EA infrastructure race: Trio opening up big lead


So, mr stupid now that its plain clear your lies have no place in these forums,you expected us too keep quite while you misinform people about the TZ economy, you have decided to bring excuses.

i see your kettle calling pot black., how big is Kenyan Economy? $200B,$2Tr?

go send your overdrive ego else where, since it's sad you can't stand having TZ beating you in minor issues like FDI and GDP growth.

your argument of small base doesn't seem to apply to China, as its beating UK in FDI and GDP growth, while its Economy is bigger?how do you account for Ethiopia beating Kenya with a bigger GDP than Kenya?all it leads to is your excuses are lame. with the economy you are either performing or under-performing. a GDP in tens of Billions of $s shouldn't even yap about being big enough to justify mediocre growth or lack of FDI, get to work, stop wasting time here, you are one of the reason for that mediocre growth.
 

UJINGA HAUNA DAWA. you compare yourself na china!excuse me. compare yourself to malawi.kenya haipo league moja na tz. the US and UK econ are older and deeper than china. the pace of growth may be higher in china but the econ spread can not much UK and US, the disposable incomes are still higher and will take China a long time to attain this level mr. know all.
Kenyan econ is bigger and dipper than all EAC countries. thats why your boasting of high FDI boils down to kenya contributing a big chunk to each EAC country. now go swallow a razor, yako ni vita ya kijinga bila facts not debating shinda ya watz wote ni inferiority complex, lakini tena hamna dawa.
 

So which league is Kenya in? last time i checked Uhuru was summoned by US same way our Vasco Da Gama was, the only difference between TZ and Kenya Economic wise is one country keeps day dreaming of being a super economic power while in reality it GDP is just minute even by poor African Continent standards. No body boasted of TZ FDI standards, i just helped to correct your wrong information which conveniently changed tone after being busted out. I thought you would hold your ground and keep insisting on your initial false claims.you keep changing posts to observations that keeps being wrong.

The only dude showing his complex is you with claiming about superiority no one asked you off,when you are superior people will notice you wont need shouting.

SO Mr. Goal post changer now it appears for you an economy to be impressive it has to be older.your history lessons are as short as your intelligence, if we were to compare country's economy age. Then US has nothing to do on China and so is UK, China was one of the world's biggest economies just before the end of the 19th century. Oh, you didn't know that, because apparently for you Chinese history started in 1960s.

Go read History, and you would realize China has been a Nation from 5,000 years ago while USA was a pile of trees and red Indians just 400 years ag😵h, you can't comprehend 400 years ago, that was when those Chinese merchants were roaming around the world with their impeccable riches, by the way they settled in Lamu and many east African ports, go read Kenyan History books you would probably learn of old Chinese traces, in your own country's coastal areas. You probably didn't know that.

I really shouldn't reply to the cheap rhetoric you spew out, but i hate misinformation as much as i hate corruption and human stupidity.
 

when your ready for a fact based debate utarudi otherwise arguing with a fool nobody will know the difference.tanzania narudia tena ni league ya malawi na wenzake. kama unaumwa na ukweli omba nafasi kwa gazeti.

no 2. rudi nyumbani kwa lugha ya kiswahili, sikuelewi. your trying very hard to use english and its so pathetic your whole paragraph is ending sounding like French. its making no sense.its torture trying to make out what you are trying to communicate.

let me make myself clear. kenya leads in FDI outflows in EAC. inflows from sister countries is almost zero. no.2. Tanzania leads in FDI inflows in EAC. no3. kenya is among the top source of FDI in tz, uganda, rwanda and burundi. no4. kenya has the most developed and diversified economy in EAC.
now bwana inferirioty complex. naomba upunguze pofu kinyuani, pumua na ufikirie kabla ya kuanika upungufu wa akili na uelewa hapa.
 
Kimweri,

..tuko pamoja.

..ila tatizo ni kwamba uongozi wa Tz uko too slow.

..halafu wanapenda vitu vibovu-bovu substandard.

..sijui kama umeona ule uwanja wa ndege wa Mbeya.

..uwanja ule uko kama godown.
 
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This is not the first time a Kenyan resorts to Hiding behind a Lingua franca picked up from his colonial master upon realizing that, he/she has nothing to offer on the table.

