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Is Singularity a Possibility?

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Elimu (Education Forum)' started by Companero, Nov 24, 2009.

  1. Companero

    Companero Platinum Member

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    Disclaimer: If you are not interested in 'Political' Philosophy or 'Astronomy' and 'Theology' kindly opt out of this thread!

    According to Bluray, the singularity is near. Now before we even interrogate about that nearness let us look at the possibility of having such a singularity. This Blurayian assertion presupposes that there is a universality or objectivity out there that we, regardless of our multiplicity, can observe and thus agree on it as an absolute truth, that is, the truth and nothing but the truth. But our multiplicity imply our subjectivity. So how then can we move from such a multiplicity into a singularity? What is the probability of such a move in this world? In Christianity that possibility is open for those who believe in the Almighty who is Triune, that is, 'One in Three' (Trinity?) Could it be that our champion of Philosophy and Astronomy, Bluray, is talking about the nearness of this Messianic Epiphany?
     
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    Singularitarians believe that a technological singularity (the creation of a super-intelligence) is a likely possibility within the medium-term future. If I understand Bluray correctly, he is one of the few 'singularitarians' we have at JF!

    • A Singularitarian believes that the Singularity is possible and desirable.
    • A Singularitarian actually works to bring about the Singularity.
    • A Singularitarian views the Singularity as an entirely secular, non-mystical process — not the culmination of any form of religious prophecy or destiny.

    Singularitarians believe it is not only possible, but desirable if, and only if, guided safely(i.e. that deliberate action ought to be taken to ensure that the technological singularity occurs in a way that is beneficial to humankind)
     
  3. WomanOfSubstance

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    SMU
    Heshima kwako!

    Good try but can you put it clearly in your own words..if possible paraphrase so that we get sense out of it pls...
     
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    Yes, I somehow also believe that some day human beings will be able to create something more intelligent than human beings! Do you?
     
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    I am afraid not.
     
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    This could be the case Companero!

    He has been, without knowing, a sustainable reliable soul crusader of the 2nd coming of Messiah to the Earth...!, although he verbally denies it and calls himself an atheist, whom, absolutely he has never been one!

    To me, and automatically you, he fulfils the word in the Holly Bible (St.John4:24), which says..
    " God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth".
     
  7. Nyani Ngabu

    Nyani Ngabu Platinum Member

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    Nyie Miafrika, hivi hii mada haiwezi kujadilika/ kujadiliwa kwa Kiswahili?
     
  8. Bluray

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    The singularity is not a possibility, the singularity is an inevitability.

    Entropy and the second law of thermodynamic dictate that the arrow of time point towards complexity, once we have the ability to steer evolution - we are already in the early stages of this- then we will have begun the early stages of the singularity in earnest.

    I would say we are deemed to start a game changing paradigm shift by 2050.
     
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    I always thought this signature has to do with singularity of robotic manipulators .. kumbe!
     
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    Labda mwanzisha mada (Campanero) hajui kiswahili! kwi kwi kwi:)!
     
  11. Bluray

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    That is part of the core idea behind the singularity, the evolution of artificial intelligence to a humanlike or even better than humanlike form.

    A key part will be realized in conquering neural and quantum computing.

    Come to think of it, ever since the Alan Turing era computing hasn't had any real paradigm shift, it is high time.
     
  12. Companero

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    Scientifically, singularity could be an inevitability as Bluray insists. But I am more interested in its philosophy, theology and political economy. Politically, Familyhood, that is, Ujamaa, was one of the solid attempt at singularity. It attempted to bring a multiplicity/plurality of people, each with his/her own personality or even ethnicity, into a polity that was based on unity in diversity. Could it be that this is the singularity that is inevitable as the final stage of humanity in its development from barbarism, that is capitalism, to humanism, that is, socialism?
     
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    Socialism, with all it's positive aspects, is going to the dustbin of history. Man is simply too individualistic to have Socialism as anything other than historic utopia.

    That aspect of singularity invite some very scary possibilities, "Brave new World" types of scenarios where technology will solve some of our questions and basic needs but cause other equally central if not even more complex questions.

    Most basically, if technology will evolve without our help, how can we prevent chaos "I Robot" style? How can we know that these superhuman robotics will have goals compatible with our own? It is noted [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity"]here[/ame] that "Some machines have acquired various forms of semi-autonomy, including the ability to locate their own power sources and choose targets to attack with weapons. Also, some computer viruses can evade elimination and have achieved "cockroach intelligence." How can we be sure that we are not creating some Frankenstein monsters, taking the proverbial genie out of a bottle and never to be able to return it there?

    If we cannot guarantee the ability to prevent chaos (how can one program ethical behavior? We can't even teach kids to be ethical nowadays, let alone some smarter than human computer), should we actively promote and seek out an earlier singularity?

    If we will be able to conquer death, is it right and ethical to choose to live continuously and choke the planet?
     
  14. Ndahani

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    Second law of thermodynamics
    Heat generally cannot flow spontaneously from a material at lower temperature to a material at higher temperature.

    Lakini Refrigeration processes zinafanya kazi against that law using mechanical means!!
     
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    Ukiisoma second law of thermodynamics utaona inaongelea closed systems, pia inaongelea system iliyoachwa yenyewe bila kuingiliwa na foreign agents.

    Kimsingi, in a nutshell, hii law inasema katika closed systems entropy daima huongezeka tu.

    Ukishatengeneza a refrigeration system tayari umeingiza "work" na ingawa unaweza kupooza hewa ndani ya refrigerator, work utakayofanya kupoza hiyo refrigerator itatengeneza heat/ itatumia energy kubwa zaidi ya ile amount utakayopooza, kwa hiyo ukiiweka hiyo cooling mechanism katika closed system hiyo hiyo bado second law of thermodynamics itasimama.

    Mazee watu wanatafuta Nobel Prizes kui disprove hii theory wameshindwa.Kitu chochote kitakachofanywa kwa a considerably long time lazima kifanyike under this law, this law has the arrow of time ingrained in it.unless you want to use the probabilistic fluke observed under an uncharacteristic small time scale, au unataka kufanya experiment in negative time, the second law of thermodynamics will stand.You have a better chance of walking through a brick wall unscathed.
     
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    Mpemba's Effect can be used to disprove that Bluray!
     
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    Ngoja niirudie upya that second law and I know there are interesting things about it. But going through brick wall unscathed! Hiyo imekaa vipi katika second law?
     
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    Scientific observations and experiments, to be valid, are done under what the dismal scientist call "ceteris paribus". the Mpemba Effect is neither universal nor non-localized.

    Indeed I have pointed out exceptions to the second law of thermodynamics before in my earlier posts. iF you accelerate upward at 1 g in your elevator you can achieve weightlessness, but that does not disprove gravity is pulling you down. We must look at these exceptions in their right context.Before saying that "The Mpemba effect can be used to disproves the second law of thermodynamics" one should be well acquinted with the effect and be able to show how.

    In principle, if you can truly disprove the second law of thermodynamics in its core version - the irreversibility of entropy deeply entrenched in the arrow of time- you will be able to create the self perpetuating machine and rid the entire universe of all it's energy needs.
     
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    I am telling you that you have a better change of going through a brick wall unscathed - highly improbable but not impossible under the laws of physics- than disproving the second law of thermodynamics.
     
  20. Nyani Ngabu

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    Dude, can you invoke somebody else (Liafrika Tanzanian) other than this Mpemba guy...
     
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