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Babu wa Loliondo apigwa madongo mazito!

Discussion in 'Habari na Hoja mchanganyiko' started by Rungu, Jun 16, 2011.

  1. Rungu

    Rungu JF-Expert Member

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    Hii nimeikuta Kwanza Jamii.com

    Samunge Is Not It
    …But there are many reasons to promote a lie

    babu-wa-loliondo.jpg Babu wa Loliondo, Mchungaji Mwasapile, akitoa dozi

    By Pat Patten


    Before Samunge, each major hospital in the Arusha area typically saw two to three critically high blood sugar cases per week. They now see eight to ten a day. Diabetics, most of whom were well controlled and living otherwise healthy lives, went to Samunge to be cured. They are now going blind, suffering kidney failure, experiencing swelling in their hands and feet, and getting diabetic sores on their extremities. They are dying. They need not be. They will leave wives and husbands and children behind for no reason except for irrationally placed faith in an untested “cure”.

    A classic example is an elderly diabetic whose condition was well controlled with pills for years. Several months ago, he started looking quite awful. He had started overdosing his oral diabetic medications because the normal dose was no longer controlling his blood sugar. He did not consult a doctor, but had himself increased his dose to a toxic level. Using properly diagnosed amounts of injectable insulin – freely available from government health services – he would live a normal life. He did not want to use insulin. Instead, he went to Samunge. There, he was trampled by the crowds who hurt one of his legs quite badly. He had to wait in line five days to drink the cup. But he did; and he proclaimed himself cured. Except for his newly acquired limp, he absolutely looked better, no question about it. But what was the real reason for his improvement? He had stopped taking the toxic overdose of his diabetic medicine. So of course he felt better. He told all his friends about the “miracle cure”. His happy reprieve lasted only a short time. He has since been admitted to the hospital several times to try and balance his blood sugar. He does not tell his friends about this. Behind every apparent “cure”, there is a simpler alternate explanation.

    A more tragic example comes from a middle aged woman with seven children. Her high blood pressure was successfully controlled for many years with medication. She went to Samunge. She took the cup and returned home. She stopped taking her medication and would not have her blood pressure taken any more because “she believed”. Several weeks later she dropped dead from a massive stroke, leaving her husband and children behind. Nobody reports the connection with Samunge. What about this woman’s deep faith – and her husband’s and her children’s deep faith – when their mother falls over, full of faith and very dead? All these deaths are so unnecessary. What destruction is being done! One cannot in any way, shape, or form, say that this is God’s will.

    Similar cases exist with AIDS patients. Again, speaking with doctors all over Arusha Region, we find hospitals filled with formerly well-controlled AIDS patients who have taken the “cure”. They are dying. The mortuary at the hospital nearest Samunge is overflowing with the dead. Attendance at AIDS clinics generously funded by foreign organizations is dropping. A well designed, well placed medical program in our country risks losing significant funding because centres are not being frequented as before. And thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, who need not die, will die.

    There is a widely reported story, of a woman who claimed to be cured of her AIDS. A clinical officer at the hospital (who falsely presented himself to the press as a doctor) ‘verified’ the cure. But, there is more to this story. Some time ago, the woman and her husband went for HIV testing. He repeatedly tested positive. He subsequently died. She, on the other hand, always tested negative. After his death, she went to Samunge, drank the cup and went back to the hospital to be tested. Surprise! She tested negative. The clinical officer has since received a disciplinary letter; but the damage has been done. People are placing their faith in a lie, not perhaps on the part of Pastor Masapila, but on the part of a clinical officer who misrepresented himself and the situation.

    All sorts of people benefit from these lies. Bus, lorry, taxi and minibus operators are thrilled with the extra business. They do not want the flow of sick people to Samunge to stop. People selling exorbitantly priced food on the way to Samunge are thrilled. There are four helicopters from several countries newly based at Arusha Airport. They cater to the well-to-do who want to go to Samunge in comfort. Helicopter owners are thrilled. Carpenters and masons in the area are thrilled to see their own businesses booming. Proponents of a road across the Serengeti through Loliondo are thrilled with the commotion in Samunge. Now they say the road is essential for people to get to the cure. Police benefit from the 5,000 shilling tax levied on Samunge-bound Tanzanian cars or 10,000 shillings from Kenyan cars, sometimes levied several times. We are talking about hundreds of millions of shillings. There are many reasons to promote a lie.

    There are also religious reasons. Members of a mainline church can now claim that one of their own, not a Pentecostal, is the preeminent religious healer in the country. Using these lies as a means of promoting a church, a belief system, a political agenda or any ideology, is worthy of none of us.

    Factual stories about the cup not curing are abundant. Medically verifiable stories of cures are totally absent in the media. Whose interests are being served, only the profiteers? It is not responsible for civil or religious leaders to promote such death-serving beliefs. It is not enough for someone in authority to say that “there is nothing harmful in the potion” much less actually promote it. The potion may well be medically safe to drink, but the catastrophic medical and spiritual harm this phenomenon has created goes largely unreported.

    There is an important place for faith in our lives. Samunge is not it.
     
