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JF yawaponza wakurugenzi, tuwasaidie!

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Halisi, Apr 16, 2008.

  1. Halisi

    Halisi JF-Expert Member

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    Katika gazeti la Tanzania Daima la leo, kuna story, "tuhuma za ufisadi sasa zaimega Benki ya Posta" "maofisa watatu wasimamishwa kazi". Katika habari hiyo kuna maelezo yasemayo, "Kwa mujibu wa barua za kusimamishwa kazi kwa maofisa hao, uamuzi huo umeelezwa waziwazi kuhusishwa na taarifa hizo katika mtandao wa inteneti zilizochapwa katika webu maarufu ya JamboForums"

    Kwa maelezo hayo ni kwamba waraka uliowekwa na Invisible humu JF ndio uliozua kizaa zaa. Jamani JF inatikisa lakini tusiruhusu watu wakahukumiwa kwa kazi zetu, kwani itatufanya tupoteze heshima ya JF, lakini pia ni hatari kwa ustawi wa taifa. Uongozi ungefanya kazi ya kujibu tuhuma si kutafuta nani kawasilisha tuhuma.
     
  2. Field Marshall ES

    Field Marshall ES JF-Expert Member

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    Mkulu wasipokuja hapa au kwenye pm kuomba msaada hatuwezi kuwasadia, maana hatujui ni kina nani na tatizo liko wapi, na nani anyehusika vipi ukiwapa hiyo mesaage kuwa tutafutane, ndio ukweli unaeleweka lakini hatuna enough info on the ishu!
     
  3. Invisible

    Invisible Admin Staff Member

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    Can anyone of them contact me regarding this? Let them join JF or just send me an email regarding their issue and I will make a needful help on their matter.

    Inashangaza; nilikopata data husika si kwa hao wanaoonewa na ningeulizwa basi ningewasaidia kuhusiana na hili. Nafikiria kuuandikia uongozi huo na kuueleza kwa mapana juu ya makosa yao kuwasimamisha watu kazi kwa "HISIA" tu kuwa ndio waliovujisha siri hiyo (ambayo hawakutaka ijulikane).

    Ningewashauri wawafukuze kazi wafanyakazi WOTE kwakuwa barua ile imeandikwa na kundi la watu wengi na imechukua muda kukamilika! Inasikitisha lakini nitajitahidi katika hili. JF isiwe sababu ya kuonea wachache kwakuwa ndio wanaoaminika kujua undani wa issues flani.

    Anyone pls with an idea on how to solve this?
     
  4. Kitila Mkumbo

    Kitila Mkumbo Verified User

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    Too bad. I think one way is for the JF, now that it has officially been linked to their expulsion, to write a letter to the management of Posts Corporation stating categorically that the information that was posted on our website did not come from the staff. We can even threaten to reveal the names of senior officers in the corporation who leaked the information. We should state in the letter that the management needs to solve the said problems rather than intimidate their staff. Just thinking loud!
     
  5. Halisi

    Halisi JF-Expert Member

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    Naamini baadhi ni member humu JF na kwa kuwa watasoma habari ya Tanzania Daima, watawasiliana nanyo, lakini pia mutajadili vyema baada ya Tanzania Daima kuweka habari yao katika web
     
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    Tuandamane JF-Expert Member

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    Watz wamejaa uoga na unafki, hii forum kijiunga haigarimu chochote, slogan yetu iko wazi WE DARE TO TALK OPENLY, sasa kama wao wanafukuzwa halafu wanakaa kimya sisi hatuwezi kuwafuata walipo, waje hapa waeleze shida zao, cos at this point THEY HAVE GOT NOTHING TO LOOSE
     
  7. Kana-Ka-Nsungu

    Kana-Ka-Nsungu JF-Expert Member

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    You dont come to Jamboforums kama unaamini umefukuzwa kazi kinyume na sheria au kwa uonevu tu, these guys are directors and they know what to do and where to go. Tusianze kujilaumu hapa eti kwa kuwa tuliandika hiyo habari hapa ndio tumewaponza, it was just a matter of time tu, kama tusingeandika sisi wengine wangeandika.
     
  8. Masanja

    Masanja JF-Expert Member

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    HAWA JAMAA WAENDE MAHAKAMANI MARA MOJA. UONGOZI UPROVE NI KIVIPI WALIHUSIKA NA KUVUJISHWA KWA HIZO INFO. Hii kesi ni rahisi sana. Huwezi kumfukuza mtu kwa hisia. Jamaa wasiwe waoga....

