Ab-Titchaz
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- Jan 30, 2008
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good one but that haiwezi kutuzuia kupongeza juhudi zao za kupambana na uchafu, na nina imani kwamba hata hili watadeal nalo pia
Mkuu inaonekana una spesho interest na kenya.... salute!!
Nchi za Afrika Mashariki hakuna yenye afadhali kuliko mwenziwe. Kote ni madudu tu.
Mkuu Gaijin...that's my point exactly.....japo nadhani Museveni kidogo katuzidi.
P.S.....whatever is happening in Kenya now Kikwete na CCM are watching closely japo tu wajifundishe how to manipulate a sytem for selfish gain. They did it with the elections and there is nothing the Tanzanians could do about it maana "it was within the boundaries of the Constitution"...Kenyan game plan since Moi days!
Hawa waKenya wana baraza la mawaziri kushinda hata la Tanzania. Na hiyo mishahara ya wabunge wao, ni hatari.
Waafrika kila kitu maslahi binafsi tu, hakuna mwenye uchungu na nchi kihivyo.
I usually call you Mwalimu... and kweli wewe ni mwalimu!!Mkuu Acid,
Nuff respect to you too. I welcome a mature discourse with folks like you and u r appreciated.
Unajua mantra ya JF ni 'home of great thinkers' and I seriously believe in it. That said tunajua kua Kenya has made big strides when it come to economic and social development hata hivyo the struggle is far from won. Kuna ile kitu inaitwa the '800 pound gorilla in the room' na in Kenya's case, it has to be dealt with before we start throwing accolades. Huyo mnyama ni Corruption masked in the cloak of Tribalism. Until this thing is tamed, then tunasifia mvuke tu na hamna jipya.
While at it, nataka nikutaarifu kua ile soo ya baada ya kura za '07 bado ipo na watuhumiwa (wanasiasa) kwa sasa wanzunguka nchi wakitembeza sera kua kabila letu linaonewa au sijui tunafukuzwa chama f'lani. Kwa ufupi ni kwamba in the near future Ocampo (prosekyuta mkuu wa ICC) atawasilisha kesi yake mahakamani na majina ya watuhumiwa lakini ukweli ni kwamba Kibaki hatowashika na kuwakabidhi kwa mahakama ya ICC. Kumbuaka juzi juzi tu Bashur alitia mguu Kenya kama mualikwa wa Ikulu lakini hakukamatwa japo Kenya is a signatory of the ICC. Then from there we will have stalement with 2 consequences, either the Kenyan image suffers an irreconcilable image damage or they will hold fort and do the needful.
Your guess is as good as mine.
Watch this space!
P.S.....whatever is happening in Kenya now Kikwete na CCM are watching closely japo tu wajifundishe how to manipulate a sytem for selfish gain. They did it with the elections and there is nothing the Tanzanians could do about it maana "it was within the boundaries of the Constitution"...Kenyan game plan since Moi days!
Ab, please engage me in a short discourse, Kenya as it is now is as a result of years of plunder, mismanagement, high level corruption, tribalism, political blackmail and patronage, this country has suffered in the hands of three tyrannical cleptocrats to date, we have endured it all from tribal clashes (remember Molo clashes, and the recent PEV?), to political assassinations and detention (J.M, Pio Gama Pinto, Munyakei, Ouko e.t.c). despite all this, one thing stands out and that is the strength and endurance of the Kenyan public.
The Kenyan public has greatly influenced how Kenya is being governed, we know we still have a very long way to go but we are far from where we were in 2007, we are making progress no matter how small and the ripple effects are starting to be felt in nearly all sectors of the government. In as much as you would like to dim our shine, you cant be blind to the strides that we have taken, the fights that we have fought and the pressure that we put on the government, the call for a new constitution which was started in the early nineties has already bore fruits, our eyes are now on corruption and impunity, we will deal with this and for once you will give us the props we deserve. long live Kenya.
PS- Its in bad taste to state, without any citation, that Kibaki deals in drugs and money laundering, you know better than this Ab.
PS- Its in bad taste to state, without any citation, that Kibaki deals in drugs and money laundering, you know better than this Ab.
I usually call you Mwalimu... and kweli wewe ni mwalimu!!
