Kwanini Mwalimu Nyerere aling'oa reli ya Dar-Lindi, Mtwara, Nachingwea?

[Facilitator]

Jambo hili linapelekwa kidini tena jamani? Wana JF vipi? Hivi dini ni moja tu huko Mtwara na Lindi? Sina alama ya kufyonza kwa maandishi. Akchwale nimefyonza huu mwelekeo.

Kweli sasa mwelekeo wa hii topic ni ule wenye sumu sasa. Salisalum nimefurahi kwamba umehisi hivyo. Let's be objective bwana, haya tuyaache. Huyu aliyeleta hii hoja tumeshajua alichokuwa anaelekeza.

 

[Misterdennis]

Mkuu hata wewe ukifungua saluni kwenye sehemu yenye watu wenye vipara utafunga mwenyewe. Reli ya kwenda kusini ilikuwa hailipi kabisa

Haikuwahi kuwepo !!

 

[kinyambia]

mwenye mapungufu ana hadhi ya kuwa mtakatifu?

Waulize wanaotaka kumfanya mtakatifu ni imani yao hainihusu mimi na wewe. na isizoeleke kuwa wakristo wote ni wakatolic. Nyerere wakimfanya kuwa mtakatifu haimaanishi ni mtakatifu kwa kila watu wa dini zingine.

 

[MWEEN]

Reli ya Mtwara- Masasi-Nachingwea ilianzishwa na Waingereza baada ya vita kuu ya pili kama njia moja ya kuwapatia kazi ya uzalishaji askari waliokuwa vitani. Kuna miradi ya kulima karanga chini ya kampuni iliyoanzishwa iliyokuwa inaitwa ODC (Overseas Development Company) na ilimilikishwa ardhi kubwa sana kule Nachingwea na Kongwa-Dodoma. Mradi huo haukuweza kuendelea kwa sababu mbalimbali lakini ule wa Kongwa ulibadilishwa na kuanzisha ufugaji wa ng'ombe wa nyama kwa kuanzia na ng'ombe 1000 aina ya borani kutoka Kenya.

Reli ya Mtwara ilifungwa na kuchimbuliwa kila kitu. Nasikia yale mataruma yalipelekwa kujenga kile kipande cha Tabora-Kaliua (sina uhakika na hili). Yote haya yalifanyika chini ya utawala wa Muingereza kabla ya Uhuru.

 

[Nyunyu]

Nasema tena....Hapajawahi kuwa na reli ya Dar- Mtwara ni uwongo mkubwa...reli iliyokuwepo ni Mtwara mpaka Masasi iliyong'olewa na mkoloni kwa kutokuwa na umuhimu wa kiuchumi wakati huo....

Mkuu utapata shida tu kubishana huyu; isitoshe ni wa eighties!!!!
Kama haelewi utauma meno pasipo sababu!!

 

[Companero]

Reli ilijengwa mpaka Masasi(sio Tunduru) kwa jili ya mradi wa kilimo cha Karanga ili kutengeneza Mafuta ya kula Uingereza

"Next, the equipment had to be transported from the port of Dar-es-Salaam to the inland site using the only available transport-a single-track railway with a steam locomotive. Unfortunately, a sudden flood of the Kinyansungwe River wiped out the rail tracks, leaving a dirt road as the only means of transport. African workers went on strike and the British advance team was left with just one cook. They decided to settle in Sagara with George Nestle, a local hunter." - Tanganyika groundnut scheme - Definition

 

[Game Theory]

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

Nadhani hakukuwa na mjadala wowote kuhusu uwepo wa "reli Mtwara".. mjadala ulikuwa kwenye reli iliyong'olewa na ushahidi wa hizi picha unaonesha kuwa reli haziikung'olewa bado zipo. Swali ni kwanini Serikali ya CCM haijatengeneza hizi reli na kuunganisha Mtwara na Dar-es-Salaam?

