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Vibibi vya Kizungu na vijana wa Kikenya!

Discussion in 'Mahusiano, mapenzi, urafiki' started by Game Theory, Nov 28, 2007.

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    Game Theory JF-Expert Member

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    MOMBASA, Kenya (Reuters) - Bethan, 56, lives in southern England on the same street as best friend Allie, 64.

    They are on their first holiday to Kenya, a country they say is "just full of big young boys who like us older girls."

    Hard figures are difficult to come by, but local people on the coast estimate that as many as one in five single women visiting from rich countries are in search of sex.

    Allie and Bethan -- who both declined to give their full names -- said they planned to spend a whole month touring Kenya's palm-fringed beaches. They would do well to avoid the country's tourism officials.

    "It's not evil," said Jake Grieves-Cook, chairman of the Kenya Tourist Board, when asked about the practice of older rich women traveling for sex with young Kenyan men.

    "But it's certainly something we frown upon."
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    Also, the health risks are stark in a country with an AIDS prevalence of 6.9 percent. Although condom use can only be guessed at, Julia Davidson, an academic at Nottingham University who writes on sex tourism, said that in the course of her research she had met women who shunned condoms -- finding them too "businesslike" for their exotic fantasies.

    The white beaches of the Indian Ocean coast stretched before the friends as they both walked arm-in-arm with young African men, Allie resting her white haired-head on the shoulder of her companion, a six-foot-four 23-year-old from the Maasai tribe.

    He wore new sunglasses he said were a gift from her.

    "We both get something we want -- where's the negative?" Allie asked in a bar later, nursing a strong, golden cocktail.

    She was still wearing her bikini top, having just pulled on a pair of jeans and a necklace of traditional African beads.

    Bethan sipped the same local drink: a powerful mix of honey, fresh limes and vodka known locally as "Dawa," or "medicine."

    She kept one eye on her date -- a 20-year-old playing pool, a red bandana tying back dreadlocks and new-looking sports shoes on his feet.

    He looked up and came to join her at the table, kissing her, then collecting more coins for the pool game.

    "JUST UNWHOLESOME"

    Grieves-Cook and many hotel managers say they are doing all they can to discourage the practice of older women picking up local boys, arguing it is far from the type of tourism they want to encourage in the east African nation.

    "The head of a local hoteliers' association told me they have begun taking measures -- like refusing guests who want to change from a single to a double room," Grieves-Cook said.

    "It's about trying to make those guests feel as uncomfortable as possible ... But it's a fine line. We are 100 percent against anything illegal, such as prostitution. But it's different with something like this -- it's just unwholesome."

    These same beaches have long been notorious for attracting another type of sex tourists -- those who abuse children.

    As many as 15,000 girls in four coastal districts -- about a third of all 12-18 year-olds girls there -- are involved in casual sex for cash, a joint study by Kenya's government and U.N. children's charity UNICEF reported late last year.

    Up to 3,000 more girls and boys are in full-time sex work, it said, some paid for the "most horrific and abnormal acts."

    "PREYING ON POVERTY?"

    Emerging alongside this black market trade -- and obvious in the bars and on the sand once the sun goes down -- are thousands of elderly white women hoping for romantic, and legal, encounters with much younger Kenyan men.

    They go dining at fine restaurants, then dancing, and back to expensive hotel rooms overlooking the coast.

    "One type of sex tourist attracted the other," said one manager at a shorefront bar on Mombasa's Bamburi beach.

    "Old white guys have always come for the younger girls and boys, preying on their poverty ... But these old women followed ... they never push the legal age limits, they seem happy just doing what is sneered at in their countries."

    Experts say some thrive on the social status and financial power that comes from taking much poorer, younger lovers.

    "This is what is sold to tourists by tourism companies -- a kind of return to a colonial past, where white women are served, serviced, and pampered by black minions," said Nottinghan University's Davidson.

