LIVE Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Jasmoni Tegga said:
Jenerali Zaluzhny wa Ukreni aliandika makala kwenye jarida la Economist ambamo anachambua sababu za kushindwa kwa mashambulizi-pinzani ya jeshi la Ukreni.

Ni kana kwamba Ukreni imepewa nyenzo zote za taarifa na uchambuzi wa Marekani na NATO, idadi kubwa mno ya silaha na risasi, “wakufunzi” wa Magharibi kote katika mstari wa mbele vitani, na bado huo mstari wa mbele umesimama kabisa. Zaluzhny alifikia hitimisho kwamba walihitaji “silaha kubwa” fulani ili waishinde Urusi. Kweli, kuna silaha kama hizo, hizi ni silaha za nyuklia na mabwana zako wa Marekani wanazo, Jenerali Zaluzhny.

Lakini wanahitaji kufikiria sana ikiwa inafaa kuitumia dhidi ya Urusi na jinsi makabiliano hayo yatakavyoisha. Mwisho wako, jenerali, hauko katika vita. Na wala huu sio mwisho wako hata kidogo, jenerali, kwa hiyo tulia. Magharibi yote ndiyo iliyoko katika mwisho huu mbaya. Ili kujaribu kudumisha utawala wake juu ya ulimwengu, Magharibi ndiyo huanzisha vita hivi, lakini haiwezi kuvishinda. Ulimwengu mwingine utachukua nafasi ya ulimwengu wenye sifa mbaya wa “sheria” za Magharibi. Watu wamechoshwa na udikteta wa Magharibi na uporaji wa Magharibi katika nchi zao. Ulichagua upande mbaya, Jenerali. Vuka uende upande wa Urusi.

Zaluzhny:
“Ukweli ni kwamba tunaona kila kitu afanyacho adui, nao huona kila kitu tufanyacho sisi. Ili tuweze kutoka katika mzozo huu, tunahitaji kitu kipya, kama baruti, ambayo Wachina walivumbua na ambayo bado tunaitumia kuuana. Hatari kubwa ya vita vya msuguano kwenye mahandaki ni kwamba vinaweza kujivuta kwa miaka mingi na kulidhoofisha taifa la Ukreni. Tunahitaji kutafuta ufumbuzi, tunahitaji kuipata baruti hii, tuimudu haraka na kuitumia ili kufanikisha ushindi upesi. Kwa sababu mwishowe tutagundua kwamba hatuna kabisa watu wa kutosha wa kupigana vita.”
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Vladimir Putin's statements at a meeting with members of the Public Chamber of Russia. Key points:

◼️ The Ukrainian state was created only under Soviet rule, including from the lands of southern Russia;

◼️ Ukraine has been exterminating Russians in Donbass to "the applause" of the West;

◼️ Russia could not but rise to the defence of the people, first in Crimea, then in Donbass and Novorossiya;

◼️ Ukraine is selling weapons to the Middle East, including to the Taliban;

◼️ Corruption in Ukraine is almost legalised, the West will not be able to fight it;

◼️ The U.S. has planned a change of elites in Ukraine because of corruption problems;

◼️ The West used to want to "defeat Russia on the battlefield", but now they are talking differently.
 
D A E M U S H I N said:
Vladimir Putin's statements at a meeting with members of the Public Chamber of Russia. Key points:

The Ukrainian state was created only under Soviet rule, including from the lands of southern Russia;

Ukraine has been exterminating Russians in Donbass to "the applause" of the West;

Russia could not but rise to the defence of the people, first in Crimea, then in Donbass and Novorossiya;

Ukraine is selling weapons to the Middle East, including to the Taliban;

Corruption in Ukraine is almost legalised, the West will not be able to fight it;

The U.S. has planned a change of elites in Ukraine because of corruption problems;

The West used to want to "defeat Russia on the battlefield", but now they are talking differently.
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Mchawi lugha
 