SR, inabidi tuwabane hawa watu watoe majibu maana kati ya masuluhisho ya kuunganisha kusini na Kaskazini ni ujenzi wa reli hiyo.. ila sijui inaweza kupita wapi sijaangalia topografia na jiografia ya eneo hili.

 

[Game Theory]

Nadhani hakukuwa na mjadala wowote kuhusu uwepo wa "reli Mtwara".. mjadala ulikuwa kwenye reli iliyong'olewa na ushahidi wa hizi picha unaonesha kuwa reli haziikung'olewa bado zipo. Swali ni kwanini Serikali ya CCM haijatengeneza hizi reli na kuunganisha Mtwara na Dar-es-Salaam?

SR, inabidi tuwabane hawa watu watoe majibu maana kati ya masuluhisho ya kuunganisha kusini na Kaskazini ni ujenzi wa reli hiyo.. ila sijui inaweza kupita wapi sijaangalia topografia na jiografia ya eneo hili.

Tatizo lako wewe umekuwa na ugomvi karibu na kila mtu. saa zingine unakuwa na point lakini sasa utaanza wapi?

lolote utakalo sema hata kama ni zuri watu watarudi kuleeeee kuwa wewe ni mtu wa upande wa pili na ni adui au hujalijua hilo?

sasa nakumegea....unajua baada ya RITES kuondoka nani yuko lined up kuchukua reli hiyo ya kati?

haya tena cheki na jamaa zako watakupa majibu halafu nadhani unajua who is fronting the project...

sasa minazi mirefu lini?

 

[Mkandara]

Mzee Mwanakijiji, Ahadi za Kikwete ni nyingi kiasi kwamba unashindwa kuelewa ataanzia wapi ikiwa ukaravbati wa reli yakati umeshindikana kwa miaka mitano iliyopita..
Haya soma ahadi hizi:-

Dec 3, 2010 - Transportation Minister Omar Nundu

Transportation Minister Omar Nundu has announced the government’s strategies to improve the performance of railway, marine and air transport, with a view to easing transportation of goods and services in the country.
The newly-appointed minister made public plans of the new transport ministry, which was spilt from the huge infrastructure development ministry, during his first-meeting with the ministry’s staff in Dar es Salaam early this week.
“There are many plans to restructure and improve transport networks,” the minister said.
He noted that the government through the Ministry of Transport, was committed to ensuring efficient marine, air and railway transport in different parts of the country.

Nundu said his ministry had worked out focused strategies to improve the performance of the Tanzania Railway Limited (TRL) increasing its capacity in the transportation of passengers and cargo across the country.
He stressed government plans to construct Dar es Salaam-Mtwara railway network and that a railway network project connecting Dar es Salaam (Tanzania)-Kigali (Rwanda)-Msongati (Burundi) was in the offing.

“The government,” he said, “was taking positive measures to strengthen and improve the performance of Tanzania and Zambia Railway (Tazara) Authority by revamping its infrastructures. The governments of the two countries were committed to changing the structure of Tazara.”
However, Nundu said the government would also speed up the construction of ports in different parts of the country.
According to the minister, the new ports lined up for construction include Mwambani in Tanga and Bagamoyo—under a project for the improvement of railway and port transportation systems from Tanga, Arusha to Musoma.
The minister also noted that the government was determined to expand the Dar es Salaam and Mtwara ports and construct docks at Mafia and Lindi ports.

Moreover, Nundu unveiled the ministry’s strategy to improve air transportation by expanding the Julius Nyerere International Airport setting up a new passenger building and improving its constituent facilities.
He said the ministry would evaluate the potentiality and capacity of the national flag carrier (Air-Tanzania) with a view to putting up workable strategies for attracting strategic investors for the airline.
The minister also cautioned the ministry’s staff to be responsible and accountable in executing and shunning corruption in the course of executing their duties.

SOURCE: THE GUARDIAN

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

Tatizo lako wewe umekuwa na ugomvi karibu na kila mtu. saa zingine unakuwa na point lakini sasa utaanza wapi?