Ab... Mie nimeangalia shida za hawa jamaa (Kibaki na type yake.. zipo pote east africa); Kibaki did what he did (ku-sanction malipo) ili kufunika upupu wake mwenyewe... unfortunately he thought ni zile zama za kale za mawe
We have the same problem katika nchi zote tano ila nadhani ya Tanzania itakua mbaya zaidi kwani we had only one pact as opposed to Kenya. i happened to be in a forum Kenya na wataalama fulani, ni kama ulivyosema, ya 2007 hayajaisha na si rahisi kwisha unless wamalizane kabisa.
Kwa tanzania sijui itakuaje kwani hadi sasa bado dubious deed zinaendelea and scratch my back i will scratch yours is our religion... as opposed to Kenya ambayo tayari the can has been opened... I would say that mgonjwa jirani yangu at least wamesha-isolate tissues with problems na sasa zimeenda pathology department; sie bado tunamsubiri mama aamue kusaini fomu kwani mgonjwa wetu anaogopa sana needles and hupata nightmares sana tukimgusa na needles kiasi anaweza kufa kabla ya diagnosis
Ningependa sana kusikia kauli ya Raila on this... usisite kuleta update mkuu
G na smatta.... hiyo ndio africa bana, waweza kuta hata sie tukipewa tutafanya hayohayo madudu, its like our genes have permanent error in reading integrity codes and ethical notes
Thanks Mwalimu...
Smatta,
Discourse you asked for, discourse you get.
Kwanza kabisa who is the Kenyan public? In a society that is deeply skewed in terms of resource allottment, that is an imperative question to be answered if meaning is to be given to your statement....the strength and endurance of the Kenyan public....which you try and claim here has a say in how the country is governed. The people who have that say congregate around Mwai Kibaki and all come from one region in Kenya. They determine who gets what in term of the national cake and tokens are dished out as a direct consequence of loyalty.
Nobody is demeaning the strides made by Kenya and as a matter of fact I said it right there in my second post...what I'm hitting at is the leadership that lords over the masses and have this false belief that they are entitled to rule Kenya at all costs.It is these same leaders that we saw during the Tanzanian election, break diplomatic decorum by urging Tanzanians to vote for Kikwete.
Then u said this:
are you really serious you want to engage in that discourse because you have no clue whats going on in your country or you have your proverbial head burried in the sand? Why are you acting like you dont know why the Artur Brothers were doing in Kenya and who had invited them there? Dont you remember these mofos driving around in GoK vehicle brandishing badges stating the were deputy police commisioner or something like that? Don't you recall one of them was 'banging' Wairimu Mwai, daughter of the President via the PNU female politician from Othaya? Now can you see how your stupid President gets roped in this mess?...Dont think Kenyans are dumb people!!!!....they know this and more.
Now im waiting to see if Gitobu's dossier will be acted upon. It is squarley in Raila's hands and I can bet you he wont do jack about it, coz doing so will only end up at the house on the hill where the sleeping President resides.:bump:
Tichaz umeanza kuleta zile siasa zako za jukwaa na akina Adongo hapa JF, nakuitisha link wewe wanipa dosier ambayo haipo public.. just because the Artur dude was Banging (and he still is FYI) Wambui's daughter doesn't necesarilly link the president to the goons, yes they had been given high level clearance, yes they shi.ted in every security organ in Kenya but that doesnt link them to the man on the hill, we shouldn't forget who was the minister for security during those raids. we shouldn't be arguing like lay men without necessary credible sources. your comments are still speculative and in bad taste and you are obviously taking sides in Kenyan issues, your dislike for Kibaki clouds your judgment to many issues.
Just to let you know, the Kenyan public is every Kenyan who holds a voters card and is willing to fight for what is right for his country, the Kenyan who demonstrates when the government does something without considering the Kenyan people, the Kenyan who pays his taxes and monitors how public funds are being utilized, the thousands of whistle blowers in our midst, those are the Kenyans am talking about. those are the ones who play a major role in how this government runs, we are an informed lot.. though the disparity is high, we dont sit back and let fate chart the future of our country, we fight and die for it, and that is simply what differentiates us with you our southern brothers.