains au la.
Kwa ufupi main station ni padogo haikidhi haja ya abiria sasa hivi wala future.
Main station inatakiwa jengwe nje ya jiji kwenye nafasi ya kutosha.
Tumefanya haraka bila kufikiria mbele.
Povu Ruhsa


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Acha kupotosha watu. Hakuna mahali ambapo plan imekuwa altered baada ya kelele za hao akina Zitto. Plan nzima iko open kwa route yoyote iliyotayari na ndiyo sababu negotiations na Rwanda kwa mfano hazijaanza leo. Sema wewe ndiyo umejua leo.

Pia unanichekesha unaposema stesheni kuu hakuna mahali pa kugeuzia treni! Nenda kasome kuhusu EMUs halafu uje uniambie London ingekuwaje ikiwa kila stesheni kuu ingehitaji eneo la "kugeuzia" treni.

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[EZZ CHEZZ]

Mimi nimeacha rasmi kumwelimisha huyo jamaa koz nimegundua ni wale shule tulikuwa tukiwaita machinoo.

Wewe ndo muongo wa kwanza ..kampuni inayojenga ni ya japan sio china...

Chapili..kuna mtu kasema kuna darja limejemgwa au haujui kusoma vizuri..kila mtu anajua kuna two lane road....

Tulichosema ni kwamba hyo flyover mpya itaacha nafasi kubwa kwa jili ya both NGR na SGR kupita chini yake au hujui kusoma maelezl mkuu

Cha tatu kwa akili yako unahisi kwann SGR haitaingia port...hata kama sio kwa tenda hii ya yapi merkezi kwan tenda zimeisha ...

Flyover ya gerezani..ni kwa ajili ya kuacha nafasi ya kutosha chini ili sGR ipite

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[crabat]

Huyu jamaa kavu kweli. Sijui nani alimwambia kuwa hicho kipande kifupi ni sehemu ya mkataba wa Yapi! Yaani kwa mtazamo wake anadhani serikali ilitaka kujenga mradi ambao pamoja na malengo mengine ulilenga ku-unlock potential ya DSM port.

Kwamba ilikuwa ni lazima kwanza kutangaza tenda/plan ya hako kakipande kafupi ndipo tuendelee na mradi mzima. Furaha yake kujiaminisha kuwa anajua kuliko serikali yote ya Tz. Bongo bana.

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Hizo ni njozi za kujifurahisha tu ukweli utabaki SGR Rail haikuwemo kwenda Port.
Mnazungumzia kipande utafikiri kipande cha embe.
Unachora mstari utafikiri ni rahisi hivo
Tume kurupuka sasa mbatafuta vipande.
Mradiwa reli hii ya kisasa wazo ilikua Kutoka Bandari ya Tanga ndio iende Mwanza kutega mizigo ya Uganda , ni pafupi zaidi.
Mradi wa kuanzia Dar port uende Mpaka Kigoma kwa ajili ya DRC , Burundi na Rwanda.
Sasa mipango imebadilishwa kwa kuwaza Mwanza mpaka tukasahau umuhimu malengo.
Mimi nasubiri baraste kipande kitaungaa wapi?
Mwanzo mlikuja ati bridge ya kurasini ndio sgr inaenda port. Tukawasomesha hio ni DART
Mara imapita chini ya Bridge,tukwambia hapo ipo reli zamani.
Sasa mnakuja na mpya kipande kitaugwa sijui mara ni rahisi kilomita 6
Kwa ufupi hakuna plan ya kwenda huko na reli iko 80% kumaliza .
Nakupeni challange kaulize wapi SGR inayo kwenda port itakutana na Main SGR ?
Ni simple question kwa simple answer..ngonjera hazisaidii


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Fig 1: Interesting railways external costs comparison.

Fig 2: Railways business models.

 

[Gangi Longa]

Acha kupotosha watu. Hakuna mahali ambapo plan imekuwa altered baada ya kelele za hao akina Zitto. Plan nzima iko open kwa route yoyote iliyotayari na ndiyo sababu negotiations na Rwanda kwa mfano hazijaanza leo. Sema wewe ndiyo umejua leo.

Pia unanichekesha unaposema stesheni kuu hakuna mahali pa kugeuzia treni! Nenda kasome kuhusu EMUs halafu uje uniambie London ingekuwaje ikiwa kila stesheni kuu ingehitaji eneo la "kugeuzia" treni.

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Kwani treni za EMU zinahitaji kugeuza?

 

[Zigi Rizla]

People should learn how to ignore trolls...

The remaining piece of rail from the SGR mainline near the corner of Kilwa/Kilosa streets to Dar port is less than 3 km, if they will put double track to facilitate smooth movement of freight trains, then the maximum length won't exceed 6 km.

The issue has been exaggerated and blown out of proportion as if it is a national crisis while people on the field knows that it is just a minor extension.