    "LIVE LIKE THE RICH"

    Many of the visitors are on the lookout for men like Joseph.

    Flashing a dazzling smile and built like an Olympic basketball star, the 22-year-old said he has slept with more than 100 white women, most of them 30 years his senior.

    "When I go into the clubs, those are the only women I look for now," he told Reuters. "I get to live like the rich mzungus (white people) who come here from rich countries, staying in the best hotels and just having my fun."

    At one club, a group of about 25 dancing men -- most of them Joseph look-alikes -- edge closer and closer to a crowd of more than a dozen white women, all in their autumn years.

    "It's not love, obviously. I didn't come here looking for a husband," Bethan said over a pounding beat from the speakers.

    "It's a social arrangement. I buy him a nice shirt and we go out for dinner. For as long as he stays with me he doesn't pay for anything, and I get what I want -- a good time. How is that different from a man buying a young girl dinner?"

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071126/lf_nm/...sextourism_dc_2
     
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    Katibu Tarafa JF-Expert Member

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    mbona ni mambo ya kawaida tu,tena ujihita mayoung lady,ukimwita hivyo bibi wa kizungu atakupa hata usichokitarajia.
    Brazamen hupo hapo,
    Naomba kuuliza kwani paka mzee hanywi maziwa ?
     
  3. Mtu wa Pwani

    Mtu wa Pwani JF-Expert Member

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    mkuu hapa unakusudia kuchokoza au vp mazee? hee hee wenyewe wakija patakuwa hapatoshi.

    vp mbona kule kwenye anga zako huonekani sana ?

    au mkuu afya ni mgogoro siku hizi kwa punyeto?(jokes)
     
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    MzalendoHalisi JF-Expert Member

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    Katibu tarafa,
    Umeniacha hoi kwa paka mzee kama anakunywa maziwa! Ila nami nikuulize- unamaanisha Paka Mzee Mweupe au Mweusi? Paka weusi naskia hawapendi maziwa!
     
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    Katibu Tarafa JF-Expert Member

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    Hapo ni paka mweusi,ni najua mweupe hunywa mpata anaingia kaburini,lakini usisahau kuwa kuku naye uhatamia mayai au gari kubwa vitairi vidogo yote ni ktk kutafuta maisha tu.
     
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    Game Theory JF-Expert Member

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    wakenya wenyewe wako wapi?
     
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    Mtoto wa Mkulima JF-Expert Member

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    Bwana hiyo ndio silica yao tuu hata ukiwa na demu wa Kikenya mtu mwingine akiwa na mkwanja anawasha tuu. Nilishakutana nao sana tuu nakumbuka University tulikuwa na Mkamba mmoja anatoka sehemu ya Mkueni aliliwa na nusu ya darasa kisa pesa. Duh hii kali.
     
  8. Kenyan-Tanzanian

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    Sio eti hatupo. Si kawaida ya waKenya kuelimisha watu wenye ufupi wa fikra bila senti.

    Utatoa hela ngapi wewe unaochuma kanisani au msikitini nikuinue kimawazo bwana mkubwa? Psychologists wengi tuu wamechambua mienendo za watu sampuli yako na wanakubaliana pakubwa kuhusu liitwalo "reverse psychology" Kimsingi saana (ili unielewe upesi nimevyokuelewa mimi)hii tabaka ya saikolojia imedhibitisha kitu fulani. Mtu kama wewe ni wa aina fulani ya binadamu ambao wakitamani kitu na wasiweze kukipata kwasababu 1 au nyingine huanza kukikashifu kitu kile adimu mradi tu eti wajikonvinsi kwamba hata hakifai simply because hawakukipata!

    Pengine bado unielewi. Hii hapa mfano ulio hai ili mBongo ikuingie ubongoni.Yatima fulani kiwete wa miaka minne hivi kaona tunda limeiva tena tamuu tu juu mtini. Ila kwajili kiwete na hangeweza ifikia ile tunda alipiga moyo konde na kujiendea zake huku akijikonvinsi eti, " Click..taak! hata kitunda chenyewe kibovu hakijaiva wacha na kitokomee bullshit!"