Labda "kila mtu" ana ugomvi na mimi! Inabidi nianze kutafuta marafiki maana maadui nilio nao wanatosha kubakia maisha yangu yote.

sasa nakumegea....unajua baada ya RITES kuondoka nani yuko lined up kuchukua reli hiyo ya kati?

haya tena cheki na jamaa zako watakupa majibu halafu nadhani unajua who is fronting the project...

sasa minazi mirefu lini?

To tell you the truth haijalishi nani anakuja; walioondoka waliletwa na serikali ya CCM na wanaokuja wataletwa na serikali hiyo hiyo sasa hatuna ujanja isipokuwa kuibana serikali hii hii. Au wewe huoni kuwa ni suala la serikali ya CCM na sera zake ndio vinahusika na hii reli?

 

[Maundumula]

Tatizo leno Chadema whatever Nyerere did was right, whatever Mkapa did was right lakini Kikwete na Mwinyi hapana. Kwenye hesabu zamani tulikuwa tunaziita step function

Its high time Chadema muanze kuamua moja kama mna attack CCM kama chama mshambulie chama au kama mna attack Personalities basi mjue chama chenu kitakufa maana tomorrow there is no Kikwete but CCM will be there!!!!

 

[rosemarie]

kabla sijacomment naomba evidence!

 

[CAMARADERIE]

Mjadala ni kuwa Kwa nini Nyerere aling'oa reli ya Dar- Mtwara. Ukweli ni kuwa reli hiyo haikuwahi kuwepo. Kulikuwa na reli ya Mtwara mpaka Nachingwea kwa ajili ya mradi wa karanga ambayo waliing'oa wakoloni wenyewe. Sasa sijui tunajadili kipi hapa? Ahadi ya JK kujenga reli kuunganisha Mtwara na Dar?....Labda

Hii picha haina reli bali hii ni ROAD FENDER

 

[Elungata]

Tatizo leno Chadema whatever Nyerere did was right, whatever Mkapa did was right lakini Kikwete na Mwinyi hapana. Kwenye hesabu zamani tulikuwa tunaziita step function

Its high time Chadema muanze kuamua moja kama mna attack CCM kama chama mshambulie chama au kama mna attack Personalities basi mjue chama chenu kitakufa maana tomorrow there is no Kikwete but CCM will be there!!!!

but WHY?kama si udini?

 

[Mwanagenzi]

Hiyo picha haina reli, na hilo jengo (gofu) lililojengwa karne ya 19 lilikuwa shule ya Wahindi enzi hizo za biashara ya utumwa, na mpaka sasa lipo maeneo ya Mikindani, mji mkongwe wa Mtwara.

 

[Shinto]

Tatizo leno Chadema whatever Nyerere did was right, whatever Mkapa did was right lakini Kikwete na Mwinyi hapana. Kwenye hesabu zamani tulikuwa tunaziita step function

Its high time Chadema muanze kuamua moja kama mna attack CCM kama chama mshambulie chama au kama mna attack Personalities basi mjue chama chenu kitakufa maana tomorrow there is no Kikwete but CCM will be there!!!!

Wakati sijui ukweli kuhusu reli ya Mtwara.

Kuhusu hiyo tabia ya kuchagua wa kumpenda kwa misingi ya dini WANAMAGWANDA wanayo saaaana.

In fact this ni moja ya viashiria vya UDINI ndani ya Chadema!

 

[Kikambala]

Ukweli ni kwamba reli ilikuwa inatoka mtwara mpaka nachingwea,ilijengwa na waingereza kwenda katika mashamba ya karanga,haikuwahi kufika tunduru.mashamba hayo yalimilikiwa na john mowlam.ambako kunaitwa farm 17,baadae mashamba hayo yalikuwa makambi ya wapigania uhuru wa msumbiji,kwa sasa nadhani yatakuwa ni mali ya jwtz

 

[HAZOLE]

umehamisha mashambulizi kwa nyerere sasa sio?