    Ila viongozi ambao wako nyuma katika hii era ya dot.com, they are in deep trouble! Very deep. Au wapige marufuku matumizi ya computer... Ina bidi wajifunze enzi za kuandika barua na kugonga mhuri wa siri, zimekwisha! siku hizi anything can be wired from Dar to New York in a second! Wanajaribu kupigana na ukuta wa mawe! wataweza?
     
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    Ngalipo Upilike New Member

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    Tunaomba Jk Swala Hilo Alifatilie Kwa Undani Zaidi Kwani Kuna Mikataba Ya Muda Inayotolewa Ndani Ya Banki Hiyo Kwa Nafasi Ambazo Wapo Watu Ambao Wana Uwezo Wa Nafasi Hizo Lakini Hawapati Nafasi Hizo Matokeo Yake Ni Kutupwa Mikoani Tu Au Kupewa Ofisi Za Kusoma Magazeti!!!!!!!!!!!

    Kuna Imani Ya Kutokuwepo Na Ukabila Tz,lakini Kwa Benki Hiyo Kuna Ubaguzi Wa Kabila Zingine Na Kupendelea Akina Navalonge !
     
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    BAK JF-Expert Member

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    Hiyo barua pia iwekwe kwenye magazeti mbali mbali kwa sababu management ya bank ya posta inaweza kuikalia hiyo barua bila kuifanyia kazi.
     
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    Keil JF-Expert Member

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    Tuhuma za ufisadi sasa zaimega Benki ya Posta

     
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    KakindoMaster JF-Expert Member

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    Kitila

    Ukisoma Vizuri ile information inajieleza yenyewe Nafikiri kuanzia Leo Tanzania Kiongozi yeyote atakayekwambia anaweza kukomesha rushwa wee mwangalie na nyamaza tu.

    Hizi information zikifanyiwa kazi hata huyo aliyewafukuza sitegemei kama kweli atakaa hapo ofisini.

    Kinachowasaidia hawa jamaa ni chain tu ya kuwafikia wakubwa.

    Hao jamaa waliosimamishwa nafikiri wanahitaji kusaidiwa msaada wa kisheria haraka sana. Hawa jamaa wamewaweka kando hili tusahau. Na tanzania siyo TAKUKURU wala chombo chochote kitafuatilia suala hili.
     
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    Ogah JF-Expert Member

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    kwanza nafurahi kuwa hii ni publicity nzuri kwa JF

    Kuhusu ishu at hand inabidi tufanye

    1. JF inatupasa kutoa TAMKO na lisambazwe katika magazeti yote. (itakuwa PR nzuri kwa JF)

    2. JF tuuandikie barua Uongozi wa shirika husika,

    a.tukikanusha uhusikaji wa habari tulizozipata ya kuwa waliosimamishwa/fukuzwa kazi sio hao walioytupatia info.......................bali ni juhudi zetu wenyewe JF katika kuweka wazi baadhi ya mambo kadhaa yanayohusu serikali na sekta zake....yakiw amazuri serikali inapata CREDIT yakiwa mabaya basi hatua muafaka zichukuliwe.

    Nashauri
    waliosimamishwa/fukuzwa wachukue hatua za kisheria
     
  14. Njowepo

    Njowepo JF-Expert Member

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    Hawa watu bado wako na enzi za mwaka 47 yaani wafanye madudu yao nasi tukae kuwakodolea macho.
    Mambo ya kutishana kama watoto wadogo yanatoka wapi.
    Kampuni ni ya umma wanataka sisi ya nini ktk wizi
     
  15. Rev. Kishoka

    Rev. Kishoka JF-Expert Member

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    We do not need to write a letter to anybody. What we need to do is to continue to expose this chronic disease of corruption, ineptitude, inneficiency and non accountable attitude that is 200% imbeded to majority of our political leaders and technocrats who have been given mandate to lead and run our country, industries and corporations.

    This is a reflection of rotten system, from top to bottom and not the reverse as many claim.

    There is a delibarate strategy that is being done to milk out all the iddy biddy resources that we have because we are always silent and as good christgians, we turn our cheeks to get slapped!

    What we need is to collaborate with newspapers that are taking seriously their job to be the 4th pillar of good governance and democracy.

    Rather than publishing the story, the news paper should print the contract itself and let all people of Tanzania read what goes on so that we can fuel the drive for change and revolutionary minds that will resist to be corrupted sometime in October 2010 on a private room wwhen casting a vote.

