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Waingereza wanamwonaje Kikwete

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Sigma, Jan 27, 2012.

  1. Sigma

    Sigma JF-Expert Member

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    RichardBrunwick
    26 January 2012 2:33PM


    Tanzania's Kikwete is one of the most pathetic African leaders of our times. He is a peacetime leader for a country known to be one of the richest in the world in terms of natural resources, yet he leades the world with begging. Foreign companies have known Tanzania to be a free land in which you can go in and take all you can without being asked a question. I really don't get the mind set of its leaders especially their prsident Mr. Kikwete, a Muzungu worshiper. Having worked with the UNDP in that country for 8 years, I realized how inneficient and corrupt the country's leadership is. His ministers that requested bribes from BAE have never been tried despite the damning evidence against them. British TAX payers must stop funding this man's corruptin and foreign trips. His human rights record is horrible. Mr. Kikwete had no business of going to Davos to ask for foreign aid. Already his country is the world third leading foreign Aid dependant nation. He should be embarassed to say to the world that people are poor. His people living "hand to mouth " is his own is own ignorance and stupidity.That is hiw own problem, Brits are having their own problems he must realize that. We cant bankroll his foreign trips. He should make good use of his country's wealth. Instead of letting his corrupt officials and foreigners loot his country, he needs to think before letting himself be a global loughing stock. I read in one of the regional (kenyan) publication the mockery nature related to his frequent foreign trips. Palestinian, Haiti, Lebanon, Somalia and even Rwanda economies are more robust that of Tanzania. We must question the nations that welcomes this "Joker's" request for AID. He needs to be on a "no-fly" list so he can be serious. Hopefully the billionaires questions what he has done with the Money he has received for decades. The Arab spring should turn into the African summer and get rid of the Kikwete likes

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14344505




    LindaCroucher
    26 January 2012 3:50PM

    Response to RichardBrunwick, 26 January 2012 2:33PM

    This man did not deserve to be a head of state. He has no credibility. How can a head of state be bribed suits? We must write Downing Street and our parliament, and let them know that Aid to some of these african countries ought to STOP. nyerere the founding president of tanzania was a visionary even though his socialist policies failed, but he was a nationalist and a true patriot.
    Kenya, Rwanda, Ghana have seen far and are on the roll to economic dependence. Kikwete, and his chrony of rulling elites getting richer and richer. These people have no electricity yet the country has so many dams and rivers. There should be a policy to bar all corrupt leaders and their children from stepping into the EU.
    I dont blame Kikwete, i blame Tanzaians for letting this happen. They should be 100% responsible for their poverty and suffering. We just dont need them to come for Aid. We have many Brits out of work, and that money should pay for their Unemployment Benefit

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/14346120


    LindaCroucher
    26 January 2012 4:01PM


    African problem is more than foreign aid. They are not ready for economic transformation. In Tanznaia today, they have started the leadership inheritance in which the old guards passess on the torch to their children. we should not expect anything serious from African nations. If it means our money, lets cut it off. We have so many social problems to deal with people's own created misery
    because they will never have free elections without someone stffing ballot boxes and ready to let the whole country in flames as long as they remain in power and their children in top american and british schools

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  2. doctorz

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    Tell us something new not the things that he himself already knows.
     
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    Ver gud message,Tanzanian are illinformed and itis a planed process lets workup.as per marx(clas-stg)
     
  4. MAMA POROJO

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    mods unganisha na ile ya kwanza kwani tayari mada hii inaendelea katika jukwaa hili bila shaka huyu mwenzetu alikuwa safarini wakati huo tunajadili.
     
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    yaaaani wanatudharau sana,hvi jk hatambui kuwa jamii ya kimataifa imemchoka jamani???
     
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    ofisi za UNDP Tanzania imesema haijawahi kuwa na mfanyakazi mwenye jina hilo
     
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    mkapa mbona umekaa kimya mwenzio anadhalilika hvi jamani,speak something mzee wetu ,ni kweli TUTAKUKUMBUKA SANA MZEE BEN
     
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    Tanzania – Is UK aid fuelling corruption?