    Nimekusoma kwa moyo mkunjufu chifu. Ila kwa kukashifu hao vijana walio angaa na ubongo wa kutafuta lao wewe mbona unaanika live hisia zako kisaikolojia hadharani? ni reverse psychology au vipi?

    Halaf askudanganye mtu. Unajua siku hizi waAfrika toka kwenye nchi zenye umaskini mkubwa miongoni mwa wananchi wa kawaida silazima watembelee ulaya ndio wajionee mengi. Mtandao upo mazee. Nakushinikiza uwe mzoefu wakuchukua time online au hata boti hapo kivukoni Dar utembelee Zanzibar usiku. Utagundua hawa vijana waKikenya sio pekee yao kwenye kunengua viuno angaa wapate unga.Au ufukara ukakithiri sana hata Unguja na Internet zikawa kupata ni kwa taabu tu basi chapa miguu mpaka hapo Kinondoni masaa za wachawi ujiinue kifikra.

    Tanga ni vile vile na sijui unatangatanga au unapanga Bongo upande gani kwasababu posti yako hii kidogo kakangu mpendwa yaonyesha uBongo wako unalala.

    Naomba usome hii wosia kwa upili ina maana mbili.

    Shukran

    Heshima sio utumwa alafu jicho lilo tembea limeona mambo na hekima lishapata
     
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    Kithuku JF-Expert Member

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    Kenyan-Tanzanian,

    Nakukubali, uandishi mzuri na wa kuvutia. Hiyo habari iliyoandikwa kuhusu vibibi ni ya kweli, lakini miye nimeiona Zanzibar. Ninaye rafiki yangu tulisoma wote sekondari miaka ya mwanzo ya 80, ni mpemba aliyekulia Dar, kila mara tukirudi shule baada ya likizo ndefu(hasa tulipofika form 4) alikuwa anakuja na picha za vibibi alivyoviuzia "mpini" kipindi cha likizo huko Zanzibar. Na jamaa alikuwa anapendeza, enzi hizo dengriz na raba-mtoni ndio fasheni, kutokana na zawadi za hao vibibi. Nyumbani kwao wakimwuliza anapata wapi pesa anadanganya ameuza picha (na kweli alikuwa anajua kuchora picha vizuri sana na painting, tulikuwa naye kwenye darasa la fine art lakini sikuimudu hiyo fani). Siku hizi ana kijiwe pale Dar cha kuuza picha za kuchora na ushanga. Kwa hiyo haya mambo si ya leo, labda hawa jamaa wamechelewa tu kuzipata hizi habari.
     
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    Idimi JF-Expert Member

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    Kithuku,
    uko sahihi kabisa. Mie nimeiangalia habari hii kwa ukurasa wa pili, yaani sijaichukulia kama imetokea Kenya tu. Nimeangalia na miji ya Pwani ya Tanzania kama Bagamoyo na Zanzibar, na habari ni hiyo hiyo moja tu. Hapa hakuna cha Mombasa wala Kenya, huu mchezo wa kufanya mapenzi na vibibi vya kizungu upo hata Tanzania, katika miji mingi ya kitalii.
    Makala yangu ipo pale katika "Hoja Nzito", nimeandika kuhusu "Utalii wa Ajabu"
     
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    DAR si LAMU JF-Expert Member

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    ..acha kashfa na matusi ya kisomi,jibu hoja,kama haipo bainisha!

    ..brazameni alikuwa akiitia flava hii issue,kama umeisoma vizuri,inahusu vijana wa ki-kenya!

    ..kama mna ugomvi nae[it may seem so!],samahani kwa kukatiza njia!otherwise kulikuwa hakuna haja!

    ..asaalaam aleykhum!
     
