Rwanda rejects request to repatriate M23 rebels

jMali · Jan 27, 2014

Hii ya muda kidogo lakini nadhani inahitaji mjadala. cc: murutongore JokaKuu NasDaz Commanche Geeky MUKAMASIMBA

CNDP (jeshi la watutsi) chini ya Laurent Nkunda walipigwa, na Nkunda sasa anahifadhiwa Rwanda, wakaibuka M23 (jeshi la watutsi) nao wamepigwa na sasa wanahifadhiwa Rwanda. Waasi wa kitutsi wote wakipigwa wanahifadhiwa Rwanda, lakini wakati wakiibuka Rwanda inakataa kata kata kuwa haihusiki. Viongozi wote wa waasi waliwahi kuwa jeshi la waasi la RPA (again, jeshi la kitutsi) chini ya Kagame 1994. Hii inakuwaje?
Leo hii TZ tunalaumiwa vipi kwa kushauri mazungumzo tu, na FDLR, ikiwa wale magaidi wa M23 tuliowapiga Congo wanahifadhiwa Rwanda bila mashtaka yoyote? Hivi kimsingi nitakuwa nakosea kudai kuwa Rwanda inahifadhi maadui wa Tanzania, Congo, Malawi, SA na nchi zote zilizokuwa sehemu ya MONUSCO?

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Kigali has announced that it is almost impossible to extradite key members of M23 rebel movement living in Rwanda.

The DRC leadership wrote to Kigali last month demanding that it extradites of former M23 leaders who include Jean-Marie Runiga and military commanders Baudouin Ngaruye, Eric Badege and Innocent Zimurinda to face trial in Congo.

Even though Kigali has invited its Congolese counterparts to Rwanda to discuss the possible extradition of Congolese citizens, Minister of Foreign Affairs Louise Mushikiwabo says her government cannot send former M23 rebels as Kigali is concerned about their security.

Our position is that we cannot extradite these people to countries that maintain the death penalty in their penal code, Ms Mushikiwabo said on Thursday.

But some analysts look at Rwandas approach to the extradition request as retaliation for Kinshasas refusal to send back members of Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda (FDLR).
FDLR are being accused of working with Congolese army.

READ: Kigali raises the red flag over FDLR, Congolese army ties

Kinshasa is accusing Jean Marie Runigas group of committing crimes against humanity, war crimes, torture and other offences in Eastern Congo.

By refusing to co-operating and have the suspects extradited, Kinshasa says Rwanda will not be respecting a recently signed agreement between the countries of the Great Lakes region including Rwanda and the DRC in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia that demands signatories eradicate rebel groups in eastern DRC.

But Ms Mushikiwabo described Rwanda as a law abiding country, only saying the extradition request is a complicated one as Kigali finds it uncomfortable to deal with Kinshasa in this case when they still have the death sentence.

But our Ministry of Justice is looking at the matter. Extraditing people is a legal process that takes time, said Ms Mushikiwabo.

The minister said Kigali continues to enjoy good relations with DRC in spite of the diplomatic frictions between the two neighbouring countries.

Appeal to UN

The former rebels wanted by DRC entered Rwanda in February this year after fleeing from the fighting between two different factions of the movement.

Apart from the rebels, Rwanda also accommodates about 70,000 Congolese nationals.

They are now being held at an internment camp in Ngoma district in the countrys Eastern Province.
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reandle · Jan 27, 2014

jMali said:
Our position is that we cannot extradite these people to countries that maintain the death penalty in their penal code, Ms Mushikiwabo said on Thursday.

Huu ni unafiki wa hali ya juu wa kutaka kuihadaa jumuiya ya kimataifa kwamba Rwanda inazingatia haki za binadamu. Na zile death penalty zinazotolewa kwa njia za assassination tena bila kufikishwa mahakamani ndizo halali?! Kwa hakika taarifa hii inaendelea tu kuthibitisha kwamba Kagame ni mtu wa aina gani.

anjo · Jan 27, 2014

Rwanda wamekuwa smart kutumia mambo ya sheria kukataa kuwatoa hao M23.
Kama nchi hazina sheria zinazoshahibiana basi nchi nyingine inaweza kuitumia hiyo sheria wanavyotaka.
Hao M23 au wengine wakipelekwa na kuhukumiwa kifo basi Rwanda itakuwa imekiuka sheria yake ya uhai wa mtu.
Nachokumbuka ni kwamba nchi nyingi za ulaya zilikataa kutuma watuhumiwa wa mauaji ya kimbari nchini Rwanda mpaka pale Rwanda ilipoondoa adhabu ya kifo. Je DRC itabadilisha sheria?!