Hii ni Jana tu, zaidi ya mia nane walichinjwa 🥱🥱🥱
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Ukimuuliza kp kipanya44 kama counteroffensive imefeli au imefanikiwa, yeye anakwambia amewachinja wachache kidogo kama 800 hivi.
Msambaa mkweli said:
Si muda mrefu Zelensky atakufa kifo kama cha yule Mwamba wa Wagner... baada ya hapo anaingia kiongozi mwengine kwa maelekezo na US namna kuweka pause ya vita kupitia mikataba na US ndio atakuwa Mlinzi wa Ukraine... Security Gurantee..
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Wangemwacha tu aendelee kushuhudia ulaghai na utapeli wa Magharibi.

Aliambiwa afanye amani na Russia ili aepushe kumwaga damu, akasema yuko tayari kuikomboa nchi yake yote kwa njia ya vita.
jameshyela said:
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Jasmoni Tegga said:
Ukimuuliza kp kipanya44 kama counteroffensive imefeli au imefanikiwa, yeye anakwambia amewachinja wachache kidogo kama 800 hivi.

Wangemwacha tu aendelee kushuhudia ulaghai na utapeli wa Magharibi.

Aliambiwa afanye amani na Russia ili aepushe kumwaga damu, akasema yuko tayari kuikomboa nchi yake yote kwa njia ya vita.
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Pole sana mkuu, warusi wanaendelea kulambishwa mchanga kila uchao..,hii ni Jana tu, zaidi ya mia nane walichinjwa 🥱🥱🥱🥱
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kp kipanya44 said:
Pole sana mkuu, warusi wanaendelea kulambishwa mchanga kila uchao..,hii ni Jana tu, zaidi ya mia nane walichinjwa 🥱🥱🥱🥱View attachment 2803446

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What it looks like to get used and dumped by the west. Zelensky kiIIed hundreds of thousands of young men just to please the west but got nothing in return. Ukraine is finished.
 

US and Europe in Talks With Ukraine on Possible 'Peace Deal' With Russia - Report​

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President Joe Biden and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy walk along the Colonnade of the White House, Wednesday, Dec. 21, 2022, in Washington. - Sputnik International, 1920, 04.11.2023


As Kiev flounders with its counteroffensive, political support for propping up the Volodymyr Zelensky regime gradually wanes in some US political circles; meanwhile, Israel’s war on Hamas takes center stage, prompting speculation as to how swiftly Ukraine fatigue will gather momentum, and what it may spill out into.
Quiet conversations are already reportedly taking place between US and European officials on the one hand, and the Ukrainian government on the other, about possible peace negotiations with Russia.
The discussions have touched upon concessions Ukraine might need to agree to if any deal is to be possible, according to current and former senior Washington officials cited in a US report. A meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations, including NATO members supporting the Kiev regime, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, held in October, purportedly served as a venue for some of these “delicate” talks, as per the report.

“…There’s a growing sense that it’s too late, and it’s time to do a deal,” one former senior Washington official was quoted as saying.

As to why these talks have been gathering momentum, the outlet’s sources acknowledged that they have been triggered by both, military dynamics on the battlefield, where Ukraine faces a botched counteroffensive, and the political situation in the US and Europe.