IMHO this Work Package don't even deserve an international tender, it can easily be constructed by mafundi wa TRC wakisaidiwa na Engineers from TANROADS.
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As if it's that easy, you dumb as hell. Naona uswazi uko Hadi port

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[Zigi Rizla]

Hizo ni njozi za kujifurahisha tu ukweli utabaki SGR Rail haikuwemo kwenda Port.
Mnazungumzia kipande utafikiri kipande cha embe.
Unachora mstari utafikiri ni rahisi hivo
Tume kurupuka sasa mbatafuta vipande.
Mradiwa reli hii ya kisasa wazo ilikua Kutoka Bandari ya Tanga ndio iende Mwanza kutega mizigo ya Uganda , ni pafupi zaidi.
Mradi wa kuanzia Dar port uende Mpaka Kigoma kwa ajili ya DRC , Burundi na Rwanda.
Sasa mipango imebadilishwa kwa kuwaza Mwanza mpaka tukasahau umuhimu malengo.
Mimi nasubiri baraste kipande kitaungaa wapi?
Mwanzo mlikuja ati bridge ya kurasini ndio sgr inaenda port. Tukawasomesha hio ni DART
Mara imapita chini ya Bridge,tukwambia hapo ipo reli zamani.
Sasa mnakuja na mpya kipande kitaugwa sijui mara ni rahisi kilomita 6
Kwa ufupi hakuna plan ya kwenda huko na reli iko 80% kumaliza .
Nakupeni challange kaulize wapi SGR inayo kwenda port itakutana na Main SGR ?
Ni simple question kwa simple answer..ngonjera hazisaidii


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[Chamoto]

Kupitisha reli chini hakuzuii kupitisha daraja juu.
SGR imepita sehemu nyingi ambako kuna barabra.

Ni lazima chini kuwe na nafasi ya kutosha kabla ya kuanza kujenga njia za reli zaidi ya moja.

 

[Geza Ulole]

The SGR Nairobi Terminal is a 15 000 sqm train terminal/station that forms one of two key stations (out of a total of eight) that make up the recently completed Mombasa-Nairobi Standard Gauge Railway Line.
About the Mombasa-Nairobi SGR
[via wikipedia]
The Mombasa–Nairobi Standard Gauge Railway is a standard-gauge railway (SGR) in Kenya that connects the large Indian Ocean city of Mombasa with Nairobi, the country’s capital and largest city. This SGR runs parallel to the defunct, narrow-gauge Uganda Railway that was completed in 1901 under British colonial rule. The East African Railway Master Plan provides for the Mombasa–Nairobi SGR to link with other SGRs being built in the East African Community. At a cost of US$3.6 billion, the SGR is Kenya’s most expensive infrastructure project since independence. The prime contractor was the China Road and Bridge Corporation, which hired 25,000 Kenyans to work on the project. The railway commenced operation in mid 2017.

Inside Kenya's Railway Stations: The SGR Nairobi Terminal

IS

smaller than both Dodoma Bus Terminal at 18000 sq m and Dodoma market at 16000 sq m, listen from 5 min.

 

[EZZ CHEZZ]

Kwani treni za EMU zinahitaji kugeuza?

Jamaa alikuwa na knowledge gap kidogo. Nadhani now keshazisoma.

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[makaveli10]

Mnapata faida gani kusema uongo ? Mna ijua hio kurasini au mna kariri tu kufanya siasa nyepesi ?
Hapa eneo la kurasini kilwa road kuna daraja la chuma ambalo ni jembamba. Kutokana na ujenzi wa Njia ya Mwendokasi phase II unao endelea kutoka mbagala hadi kurasini imebidi daraja hilo lina panuliwa lipite juu kwa ajili ya ma Bus ya DART.
Chini ya hili daraja kuna njia ya zamani ya train inapita. Hio hio inakarabatiwa kwenda port. No new SGR to port
Mukiulizwa hilo daraja kutoka port linaenda kuunganishwa wapi ? Na soko la kariakoo ?
Wacheni Uongo .
Aliepewa tenda kujenga SGR ni kampuni ya YAPI Merkezi. Hilo daraja linajengwa na kampuni ya China CCCECC
Stop misleading the public. Kama Reli itafika Port sawa itafika but sio on this Yapi Agreement.


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Kwani mzee al muhimu si sgr ifike bandari au!?

 

[Kifaru_07]

The SGR Nairobi Terminal is a 15 000 sqm train terminal/station that forms one of two key stations (out of a total of eight) that make up the recently completed Mombasa-Nairobi Standard Gauge Railway Line.
About the Mombasa-Nairobi SGR
[via wikipedia]
The Mombasa–Nairobi Standard Gauge Railway is a standard-gauge railway (SGR) in Kenya that connects the large Indian Ocean city of Mombasa with Nairobi, the country’s capital and largest city. This SGR runs parallel to the defunct, narrow-gauge Uganda Railway that was completed in 1901 under British colonial rule. The East African Railway Master Plan provides for the Mombasa–Nairobi SGR to link with other SGRs being built in the East African Community. At a cost of US$3.6 billion, the SGR is Kenya’s most expensive infrastructure project since independence. The prime contractor was the China Road and Bridge Corporation, which hired 25,000 Kenyans to work on the project. The railway commenced operation in mid 2017.

Inside Kenya's Railway Stations: The SGR Nairobi Terminal

IS

smaller than both Dodoma Bus Terminal at 18000 sq m and Dodoma market at 16000 sq m, listen from 5 min.

Are we comparing SGR railways or you want to include everything else in the 2 countries? Keep to SGR vs SGR

 

[Geza Ulole]

Are we comparing SGR railways or you want to include everything else in the 2 countries? Keep to SGR vs SGR

Just wanted dunderheads in Kunyaland to get to know Nairobi terminus is just a normal structure!

 

[crabat]

Kwani mzee al muhimu si sgr ifike bandari au!?

Ndio lakini hakuna sgr bandarini


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[crabat]

Kichuguu vs Mlima

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[Simon]

Kwani treni za EMU zinahitaji kugeuza?

hilo la kugeuza sikuiona ase.. nimecheka hao ndo type ya ‘reli inaishia dodoma’!