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    Mbalamwezi JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu Mkenya,

    una pointi hapo, safi. Ni kweli kuwa japo habari hii inaongelea Kenya, lakini ni hali halisi kwenye miji mingi ya pwani ya mashariki mwa bahari hindi. Pengine hii inatokana na ukweli kuwa kuna kiwango kikubwa cha umasikini (au uvivu?), na ukosefu wa ajira katika eneo hili.

    Lakini ungeeleza kidogo tu nadharia hii, tungekuelea kupevuka kwako kwa kujibu hoja. Lakini sasa umeharibu kwa kutanguliza kashfa (nadhani ktk kujaribu kutetea taifa lako,) mpaka ume overdo na hata ukajisahau na ukaonyesha namna ulivyokosa hekima na busara kwenye issue kama hizi.

    Ulipaswa ku counter hoja kwa hoja, si matusi na kashfa. Nadhani ingekuwa live debate ungerusha ngumi...na huo ungekuwa ni ushenzi mwingine unaorudisha bara hili nyuma.

    Next time ficha upumbavu wako.
     
  13. Madela Wa- Madilu

    Madela Wa- Madilu JF-Expert Member

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    Umalaya ni tabia hauna uhusiano na kabila au utaifa wa mfanyaji.
    Aidha tangu enzi umalaya ni chanzo kikubwa cha income japo hakuna jamii yeyote duniani inayojivunia jambo hilo.

    Wote tunasema Marekani kuna Wasenge kwa sababu hawajifichi.
    Zanzibar Je hakuna wasenge? hasa pale viungani mwa hotel ya Naushad Mohamed?
    Mombasa je?
    Dar? Unamkumbuka Antie Muddy wa dar?

    Nisha sikia hadithi kwamba miji kadhaa Afrika masgariki kijana wa kiume anachungwa kama mwali dhidi ya mabasha vipanga kama mwewe.

    Umalaya mwingi wa nchi za kwetu unafanywa gizani na midomoni hausemwi, kwa sababu tu hausemwi midomoni wenyewe tunaona hauko.

    Kukataa au kuendelea kufikiri sisi miongoni mwetu hakuna malaya na wapenda ngono na kuendelea kuamini wao miongoni mwao malaya wako tele tena kwa asili ni wapenda ngono ni dalili moja kwamba bado tunapigania uhuru wa kujikomboa kifikra.
     
  14. Kenyan-Tanzanian

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    Next time mfunze yeye huyo kakako jinsi ya kujadili mambo. Eti alikuwa anatia mambo flava! Kwa kuikashifu kitundu nchi ya wengine. Hautakiwi uwe ulisoma Kenya iliuijue nadharia za Carl Jung na mwalimuye Freud kuhus personality na topik ndogo chini yake ya reverse psychology. Mtandao upo na kama kalala mwalimu nani akifunza chuoni shauriyake. JF sio lecture theatre.

    Yeye akitaka jua zaidi ili ajielewe na pengine wewe kwa manufaa yako basi mtandao eti ndio upo jameni. You guys need to learn how to live with positive criticism...sio kupayukwa alafu udai eti hoo sjiu hoo sijui. Heshimu wenzako na utaheshimiwa. Ingelikuwa mKenya amepitia kwenye jukwa la kisiasa hata tu kuwapa pole kwa ile blanda ya Muhimbili (operesheni duni ikaua Edward jameni na kulemaza Edward mwenzake) si mngelialia sana?

    You have to learn how to stop whining all the time and elevate yourself to what you really can be intellectually not what I am reading from you and your cheeky friends. Mmtalialia hadi lini? Hamna wakukubembeleza hapa. Aidha uwe focussed in your views au upeleke mischief huko huko uraibuni unakosomea matusi au kutukana nchi za wenyewe.
     