So, after getting schooled on Economics and history of your own country, you somehow believe you would come out on top on English?you must be funny, as this country (UK) has been my backyard for longer your age probably.I am not in this forum to be judged by how well i compose my grammar nor how a Kenyan who's only interaction with English is from his master could try and muster.As i probably once told a fellow Kenyan mate of yours, i stopped being proud of my English abilities about 30+ years ago, when i learned that Oriental languages, like Japanese and Chinese, offered me a better intellectual capacity than the likes of English, Spanish or Swahili,
I will not waste anymore time discussing my language superiority with you, you are not worthy of that.

First lie In blue, these data from the WB says a lot about the state of Kenyan Economy.
There is Kenya country level (sorry it seems you are dubbed "low income") those world bank cronies must not know Kenya is a GIANT.
Kenya | Data
and here is Tanzania's
Tanzania | Data

tell me between these two countries based on poverty % and GDP growth curves which one is looking better?

Back to your FDI argument am now getting used to your goal post shifting, But as Usual you do realise what Kimweri is going to do to you. EXPOSE your lies.

Second Lie in red, Kenya FDI investments in TZ were $1.5B, well, Kenya did not invest such amount in the past 3 years as per world bank data, as its entire FDI outflows are basically 0.0 percent of GDP or too small to care,the only place you would see the $1.5B figure is from a Kenyan Blog or a clear misquote.

Tanzania received an average of $1.7B FDI for the past 3-4 years Kenya can not possibly invest $1.5B of that amount. at any of these years, as everyone knows what the big investors in Tanzania are.and how can a country invest $1.5B and it doesnt show in any WB data?how can kenya invest $1.5B and not become the number one FDI source in TZ?since $1.5B is 88% of the total FDI received in TZ.

and here is your lies exposed.

Foreign direct investment, net outflows (% of GDP) | Data | Table

absolute Zero % FDI, where is the mighty $1.5B?to make matters worse it has been 0.0% for the past few years.this means if there is any FDI from Kenya its basically in 10's of millions,which is what you loud mouthed Kenyan think its what deserves to be mentioned as massive.PATHETIC. if you do not know in TZ our politicans call these moneys vijisenti, and such investments are made on daily basis by Tanzanian businesses in China, Congo, Malawi, Zambia etc.the reason TIC doesn't waste time mentioning them is because they are irrelevant.minute.

FYI Tanzania FDI outflow,ilicit is more than $900M, refer to mabilioni ya Uswisi here in JF, Hence Tanzanians actually loathe when much needed $$$$ get out of their country.

And please stop measuring some useless metrics for a "low Income" country like Kenya, FDI, outflow is a metric that developed countries use to associate investment activites outside their countries. this trying to emulate how an elephant poop will render your "as&** obsoletle.
 
JokaKuu said:
Kimweri,

..tuko pamoja.

..ila tatizo ni kwamba uongozi wa Tz uko too slow.

..halafu wanapenda vitu vibovu-bovu substandard.

..sijui kama umeona ule uwanja wa ndege wa Mbeya.

..uwanja ule uko kama godown.
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Nakubaliana na wewe, imagination kwa viongozi wetu haipo, pia ni utamaduni, watanzania wengi ni introverts collectively, hivyo vitu kuwa vizuri inaonekana ni "for show".

Nimeshawahi kumueleza kiongozi mmoja nyumbani kuwa bila correct exposure ni vigumu sana kujifunza kuhusu arbitrary things kama sentimental values za artistic beauty etc etc.

Ukitaka kuliona hili,mualike Mbongo kwenye opera,mtagombana mkitoka.

ukifuatilia majengo mengi KKOO ni kama maboksi flani hivi, yani hayana tofauti na ukanda wa gaza,bricks after bricks after bricks.hadi vyooni ni matofali kwa kwenda mbele, ya nini?nyumba ninayoishi, frame ya nje tu ndio imejengwa kwa bricks,hapa katikati wanajua wenyewe wazungu walichoweka But its durable and has taste.

kitu kingine, ninasikitika sana kuona hatutumii muda wa kutosha kufikiria kuhusu identity ya taifa kwenye hizi natonal monuments/buildings/projects kama airports. kuna uwanja wamejenga Zanzibar, ukimuuliza mtu kokote duniani hawezi kukujibu uko wapi.no one will take a photo at that airport as it doesnt stand out at all.sijauona wa mbeya, but can assume it must be very bad.