    Written by Sarah Hermitage

    Tanzania is the third largest gold producer in Africa and is rich in mineral resources. Despite its mineral wealth, it is the largest recipient of development aid from Britain and has received in excess of US$2.89 billion in aid (from all donors) in its 50 years of independence. It is Africa's top and, the world's third leading recipient of aid after war-torn Iraq. It depends annually on foreign aid by 45 per cent, receiving US$453 million for its 2011/12 aid budget under the umbrella of General Budget Support (GBS). Despite these massive amounts of foreign aid, there has been no significant decrease in poverty over the last 20 years and the country is lagging behind on key development goals for safe water, income and health.

    Such dependency on aid can be understood in war-torn Iraq, but Tanzania's dependence on foreign aid is surely difficult for DfID to justify. UK's influential cross-party Public Accounts Committee (PAC) recently criticized DfID's poor understanding of the scale and possibility of aid being lost to fraud and corruption. In the 2010-2011 fiscal years, DfID reported losses of £1,156,000 (0.016 per cent of total spending) which PAC stated to be unbelievably low. Even if the mechanisms for the effective administration of aid are present, it is inevitable that large amounts of DfID's money will go astray (and certainly much more than the 0.016 per cent). In Tanzania alone, senior official's estimate 20 per cent of the government's budget in each fiscal year was lost to corruption, theft and fraud (U.S. Department of State 2009 Human Rights Report). Assuming this figure is accurate, £130 million of tax payers' money will be lost to corruption over the next four years from DfID's £643 million aid budget to Tanzania alone.

    Corruption is endemic in Tanzania and a failure to effectively address it belies the Tanzanian government's commitment to upholding the rule of law, the quintessence of any successful aid policy. Former British High Commissioner to Kenya Sir Edward Clay states that in Kenya, Secretary of State Mitchell and his predecessors have ‘missed the warnings about the folly of investing in a government whose most distinctive characteristic was its endemic corruption' and that DfID policies have done little to address the systematic problem of corruption: providing an alibi for bad governance and doing little to ‘address a culture of impunity'. There is little to suggest the situation is any different in Tanzania (whilst it is acknowledged that Tanzania is aid dependent and Kenya isn't).

    The director of the International Centre for Tax and Development Research, Professor Odd-Helge Fjeldstad, observes that Tanzania is good at chasing donor money and argues that if efforts chasing donor funds were reduced by one per cent and redirected to increase local revenue collections, the treasury coffers could have increased. He highlights the negative relationship between aid funds and revenue collection. A recent study argues that if corporate tax had been paid on the 2010 revenue of Barrick Gold at the US Federal rate of 35 per cent, the monies raised would have been in the region of (Tanzania Shillings) TZS225 billion (approx. US$141,432,935.64).

    In evidence submitted to the House of Lords Economic Development Committee in August, Sir Edward Clay highlights poor governance as a common cause of the failure of development assistance to achieve its objectives. He states that chronic poverty and, above all, deepening inequality, cannot be overcome without confronting corruption in its many forms and recognising the debilitating effects it has on the institutions of a state. This view is shared by Saumu Jumanne, a lecturer at Dar es Salaam University who states that Tanzania is poor because of poor leadership and management of the aid and that only a trickle of aid reaches the targeted groups and sometimes even aid for orphans is misappropriated.

    Tanzanian writer Sebastian Sanga suggests Tanzania's political stability misleads external partners as regards the realities of democracy and the degree of correct resource governance. He highlights the difficulties of propagating good governance in Tanzania stating powerful and self-interested economic actors gain control over the executive department, to their own advantage, meaning that there are then enormous losses for the entire society.

