..that is expressed by most Kenyans who write about EAC.
..they would always question Tz commitment to EAC vs SADC.
hypocrisy comes in different colours
LeCroc,for now I do not think kenya is interested in its commitment with tanzania, TZ wants to apply slow intergration in stages, kenya wants a full integration, there are conflicts of interests. For now it is better for each to depart ways and commit themselves to other things
Muthaisu,like a lady being wooed for marriage so does Tz behave shida ni kwamba there are so many other ladies ready for this marriage! and by the way why always backbite your brothers when you visit Obama? are you the local kinara? mmmmm...me thinks that somebody has an inferiority complex!
Muthaisu,
..mmechagua wenyewe ICC suspects sasa mnaona shida zake.
..Attoney General wa Tz ame-propose kwamba kesi ziwe transfered to Nairobi.
..Our President, in his speech to the UN General Assembly, spoke in favour of Kenya.
..Now, it is Kenya that has a history of backbiting[sp?] other African countries; remember when Kenya was trading with APARTHEID South Africa??
cc Koborer, Geza Ulole
[h=2]Zuma seeks stronger ties with Kenya[/h]
PRESIDENT Jacob Zuma has intensified his efforts to smooth relations with Kenya, strained since the apartheid era when the African National Congress (ANC) believed the East African state did not provide adequate support to the liberation movement.
After attending Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta's inauguration last month, Mr Zuma held talks with the Kenyan leader on the margins of the World Economic Forum in Cape Town last week, where discussions centred on bilateral issues - a diplomatic euphemism for ironing out issues of contention.
The talks came after Mr Zuma had made similar overtures to Nigeria, where South African business has headed for 20 years, but where sound political relations did not always follow. Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan made his first official visit to South Africa last week, after Mr Zuma's visit to Abuja last month.
Former president Thabo Mbeki did not make a state visit to Kenya during his term, and Mr Zuma had not been to Kenya on a state or official visit since he took office in 2009. This had dismayed Kenya's political leaders as South African leaders skirted around Kenya while visiting Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda or Ethiopia.
At the weekend, Mr Kenyatta told a gathering of Kenyans in Cape Town that relations with South Africa were looking bright and that a third meeting with Mr Zuma was on the cards. "We agreed that we will meet at a more formal level, with appropriate ministerial delegations, to chart the way forward on a number of issues of interest to both countries," he said. "Issues such as trade and regional integration will be discussed."
A date for the formal Kenya-South Africa talks, where foreign relations experts say a binational commission may be created, will be set as soon as Mr Kenyatta's cabinet is approved by parliament, in line with Kenya's constitution.
This is expected to happen in the next fortnight.
It was significant that in their public comments at the weekend, both Mr Jonathan and Mr Kenyatta emphasised that African countries should see themselves as complementary rather than competition.
There has always been low-scale rivalry and tension between Nigeria and South Africa on the one hand and South Africa and Kenya on the other, African diplomats say.
This culminated in Nigeria and Kenya opposing the candidature of Dr Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma for the post of head of African Union Commission when the first round of elections was held.
It is understood the two countries relented only after Mr Zuma intervened to state South Africa's case.
Mr Zuma has held talks with several Southern African Development Community leaders over the past few days. Yesterday he met Lesotho Prime Minister Tom Thabane.
Kenyans are known hypocrites and always loosing out on diplomacy as they seek short term gains in the place of long time gains what a loser nation :-*Koborer,
..This news clip should give u a hint that KENYA had maintained relations with APARTHEID South Africa.
..There were state visits between Kenya and South Africa even before Nelson Mandela was inaugurated.
..U can start a thread to discuss the relations that existed between Kenya and Apartheid South Africa, I am sure there will be forumers who would like to contribute.
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Kenyans are known hypocrites and always loosing out on diplomacy as they seek short term gains in the place of long time gains what a loser nation :-*
LeCroc,
..Kenya's exports to Tanzania worth more than 300 usd.
..Where do you get the idea that Kenya does not need Tanzania anymore?
..data from credible sources show Kenya also imports goods worth around 200 mil usd from Tanzania, so our two countries need each other.
we got respect that kenya is not accorded with at international level! BTW u sound as if Kenya is Brunei while we feed u out of ur hunger every yearWhat did you gain by fighting other people's liberation wars other than your poverty.
Koborer,What did you gain by fighting other people's liberation wars other than your poverty.
Liar, last time i checked, TZ had refused to sell maize to Kenya under the pretext that she didn't have enough only to sell it later to some other country. We were going to buy it, did you think we were taking it for free? You guys will die of phobia for Kenyans. You really fear us. Just fence off your border with us using concrete and stay safe.we got respect that kenya is not arcoded with at international level! BTW u sound as if Kenya is Brunei while we feed u out of ur hunger every year
Koborer,
..Mozambicans, Angolans, Zimbabweans, etc are not "other" people, they are fellow Africans.
..I guess when u were trading with Apartheid South Africa u thought you were white.
cc Geza Ulole
So fellow Africans are not other people, ONLY Kenyans are. Hmmn! I see.
Liar, last time i checked, TZ had refused to sell maize to Kenya under the pretext that she didn't have enough only to sell it later to some other country. We were going to buy it, did you think we were taking it for free? You guys will die of phobia for Kenyans. You really fear us. Just fence off your border with us using concrete and stay safe.
we got respect that kenya is not arcoded with at international level! BTW u sound as if Kenya is Brunei while we feed u out of ur hunger every year
we got respect that kenya is not arcoded with at international level! BTW u sound as if Kenya is Brunei while we feed u out of ur hunger every year
what do u mean with that word? and what is ur opinion on other 4 member countries