nilipita May kwenye BRT,yani vile vituo ni kama jailhouses au cages,hawakuweza hata kufikiria kuweka idnividuality kwa kila kituo?those could hav ebeen attraction centers for dar.i was in Paris last year and they had a great project to customise each subway station,it was very impressive.
 

cant waste my precious time reading this no brain argument from you. let me give a piece of real stuff.your inferiority complex will kill you.naupenda upuuzi unaoandika hapa kujariba kukimbia historical truths. napendezwa pia na ufahamu wako wa kiingereza ambao ni fedheha tupu ilihali ungetumia kiswahili ungejieleza kirahisi na kueleweka kikamilivu.


Kenya's GDP accounts for 40 percent of the region's GDP, followed by Tanzania at 28 percent, Uganda at 21 percent, Rwanda at 8 percent, and lastly Burundi at 3 percent.
[h=1]Tanzania, Uganda Grab Bigger Share of EAC's Foreign Capital[/h]
The list of Tanzania's top FDI sources would also be interesting for Rwanda as it features UK (23%), India (15%), Kenya (15), and Neth-erlands 10%, China 10%, USA 10%, South Africa 7%, Canada 5%, Germa-ny 3%, and Oman 2%
 


We have the opportunity of expansion, thats why we have 7% growth rate. Where is Nairobian based economy going to expand??
 

Clarification:
Before i go to the obvious let me put a mnor correction to one simple statistics that you conveniently skewed, share of GDP in 5 EAC countries is Kenya 40.47%, Tanzania 30.49%, Uganda 19.71%, Rwanda 6.84%, Burundi 2.49%.

And unfortunately for Kenya, TZ is growing at about 7.5% annually, while Kenya is stuck at below 5%,it will take less than a decade before you will notice that. the two GDP's are alike. And this is Tanzania with 28% currently living below poverty line as opposed to 46% of Kenyans living below poverty lines, so it seems that $444.1B GDP really isnot helping about half of your population, compare to less than a 3rd of Tanzanians. I keep repearing here, Kenya is nothing but a poor country. Saying otherwise is being in denial, which is not healthy.

Back to the main topic.

I like how when you are exposed for you lies you move the goal post to something else. SO now you have conceded that you do not contribute $1.5B of Tanzania FDI inflows, lame Kenyan, you are probably used to lying and get away with it.My final advice, don't lie when you see me in these forums.

here is another lie of your exposed.

from 2007 to 2012, Kenya FDI, outflows has never crossed $50M

2007-$36M
2008-$44M
2009-$46M
2010-$2M
2011-$9
2012-$16

From above clearcut Data it is evident that Kenya FDI outflows has averaged $25.5M a year for the past 6 years since 2007,

Tanzania received

2007-$582M
2008-$1.383B
2009-$953M
2010-$1.813B
2011-$1.229B
2012-$1.706B

Tanzania averaged $1.278B a year in inflows for the past 6 years since 2007.

if we assumed 50% of Kenya's entire miniscule FDI went to Tanzania, the Kenyan "Giant" FDI Inflow to Tanzania would be.

2007-3%
2008-1.6%
2009-2.4%
2010-0.06%
2011-0.4%
2012-0.5%

Kenya average is likely around 1.3% a year, for the past 6 years, so how does a Nation contributing FDI inflows of a no more than 1.3%, a majro FDI contributor to our country?what kind of Mathematics led you to believe Kenya's FDI inflows to Tanzania were even close to 15%?let alone deserve to be the 3rd biggest investor in TZ?this is what i call lies told for so long, people assume they are the truth. NO, THEY ARE NOT, and you sir and whoever is behind these lies knows that.

Here is the spurce from the UNCTAD, feel free to go to page 242.

http://unctad.org/en/PublicationsLibrary/wir2013_en.pdf


come again?

LIAR.
 


Do you read yourself?? Do you know what you're writing?? From the FDI outflow coming to share of GDP in EA. Post shifter as Kimweri said prior. Lets talk facts not abusive languages.
 
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Mr Liar,

Now that your lies have been exposed, where do you hide your funny face?

Tanzania FDI stock, inflow by end of 2012 was $10.94B, Kenya FDI stock, outflow, was $316M, so if Half of all Kenya's FDI stock, outflow since its independece ended up in Tanzania, your contribution towards our FDI inflows would be no more than 1.4%.