    It is also high time that we demand from those who call themselves WanaCCM safi to step away from CCM. They should step away NOW, give up the parliamentary seat and ukada and join another party, be CUF, CHADEMA, TLP, NCCR, UDP, or DP, we urge you to defect so that Mtanzania atendewe haki na apate kufaidi matunda ya jasho lake na mali asili aliyopewa na Mungu.

    It is interesting to see that Rwanda and Congo have been able to defeat the extreme urges of corruption within its society and now they are focusing on good governance and corruption free and you can see the results. You can see Congo and Rwanda which have been war torn countries making steady leaps on universal development while Tanzania Kisiwa cha amani is drifting away from reality into world of darkness that is championed by cults and groups of economical mafias who have no fear of authority or shame.

    Our letter will not help the Wananchi to know that TPB is another resource for Mafisadi if the objective is to save the 3 suspended guys. Our letter and our manofesto should always to be objective and expose these devils who are merciless hyenas who are cowards to stand and defend our honor as a nation.

    Lets tell Tanzanians that money squandered through BOT, IPTL, RDC, ATC, RADAR, TRL and Ndege ya Raisi, was sufficient to build a midsize hospital and a secondary school in each district!, that the amount stolen is 20% more than budgets of Afya and Elimu collectivelly!

    Aluta Continua!
     
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    Mwafrika wa Kike JF-Expert Member

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    Amen!

    Amen!
     
  17. Mzee Mwanakijiji

    Mzee Mwanakijiji Platinum Member

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    Haya mapambano ya kifikra yanazidi kupata majeruhi...hii inanikumbusha ule waraka wa mafisadi; mwanzoni walianza kutafuta umetoka wapi badala ya kuangalia kilichomo. Nadhani wakati umefika waandishi wapige kambi kule Posta na kuwabana kwa maswali wahusika wote..
     
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    Ulusungu Member

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    ukweli ni kwamba wanatapatapa....bodi iliwasimamisha kwa maagizo ya CEO.wapi umewahi kuona bodi inaagizwa cha kufanya na mtuhumiwa wa taasisi wanayoiongoza ? Ilijulikana nini kitatokea kabla hata bodi haijaanza kikao.kinachotakiwa ni uchunguzi huru wa yale yaliyosemwa TPB NI MALI YA UMMA.Si mali ya bodi au mtu mmoja awaye yote...........hata wao wanajua na wanajuta jinsi walivyochemsha kuwasimamisha
     
  19. Richard

    Richard JF-Expert Member

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    Mkuu,

    Kwa suala la Rwanda nakuunga mkono kabisa kwani nchi hio kwa sasa ina hali nzuri kiuchumi na inauacha taratibu wakati hata bandari inatumia za kwetu.

    Kuhusu Congo bado nna shaka kwani Kabila kawekwa pale kama kivuli tu na wapo watu wanashughulika kuzidi kuchimba mali ya nchi hii ambyo kwa bahati ya sisi waafrika mali hio ya asili bado itakuwemo kwa miaka mingi ijayo.

    Congo ina diamond, gold, tin, copper (ambayo wachina sasa hivi wapo wanachimba)na urenium ambayo haipaswi kuuzwa kwa nchi ambazo zinajulikana kama rogue states ikiwemo Iran.

    Lakini nchi hii ina watu maskini wa kutupwa.

    By the way soma hii blue print" ya Rwanda kwa inayoitwa Vision 2020 kutoka kwa waziri wa Biashara, viwanda,uwekezaji, utalii na ushirika Professor Nshuti Paul Manasseh. Na hii ilikuwa ni 2005!

    manase.jpg

    KIGALI

    It is, largely, a two-pronged approach. First to lay down a 1,000-hectares piece of land to be developed into a Free Trade Zone at an estimated $200 million dollars.

    And it also involves laying out turbines to produce some 560 megawatts of power for only about $30 million.

    It is apparent that, stretching from DR-Congo in the East, to Burundi in the South, to Tanzania in the East and to Uganda in the North, Rwanda has the potential to tap into the regional market and position herself as the regional centre of commerce and industry.

    Hon Prof Nshuti Paul Manasseh, Minister of Commerce, Industry, Investment Promotion, Tourism and Cooperatives
    Mr Nshuti Paul Manasseh, Minister of Commerce, Industry, Investment Promotion, Tourism and Cooperatives , says they are not sitting back. He explains:

    “Overall, the ministry has been able to work in those areas that are crucial to the development of Rwanda. We have been able to attract investors in this country. We have tourism. We have been able to revive the cooperative movements.