  2. Nzowa Godat

    Nzowa Godat JF-Expert Member

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    Very correct !
    Let's put faith at its appropriate place and to whom the faith is to be oriented and indeed no at Samunge neither is to 'babu'. Take Care.
     
  3. Jackbauer

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    Kipindupindu,miss judith,PJ mko wapi?
     
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    babu wa loliondo na geodavie nani zaidi?
     
  5. Masanilo

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    Babu of Samunge is simply a killer!
     
  6. SHINYAKA

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    are you real Rev~Fr?
     
  7. annamaria

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    This 'babu' needs to be prosecuted in a court of law for the crimes he is committing.People are so irrational,they use faith to defend their mediocrity and wickedness.U dont need to have a medical degree to know that a loliondo cure is a plain lie.These chronic diseases/syndromes are incurable,just take hospital pills to relieve your symptoms for the rest of your life.
    Stop the bullshit please,u guys who are responsible!
     
  8. Rungu

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    Naona inawezeka kuna baadhi ya hao wanaonufaika humu humu jamvini, na ndio sababu wanamtetea sana huyu Babu!
     
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    Mnapenda vya bure ndo mana babu kawapiga kekundu. Kila m2 aliyekunywa kikombe cha babu ukimwuliza habari za babu anaweza hata kukupiga ngumi hawataki kabisa kusikia tena habari za Loliondo. Watanzania kuweni macho nilishawambia Magamba wana mbinu nyingi sana za kisiasa na huyo babu yenu alikuwa ameandaliwa na magamba ili kupunguza kasi ya cdm si unakumbuka wakati babu anavuma ndo cdm walikuwa wanampango wa kuandamana nchi nzima? Lakini babu alivyoibuliwa nafikiri uliona mwenyewe nchi nzima watanzania walisahau kabisa mambo ya siasa, maandamana ikawa hakuna kabisa macho yote ya watanzania yalielekezwa kwa babu. Huu ni mfano tu lakini naomba mtambue magamba wana mbinu nyingi sana za kisiasa kwahiyo kuweni macho vinginevyo tutabaki tunalalamika2 huku magamba wao wakiendelea kutafuna nchi ye2 kwa kwenda mbele. TAFAKARI KISHA CHUKUA HATUA.
     
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    Ndiyo kijana wangu!

    Babu wa Loliondo ni muuwaji inabidi awe jela kwa usanii anaoufanya.
     
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    Nilikuwa nina waza hili pia. Babu wa Loliondo ni biashara ya Magamba
     
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    Hahaaa hhaaa Rev, yawezekana sijui kama kuna kiongozi wa CDM ameenda kupata kikombe lakini Magamba readers wengi wameshagonga kikombe!
     
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    PakaJimmy & co mpo?
     
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    Ndesa Pesa hajagonga kikombe?
     
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    miss judith & kipindupindu.on the contra side.
     
  16. Rungu

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    Naona wataibuka sasa hivi!
     
  17. Ally Kombo

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    .................... mnalo hilo WAGALATIA limewang'ang'ania ! .......................... subirini amuulize MUNGU tena !
     
  18. Mzee wa Rula

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    Jamani kama kuna mtu amepona kwa tiba ya babu basi ni jambo la bahati tu, ila mimi mpaka sasa sina imani na tiba ya babu kwa sababu hakuna Mungu wa ukweli aliye muongo!
    1. Mosi, majuzi nilikuwa nikiangalia Channel 10 kipindi kilikuwa kinaendeshwa na Hoyce Temu na alikuwa akimhoji dogo mmoja ambaye ni omba omba kutokana na kufiwa na wazazi wake wote na amezaliwa akiwa muathirika. Alikwenda kwa babu na kupata kikombe na alipimwa baada ya kukaa siku 28 lakini alionekana bado ni HIV+. Siyo huyo tu wapo wengi ambao mimi nawafahamu ni waathirika wa HIV na wamekaa zaidi ya miezi mitatu lakini bado wameendelea kuwa HIV+. Kauli ya babu, ukinywa kikombe hiki baada ya siku saba tu ukienda kupima utakuwa HIV-. Naomba ieleweke kuwa Mungu siyo kwamba hajui dawa ya UKIMWI hivyo kama ameamua kutoa TIBA kupitia nabii wake HAWEZI KUKUBALI MANENO YAKE YADONDOKE. HIYO NDIYO SIFA WA MUNGU WA UKWELI.
    2. Tiba ya babu ilijaa propaganda nyingi na kuaminishwa kwa watu kama mazingaombwe vile.
    Naomba nieleweke kuwa awali nilikuwa nikijaribu kuamini lakini siku zinavyokwenda napata mashaka juu ya tiba hii kuwa haitoki kwa Mungu aliyeumba mbingu na ardhi.
     
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    Thanks for the topic. It is true that the So called babu is a fake!! ' Those are the signs showinf end is near!!. Shetani kaleta magonjwa halafu anajifanya kuyaponya!! Babu simply is a devil's agent. wengi waliokwenda huko wamekufa!!!! Lakini babdo watu hawaoni wala kusikia. someni Daniel na siku zetu!
     
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    Jmani bado babu anatoa dawa!!!!
     
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