  15. Kenyan-Tanzanian

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    Shukran kwa email yako lakini nadhani ukakosea anwani...itume huko huko kwa mwenzako Brazameni....nadhani itamfaa sana. The problem with some Tanzanians ni kwamba ata mtu ateme mate kwajili ya homa pembeni njiani eti kwajili ni mKenya mtaanzakunung'unika "eee katima mate siateme kwao huko!" Wewe na huyo umteteae na huyu mwenzako hapo juu jameni msiwe wale nyani wenye hawajioni. When will you learn that rhetoric is the art of communicating by using language carefully, as well as figuratively?

    Mi nimechoka kutoa elimu ya bure bwana. Next time utalipa.
     
  16. Nyani Ngabu

    Nyani Ngabu Platinum Member

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    We ,kenya fala kweli wewe. Hivi unaishi chini ya mwamba gani kiasi hujui hoja hujibiwa kwa hoja? Nyang'au wewe
     
  17. Nzokanhyilu

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    Kenyan-Tanzanian, mimi nimependa remix ya swahili yako.
     
  18. Nzokanhyilu

    Nzokanhyilu JF-Expert Member

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    Umenichekesha mkuu. Mara ya kwanza naona kaka poa bongo ilikuwa New Africa hotel...Auntie Muddy anajizungusha pale reception anatukana amegandishwa kideti. Sasa mimi nikawa sielewi whatta blood claat a gwaan. Nilipoelezwa, ndo nikabaki nashangaa....hivi kumbe hiyo mambo ipo duh!!

    Anyways, mi naona hao ma bichi-boy wache wale raha, maana matatizo ya dunia mengi. So long hawamwumizi mtu, kwani ni raha tu. Kwa UK na nchi nyingi za ulaya, Gambia ndio inajulikana sana kwa biashara hiyo kwa nchi za Afrika.
     
  19. Madela Wa- Madilu

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    Wasichana wadogo hutembea na Mijibabu shaibu ya kutupwa kwa sabau ya NGAWILA.

    Sasa naona vijivulana vitanashati vinafunua gagulo za bibi zao na kujihifadhi humo kwa ukata wa NGAWILA.

    Kiafrika kulipwa na demu baada ya kutoa huduma ya Mwiba ni faida mara mbili.

    nakumbuka nikiwa A Level jamaa walikuwa wakienda opoa akina mama watu wazima, tena Vihunde wa nguvu, na kukata nao mtaa.

    Ukiwauliza vipi nyie vijna wenzenu hamuwaoni?

    Wanakuambia nikienda kwa kihunde wangu napikiwa msosi, nafuliwa nguo kisha napigwa tufani ya nguvu nikishuka mwepesi kizuri ni kwamba ukihunde wake namwachia mwenyewe.

    Mwenye mali akija anavungwa kwamba mimi ni mtoto wa shogake. mamngu na yeye walicheza wote enzi za utoto wao, kumbe fix

    Mambo haya ya kwenda sambamba na viajuza ni ya kale kama umri wa dunia.
     
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    WE Mkenya,

    Its you who needs to learn how to live with what you call positive criticism. After all, you dont seem to understand how to present an argument...but instead you jump into attacking personalities. Dont you see that almost everyone agrees that such sex habit is common in every beach township, including Tanzania? Yet you ask them to learn accepting positive criticism? If you were wise enough, you should have thanked them and argued from that point.

    But because you are such a naive and stupid brother, you have failed to hide your true colours and start yelling and attacking people unreasonably ...for a fella like you who thinks he is educated, that is a stink!


    You still seem to swim in the old and poor mentality that your English makes you a learned person...you are wrong.

    "You have to learn how to stop whining all the time and elevate yourself to what you really can be intellectually" Actually you do things reversely (Reverse psychology?), if you study yourself inwardly, and try to read between the lines, its you who is supposed to learn that!

    Your imagination is that such wise quotations have elevated you to somewhere important? By failing to understand that over 80% of contributions here on the sex tourism topic support your argument minus your filthy and poor language, You have actually displayed your poor thinking abilities and probably left most of us dissapointed.
     
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