Pathetic!!!!

kumbe hapa mnashambulia watu. Napita. Shit

 

[Ziada Mwana]

Alikuwa hataki wamakonde (aka watani zangu) waendelee kiuchumi.[/QUOTE]

Mtani usimpambanishe nyerere na wamakonde,tunamheshimu sana nyerere,ametujengea heshima sana nyumbani Msumbiji,ametusaidia sana.tutamkumbuka daima.Suala la reli ni vizuri kupata historia kwa undani zaidi na si gu tabiri.hiyo reli ilianzia mtwara hadi Nachingwea. zipo kumbukumbu zake mfano kijiji cha stesheni huko Nachingwea.utakumbuka kuwa hadi miaka ya 80 nchi ya msumbiji bado ilikuwa vitani.tangu vita vya mreno hadi vya Renamo.(RNM) mikoa ya kusini bado ilikuwa haina amani kutokana na vita hivyo.Nyerere kwa wakati huo alikuwa na wasiwasi na mreno kwa kuwa kambi kubwa ya kupigania uhuru wa msumbiji ilikuwa Nachingwea - Farm 17. eneo zima la mikoa ya kusini lililkuwa ni eneo la kivita hata baada ya uhuru wa msumbiji sisi tunaoishi mpakani kule Ruvuma maeneo ya mpombe,Chimika na Mtambaswala tulikuwa tunaamini kuwa siku na wakati wowote waasi wa msumbiji wa Renamo wangeweza kutuvamia.basi nyerere kwa wakati huo kwanza aliona si wakati muafaka wa kujenga barabara na hata reli ile alihisi kuwa itawapa nafasi maadui kuivamia Nachingwea ambayo ilikuwa ndio base kubwa ya kijeshi kuliko yoyote ukanda wa kusini na kusini mwa Afrika katika kupigania uhuru. hivyo ikaifanya kusini kuwa base ya kivita kwa nchi za Msumbiji,Zimbabwe na hata Angola.nia yake ilikuwa ni kuilinda Tanzania isiweze kuvamiwa ki rahisi na mreno.kumbuka Newala ilishawahi kupigwa na ndege za kivita za mreno, mwaka 1972 hakumbuki tarehe lakini kijiji cha Chikolopola - Newala nacho kilipigwa kwa ndege za mreno(source Baba yangu- mstaafu TPDF). huo ni mfano tu kuona jinsi Nyerere alivyokuwa na hofu ya kuweka miundombinu muhimu kusini.lakini baada ya mabo kuwa sawa si mnaona jinsi nyerere alivyokuwa makini na mikoa ya kusini? mkataba wa daraja la umoja (kubwa kuliko yote Tanzanai na East afrika - limekamilika na tunapeta)barabara ya Dar- Lindi - Mingoyo imebaki km 60 tu nazo zinatusumbua kutokana na Landscape yake kuwa mbaya,hatumlaumu mtu,tunapaona jinsi palivyo.kuhusu uchumi mikoa ya kusini ina uchumi mkubwa tu na nyerere anajua hilo. Tunazalisha karanga kwa wingi zaidi Tanzania kuliko mikoa mingine,mpinzani wetu ni Dodoma,Korosho hatuma mpinzani na kwa sasa korosho ndio inafuatia kwa bei bora kati ya mazao ya Tanzania.Tunavuna choroko kuliko mikoa mingine nayo choroko ina bei kuliko korosho.sasa hivi kusini tunajitegemea kwa umeme (mnazi bay) na Tanesco wameanza kujiondoa mikoa ya kusini.umeme ni 24hrs.hayo yote ni matunda ya nyerere,ni vita tu ndio imetulet down. Hongera Nyerere,Mwinyi,Mkapa na sasa Kaka yetu Kikwete alie na Dada yetu.Membe anakuja.