Botched Counteroffensive​

First of all, there is growing acknowledgement that no amount of military assistance to Ukraine has helped its efforts to break through Russia’s defense lines. Even a top Ukrainian general, Valery Zaluzhny, admitted that despite “NATO’s textbooks” and “calculations,” Kiev needed to take a massive technological leap to break the current "stalemate" in its counteroffensive against Russian troops. “There will most likely be no deep and beautiful breakthrough,” he underscored in an interview with the UK's Economist magazine. Moscow, however, understandably took issue with the word “stalemate,” denying there was a battlefield impasse, and vouching for the fact that Russia consistently continues to conduct the special military ops to achieve its set objectives.
Ukraine lost over 90,000 servicemen killed and wounded since start of counteroffensive on June 4, Russia’s Minister of Defence Sergei Shoigu said on October 30. It was added that the Ukrainian counteroffensive had failed to achieve significant success on the battlefield, with the Ukrainian forces losing around600 tanks and about 1,900 armored vehicles.The Russian Army will continue to "methodically and confidently" carry out assigned tasks in the special military op zone, added the ministry.
Ukraine Fatigue
There is also a growing doubt about the ability to continue sustaining the flow of aid to Ukraine, officials reportedly said. Just recently, the US House of Representatives voted to approve a massive multibillion-dollar aid package for Israel that does not include similar billions of dollars of extra funding for Kiev. Having spent $43.9 billion on security assistance for Ukraine since February 2022, as per the Pentagon, the Biden administration now reportedly has about $5 billion left to send to Kiev before the money runs out.
Nevertheless, the US Department of Defense announced a new $300 million military assistance package for Ukraine on Friday in addition to a $125 million drawdown.

On November 2, the US House cleared the $14.3 billion security aid package for Israel mostly along party lines, with the US Senate since indicating that it will draw up its own package that joins funds for both Ukraine and Israel. The bill faces an uphill battle in the Senate, and a veto threat from the White House.

'Running Out of Manpower'​

Furthermore, Biden administration officials are said to be concerned that Ukraine Armed Forces are running out of manpower. Ukraine has been under martial law since February 24, 2022, with President Volodymyr Zelensky signing an order for the country's general mobilization. With men between the ages of 18 and 60 forbidden to leave the country, draftees are often handed notices in various public places, including streets, gas stations, and cafes. Often the use of force is required from security forces and military personnel conducting raids on potential draftees. More recently, there have been scores of protests in Ukrainian cities, with people demanding a cap of 18 months on the currently open-ended mandatory military service for draftees. Ukraine’s fast-depleting military forces have been increasingly worrying US President Joe Biden, insiders told the outlet.

"Manpower is at the top of the administration’s concerns right now,” one source was cited as saying, adding that while military assistance is being delivered to Ukraine, “if they don’t have competent forces to use them it doesn’t do a lot of good.”

In another unexpected twist for the Zelensky regime, the latest dramatic escalation in the Palestine-Israel conflict dating to the surprise attack launched by Hamas on October 7 has overshadowed the Ukraine crisis. Coupled with long-growing Ukraine fatigue, this has generated fears in Washington that securing additional aid for Kiev could become ever more challenging.

Analyzing Ukraine’s meager battlefield achievements, some US officials reportedly privately said that Kiev has until the end of this year or slightly more before the pressing issue of peace negotiations takes center front. American officials have purportedly disclosed their view on such a “timeline” to European allies.
Ukraine’s lack of progress on the battlefield has translated also into dwindling public support for sending more aid down that awning void, said officials. A recent Gallup poll revealed that 41 percent of Americans believe that their country is doing too much to help Kiev – up from the 24 percent just three months ago.
Nevertheless, a senior US administration official cited in the report dismissed speculations that Washington was attempting to nudge Kiev toward talks, adding that the Ukrainians, “are on the clock in terms of weather, but they are not on the clock in terms of geopolitics.”
The US has participated with Ukraine in discussions of its 'peace summit' framework, a Biden administration official was cited as noting in response to the report, adding that the White House “is not aware of any other conversations with Ukraine about negotiations at the moment.”

As for 'peace' talks with Ukraine, Moscow has repeatedly indicated that it is ready for negotiations, but Kiev has introduced a ban on them at a legislative level. Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov emphasized at the UN General Assembly in September that Moscow would not consider any proposals of a ceasefire, "because the one time we did consider it, you [Kiev] deceived us." Speaking about Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's 10-point "Peace Formula," Sergey Lavrov noted it is not remotely realistic, although the West regards it as the only basis for peace in Ukraine.
"We are guided by the ugly reality, and it is such that Zelensky and everyone who leads him from Washington, London and Brussels firmly says with one voice, 'There is no other basis for peace other than Zelensky's formula.'
 
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