    That calls for mobilising the people. We have been able to revive those movements for the good of the country. We have seen the growth of the construction industry which is a very vibrant industry, with new buildings constructed and building materials being produced. Of course, for a country that has just come out of war and out of a genocide, that high construction growth was expected.

    Most important we have been able to promote the country, what we call image building. You have to have a good image. You can’t develop the tourism industry if you don’t have a good image. Rwanda has been able to do that: to reconstruct and build the country as a successful tourism destination. That has to be done and done quickly.

    Roots of construction
    Well, first because much of what was there was destroyed during the war. That is one. Secondly, we have many returnees, many from Uganda, all over Africa and the world. They are returning and they would want to have a home here. So that has pushed the construction up. The growth can sometimes be alarming. Growth has to be regulated because you don’t want to constrain other sectors, you don’t want it to constrain financing to other sectors.

    But basically, returnees have been a factor. I think that is what happened in Uganda. Returnees bring back their money to invest in property.

    The second reason is that there has been growth in business. And there has been lots of office space. There are a few companies putting up structures here and there.

    Rwanda is a unique investment destination by virtue of our location. We, of course, are in the middle of a 60 million population. When you are in Rwanda you are not only talking of Rwandese, you are talking of the inter-land. You are talking of Congo, traders from Burundi, traders from Tanzania, traders from Uganda. So a company operating here, will take this advantage. And that has been one of our strategies.

    Then of course, we have local incentives we give to investors here including services like free land, free water, telephone. We have of course security. Of course, companies coming to invest here need to know that Kigali is secure. That has been an advantage. We have also got to take advantage of the climate. For agro- business, we have the best climate for them by virtue of our location.

    So there are so many reasons why we are attractive to investment. We don’t work like public civil servants. We come from a private sector background. We don’t know any culture than private sector culture.

    I think taxation is not a big problem as you say. Because we are under Comesa, our tax regime is not any different from the Comesa customs regime. Of course, every country has its own internal calculation of the taxes. We may not address many issues. But the tax policy is not bad; you know tax is not negative to the economy. It achieves so many objectives. It is not just a means of collecting money.

    So I don’t think that the tax regime here is highest in the region. Definitely it is not high. The problem, may be, is that taxes here are open; you can see them. Other countries have so many hidden taxes; they can be extremely higher. I can give an example, I don’t have to name some countries, they will say the rates of something are about 30 percent excluding tax. But when you calculate you find that Value Added Tax is may be 18 percent, others are may be about 10 percent. When you add all those taxes, you find the taxes so high. But for us we have no hidden taxes, may be we should also change this structure so that we appeal to investors!

    Certainly, we are doing something about tapping this regional market and making Rwanda a regional hub. We have a Free Trade Area– in fact it was passed by cabinet – we have a thousand hectares north of Kigali, which has been gazetted as a Free Trade Area. Meaning, you can bring goods from Kampala and sell them from there. We allow you to sell 20 percent of them in the local market and 80 percent of them in the export market, Congo, Burundi... So that is going to be our main target. We are determining the Environmental Impact Assessment. If we keep time, then before the end of this year we shall have it. We have a number of companies that have applied. But we cannot allow them until the Environmental Impact Assessment has been approved. But we are ready for that.

    I think the economic growth has been averaging 8 percent. And sometimes when you are small, you have an advantage because it has some challenges. First, because of prudent policy, the nature of fiscal policy, attractive investment environment...

    Rwanda is one of the few countries in the region where corruption is not a culture. There are few countries in the region which have the same attractive environment. There has a been a sense of security which has been good. We have created growth and certainty – all that helps the economy. But again investment from abroad and investment from returnees has helped the growth of the economy. They are bringing money back home.

    Fixing the power
    The power problem is always short term. We have lots of gas in Rwanda. We have methane gas in Lake Kivu. At the moment we import power from Uganda. But the line from Kampala to Kabale cannot carry more load than that which it currently carries. So we are looking at mini hydro electrical stations to boost the production in the first stopgap measure. But at least we have methane gas. And we are looking at 50 billion cubic metres of methane.

    This methane gas is a natural gas that replenishes itself. And that can produce – for many years — up to 560 megawatts of power. It is a big reserve, a big quantity. If you burn it, you can power almost the whole region. Of course, we have the hydropower dam. The power problem is short term. And every investor knows, you can set up an investment and within five or six months, power will not be a problem.