This whole Kenya is contributes a big Chunk to EA Economy is as big a lie as the Earth is Flat in ancient Rome. A pile of bullshit.

Go lie to your fellow Kenyans, do not bring your unsubstantiated lies here in JF, you really have no idea who frequents this place.

help yourself:
http://unctad.org/en/PublicationsLibrary/wir2013_en.pdf
 
Bulldog said:
Do you read yourself?? Do you know what you're writing?? From the FDI outflow coming to share of GDP in EA. Post shifter as Kimweri said prior. Lets talk facts not abusive languages.
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This guy is a serial liar,i have gotten tired of exposing their lies in these forums,its not the first time they are disseminating lies, i have provided him with UNCTAD report that tracks FDI of every country in the world, yet he is shouting for facts.

Even the GDP figures he provided had to be slightly skewed to increase the gap between Kenya GDP share to that of TZ, while in real facts that gap is narrowing fast.and will probably close for good in the next 6-7 years with current growth of TZ economy and underperformed of theirs.

he always shout of how well Kenya is doing, but never bring anything tangible to the table apart from some Kenyan writers opinions from a random blog, and they are pretty good at hooking themselves to places like Bloomberg as guest writers to prop up their country, while if you come back to raw data, things are now looking good.46% of their county-mates lives below poverty lines, yet they shout that they have a vibrant economy, while in TZ we never make noise about it with just 28% living below poverty line.
 
Ndugu waltham, now that your lies and misinformation has been exposed, don't fell shy to apologies to members of these forums, if you posses any form of manners in you.

Fellow Tanzanians, Kenya and Tanzanian are both very poor countries, its hard to comprehend how poor these two countries are unless you have lived in these so called "developed" countries for considerable times.

But, most of the times some fraudster Kenyans like waltham would paint Kenya as if all is merry there, i have been to Kenya many times, and all i have seen are minor differences to Tanzania,they are slightly ahead in many sectors due to having an open economy ahead of TZ, but that's about it. There is nothing "Giant" about them, and contrary to popular Kenyan driven Belief, they do not contribute to our Economy (as proved by World Bank Data) as much as they shout every time they get a chance, China, SA,UK, US,India, EU could have those bragging rights not Kenya. Sending $2M in investment across the border is similar to 2-3 Tanzanians buying expensive properties in Nairobi. Its non news. The fact that these wannabes would count $2M in FDI outflows, shows how desperate they are to portray an image that is just not there. Don't be surprised though, that's how most of them are. Cats who wish were Tigers.
 
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SHINDA YA MTZ NI MOJA TU, INFERIORITY COMPLEX SYNDROME AND WANTING TO PROVE A POINT PAHALA KENYA IKITAJWA. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU SOUND LIKE, A TOOTHLESS DOG BARKING WITH A COILED TAIL BTN ITS LEGS. ALL YOU CAN DO IS BARK, FOAM AT THE MOUTH, PANT AND PROVE NO POINT BY DENYING THE TRUTH.
LET ME REFRESH YOUR TIRED BRAINS. CAN YOU YOUR TIRED BRAINS AND FIND SOMETHING TO DO.
[h=1]Ethiopia, Kenya Maintains Top Two Position in East Africa in FDI[/h]
Ethiopia and Kenya have become top in the East Africa Region in attracting Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) in 2013, said the United Nations World Investment Report 2014.

FDI growth in these two nations has helped the region's FDI growth by 15 percent as a whole and generated 6.2billion USD, indicated in the report.

According to the latest UNCTAD report, FDI inflows into Africa rose by four per cent to $57 billion with Nigeria's inflow standing at N5.6 billion in 2013.
The report said only seven countries in Africa went above the $3 billion FDI inflow point. They are Nigeria, South Africa, Mozambique, Egypt, Morocco, Ghana and Sudan

Ghana attracted the most FDI projects at 50.5 per cent followed by Kenya at 40.1 per cent. Uganda registered a 20.1 per cent increase in FDIs while Tanzania recorded a 22.8 per cent rise.

Over all, the number of FDI projects in Rwanda, Mozambique, Tanzania and Uganda were up by more than 20 per cent in 2013, the report indicated.