    In light of such damning evidence of poor governance in Tanzania, it is hard to understand or indeed justify the contradistinctionary view held by the British government. DFID ranks Tanzania in the top 10 per cent of countries supported by British aid which has the potential to be most well used. Henry Bellingham, the British Minister for Africa recently assured Tanzania's Minister for Foreign Affairs Bernard Membe that Tanzania would remain one of the top receivers of UK aid as it was one of the few countries in Africa with an outstanding human rights record and good governance. A policy that denies the true state of governance in aid receiving countries provides a vacuum for the misuse of aid, fuels corruption and does little to promote sustainable development and relieve the lives of the poor.

    UK aid flows to Tanzania have increased from £111.776 million in 2006/7 to £146.045 in 2009 (SID 2011 Tables Index DfID) and are viewed by the Tanzanian government as a fait accompli. British lawyer Dirk Crols makes this point that African governments consider foreign aid as a permanent, reliable and consistent source of income providing no reason to adopt an alternative policy to foster and finance the economic development of their countries. He poses the question, if the only thing you have to do is to cash your cheques, why should you elaborate an economic-financial policy or planning in the long term?

    The late economist Péter Bauer drew an unusual (but increasingly accepted) correlation between corruption and foreign aid, a phenomenon he referred to as the vicious cycle of aid. Bauer wrote that in countries where governments, public institutions and courts of law are corrupt, both domestic and foreign investment is unattractive. Fewer investments lead to a reduction in economic growth and thus an increase in poverty levels. As a response, donors give even more aid which further feeds corruption.

    Zambian economist Dambisa Moyoclaims 50 per cent of UK aid will end up in the bank accounts of corrupt bureaucrats, in banks that are not even in the country where aid is supposed to go due to a lack of administrative infrastructure to allocate the money and efficient accountability mechanisms to oversee that the money is going to the right places. Tanzania has vast mineral resources and the means to develop itself; yet fifty years after independence it remains Africa's largest recipient of aid with the British tax payer being the largest unilateral donor.

    Halafu tunawabeza Waingereza !

     
  9. Abdulhalim

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    Kuna wazungu wachache sana ambao hawamdharau mtu mweusi, so I am not surprised. Kila sifa mbaya atapewa mtu mweusi. Hii sio kumaanisha kwamba Kikwete ni kiongozi bora.
     
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    mama porojo kama unafahamiana na watu wa ikulu wambie watanzania wamechoka na mwenendo mzma wa kutudhalilishia rais,mara suti,mara kubembea,mara hajui kwann watanzania maskin,linalouuuuuuma zaidi GHARAMA ZA MAISHA ZIMEPANDA HAIJAWAHI TOKEA TANZANIA TKA TPATE UHURU JAMANI
     
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    Mods.... hii thred tangu jana unaiweka kwa titles mbalimbali.... tumeichoka bana iondoe ni upandikizaji chuki tu huu!
     
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    Wewe Pumba angalia message kufanya kazi kwake maana yake nini ? Ujumbe ni real na mods msiunganishe acheni ilete maneno
     
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    Mkuu unajua uzuri wa wazungu wengi wao uwa hawaongei mambo kinafiki au kuficha hisia zao,hivyo walielezea ndivyo wanavyotuona,na hii habari ki kweli kiasi fualni ina ukweli ndani yake...
     
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    kukataa ushoga ndio iwe sababu ya kutunanga hivi. Richard mwenyewe ukiangalia picha yake ni kama shoga
     
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    ma porojo we kweli porojo hivi nyie wasemaji wa ikulu,nenda ukapike watoto wana njaaaa
     
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    Dont start, dont even go there - beware the boomerang, it has this nasty habit of coming right back at you! On second thought, how about this, Tanzania happens to be Africa's largest recipient of aid with the British tax payer being the largest unilateral donor!
     
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    1 - Je, unajua kusoma?

    2 - Je, unajua kusoma Kiingereza?

    3 - Je, umeelewa kilichoandikwa?
     
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    Haya maswali kamuulize mkeo, kama unaona post huielewi uliza usaidiwe au simply ipotezee.
     
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    Noma kweli rais wa nchi kusemwa hivi
     
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