    An investor will see that as a short-term challenge.
    For the methane project, we are talking about 18 months. We just need to bring pipes, turbines and push them into the lake. So, it would take us, most likely, a minimum of 18 months.

    The turbines, the machines that uses the gas, is not as expensive as machinery to build a dam. We need just about $ 30 million, between $30 and $50 million, and we are putting in our own money – may be only 30 percent from a private investor.

    We have huge amounts of energy in the lake. It is replaceable. Putting up a dam would take us three to five years.

    We are yet to know how much power we will export. But in the short term, we only want to use it in the local market. But we can export to say Uganda. Right now, we are actually exporting to Uganda. I think, we supply to Kisoro. We export 5 megawatts. But we also import 5 megawatts from Uganda. So it cancels out.

    It is government policy that Information and Communications Technologies become a pillar of development. That means training of businessmen and businesswomen. We hope that in the long term, they will be transacting business through e-commerce channel, which is cheaper than transacting business physically.

    I think Rwanda per see had to take that choice. It was dictated by the times that we are living in. Globalisation means we have to take that choice. What happened is that Rwanda took the initiative to be at par with what was happening globally.

    That was a political decision by government. There are many reasons for it. Be it e-commerce, be it agriculture, be it education – there is no way you are going to tap human capital to make the engine of growth without tapping into the ICT. People have to be literate. And they must have the tools for development. Otherwise, you are left out of development.

    Rwanda’s broad agenda
    You could say look here, lets specialise. Because we have a computer, lets make this the engine of economic growth. But one has to look at agriculture, tourism, human development...when you look at Malaysia, or Japan for example – which countries have highly specialised – they have one asset: people; they don’t have coffee, oil...Rwanda in the short term and long term will of course develop the people, because it is the people who will produce the tea, the coffee all over the country.

    The idea to tell people to go back to school in the evenings is in line with this policy. Vision 2020 is the blue print of development and the Ministry of Commerce has a big role to play in that vision: trading, bringing investments – especially the regional investments, tourism and addressing poverty. Every stakeholder is involved in the development of this country. All those put together are part of this vision.

    Of course, there are challenges we find as we try to implement the policies of the ministry, like in any other country. The short-term problems have been power. But we are going to solve that soon. The other problem has been infrastructure. But we have been able to service the road to bring goods from Isaka to Kigali and that through Dar es Salaam.

    So infrastructure is also of the short term. Even human capital as we have seen is a short-term problem. So there are many challenges. But they are going away gradually.

    Never again to genocide
    Indeed what happened was basically because of divisions like you have in many countries. It is a phenomenon that politicians use for their ends. There is no accommodation.

    Politics is one thing as a cause of genocide. Economics is another thing. But you see, economics is used to enrich politics. Once you have good economic policies, the economy is usually good. People normally have problems if they don’t have anything. When they are hungry, they are easy to manipulate so that they can get something.

    If you ensure that everyone has something, they are not easy to manipulate. You don’t come and tell them to commit crimes because every one loses. But when they have nothing, that person becomes a problem to the country. So, we are trying to empower people through investments, through cooperatives. And that would diminish the political dimension. So we are using economics to gain political mileage.

    How we are going to empower the people is in Vision 2020. We are ten years behind the genocide. The most possible scenario is that we would have superseded all these projections. If we keep growing at this rate, the forecast is very, very good. It is not too ambitious.

    Tourism is part of our plan. By June last year, 8,000 people had visited. By June this year, that number had doubled to 17,000 people. That is more 100 percent growth.

    The problem with tourism revenue is that you can’t know how much a tourist spends on other goods. But it is a substantial amount. And don’t forget we go for the high niche. Not the back packers. We don’t encourage mass tourism because of environmental reasons. In terms of investment, it should be more than $10 million coming in. In future, we should have more than that.

    Haya ndio mambo sisi tunataka kutoka kwa kiongozi yeyote yule.
     
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    Jamco_Za JF-Expert Member

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    Huyu khwele ni mpuuzi anasema mambo yaliandikwa ni uongo! kwanini kawasimamisha kazi wakulugenzi kama ni ya uongo haoni haibu kusema amemsimaisha mtu kazi kwa mabo ya uongo, uongozi wake utakuwa wa kupitia mlango wa nyuma.
    Hizi taarifa ni za kweli ndo maana amepanic na kuanza kufanya mambo ya kitoto, huwezi kuwasimamisha kazi watu wote wale eti kwasababu information zileak alitakiwa kuziba palipoleak kwa njia nyingine lakini sio kutgoboa zaidi.
     
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