The UNCTAD World Investment Report
The list of Tanzania's top FDI sources would also be interesting for Rwanda as it features UK (23%), India (15%), Kenya (15), and Neth-erlands 10%, China 10%, USA 10%, South Africa 7%, Canada 5%, Germa-ny 3%, and Oman 2%.
 
Wewe mkenya jifunze ustaarabu. Ukishindwa majadiliano huna haja ya kuanza kupayuka kama mwendawazimu!
 

Thanks for clarifying that we might be doing with a psychiatry case.


This is a FAT lie spread by Kenyan blogs,it's funny the Ethiopians themselves have worded it like this "Ethiopia becomes a growing hub for FDI in East Africa: UN Report"
They specifically mentioned "growing hub" not top FDI destination in EA because as a whole, Ethiopian FDI is just $963M"
I see you had to go and fetch Ethiopian and mash it into EA as well just so you look good,pole, it failed.and it could backfire in one of your argument as the leading GDP,in EA,since Ethiopian GDP is bigger than Kenya's, so while scrambling to look good from one position, you are exposing yourself somewhere else.stick to fixed goals.
source:Ethiopia becomes a growing hub for FDI in East Africa: UN Report | The Embassy of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia – Canberra Australia

FDI growth in these two nations has helped the region's FDI growth by 15 percent as a whole and generated 6.2billion USD, indicated in the report.
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Here it clearly seen the The report focused on growth percentages.Not on actual figures.but because you somehow wanted to save face you had to spend an entire weekend digging a report that backed your claim,and unfortunately you found nothing, so had to invent another metric.
And if maths have been a problem to you,i can clearly tell you that Tanzania contribution to that 15% increase is bigger than Kenyan's, even using your own data.


by projects here , you could as well mean number of individual projects as in 1-100 etc, as with kenyan philosophy, you probably ended up with 500 $1M projects, while TZ has just 30-40, multimilion dollar projects.clarify your numbers i will clarify my answers.dont hide behind generalisations.


So according to your FAT lies somehow, Kenya which has FDI outflows from it's country of $6M is a top Investment country in TZ?are you drunk or high?somehow Kenya conributed higher than USA,German, China and South Africa. Do you think Everyone here is an uneducated fella like you? i had already debuked these lies from you awhile ago,i have no idea why you keep pushing them. don't you have a tiny bit of shame in your face?
If half Kenyan's $6M FDI,outflows in 2013 came to TZ, you would contribute up to no more than 0.16% of FDI inflows in TZ.$6M is more like the kickbacks CCM fatcats get for signing a single contract with the Chinese. that amount a dirty politician in TZ called Chenge coined them as VIJISENTI.

UNCTAD Report:http://unctad.org/en/PublicationsLibrary/wir2014_en.pdf

Tanzania FDI infows for 2013 were at $1.872B, which was 30.2% of all FDI inflows into 11 EA countries namelly, Djibout, Ethiopia,Kenya,Uganda,Somalia,Mauritius,Madagascar(WTF UNCTAD?),comoros,Syschelles,TZ and Eritrea.
Kenya had just $514 which was just 8.2% of FDI inflows, in other words Tanzania and Uganda are the leading FDI inflows in a block of 11 countries around EA, at 30.2% and 18.4%.

Don't scream or start to curse, am using the same report you claimed to have put Kenya as a top investing country in TZ ahead of US,German, China and the likes.
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Kenya averaged 1.3% for the past 6 years prior to 2013.and for the past 3 years since 2010 to 2012 you average no more than 0.32% of FDI inputs into Tanzania.I am pretty certain you aren't even inside the top 10 top FDI contributing countries in Tanzania,based on UNCTAD data.when a lie is exposed gentlemen concede the point and apologise.which wouldnt be necessary had you been telling the truth from the get go.you Kenyan boys in these forums tell way too many lies for any smart fella to fail to detect.

Kwa wasomaji wengine, ukitaka kuona uongo wa hawa mabwana, pitia report ya UNCTAD 2014.nenda ukurasa wa 204 kwenye report (242 in PDF), uone mwenyewe jinsi gani hawa jamaa wamekuwa wakisema uongo mara nyingi hadi wameamini ni ukweli.

Report available here:http://unctad.org/en/PublicationsLibrary/wir2014_en.pdf
 
Yes, exactly Mkuu. TZ can do it as well. Why not?
 
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