Umslopagas · Feb 1, 2014

Hii habari iko hewani miezi sita sasa, sielewi inapoletwa hapa leo kama new issue sijui mleta maada ana taka kutueleza lipi jipya? au kwa sababu kwa siku mbili zote hizi hakuna news za Kagame ndio maana anataka kutukumbusha iri tusimsahau. Kwa kweli When something obsess you it can be very dangerous. Such topics can not occupy any Tanzanian mind. I am certainly sure who ever takes such trouble to dig such old news has his or her own personal reasons obvious ni hao hao.

Bavaria · Feb 2, 2014

Kila mtu anajua M 23 ni wanyarwanda. Na wapo rwanda. Tuandike pettition tuipeleke UN watupe ruhusa kuingia kumalizia kazi.

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jMali · Feb 2, 2014

Umslopagas said:
Hii habari iko hewani miezi sita sasa, sielewi inapoletwa hapa leo kama new issue sijui mleta maada ana taka kutueleza lipi jipya? au kwa sababu kwa siku mbili zote hizi hakuna news za Kagame ndio maana anataka kutukumbusha iri tusimsahau. Kwa kweli When something obsess you it can be very dangerous. Such topics can not occupy any Tanzanian mind. I am certainly sure who ever takes such trouble to dig such old news has his or her own personal reasons obvious ni hao hao.

cc: rushasha NasDaz JokaKuu Ngongo Mimibaba

Ndugu hapa ni JF Tanzania sio New Times Rwanda! Huongei na wapumb.avu wenzio unaongea na great thinkers. Unajifanya uko neutral wakati taarifa zako zilizo wazi kabisa zinaonyesha uko upande gani:
Umejiunga miezi 6 iliyopita, post zako nyingi (jumla 23 tu) ni za masuala ya Rwanda, michango yako pia ni masuala ya Rwanda, halafu unadhani unajifanya eti hii haina interest kwako. Hebu cheki mwenyewe quotes zako ulizoandika, na link zake halafu come back na hii BS ya kujifanya eti hili halina interest kwa TZ.

"Land for your information Tutsis are not in Rwanda only, they are also in TZ among the Hangaza and subi people in Kagera, they among the Ha of Kigoma, they are among all tribes that surround great lake region, in fact it is not a tribe but a way of life unfortunately it has been wrongly identified as tribe." source:https://www.jamiiforums.com/international-forum/507825-kumbe-watutsi-ni-jews-3.html#post7138065.

"Bro! Huyu Niwemugizi anapotamka hivyo kuhusu kaka yake anajua anacho kisema, kwa taarifa yako anao kaka zake ndani ya wapiganaji wa FDRL, na kwa taarifa yako zaidi katika UN brigade ndani ya TZ Bn kati ya wale JW 1000 arround 100 of them are FDRL soldiers, wamevalishwa magwanda ya JW na ndio wanatumika as guides, as scouts and other activities zinazo hitaji mtu anaye fahamu vizuri terrain. Hii ni stratergy nzuri iriyo tumiwa na TZ iri kuweza kuingia Congo na kuvinjari ndani ya Misiti mizito ya Congo bila kupotea na kupoteana. Bira hii mbinu nakuhakikishia hakuna Kikosi no matter how good or equipped kinaweza kufanya lolote ndani ya Misitu ya Congo. Kwa ufupi ni vikundi viwili tu ndivyo vyenye uzoefu na uwezo wa kuweza ku survive in those jungle (FDRL na M23) hata Jeshi la Congo (serikali) hupoteana na kupigwa kama vipofu. Tanzania ilipewa mbinu hii na Kabila mwenyewe in fact alimtuma Kamanda shupavu sana wa FDRL aitwaye Bigaruka. Huyu jamaa alikuja akawapa TZ kilakitu kuhusiana na terrain, na aliwaonya sana kuwa itakuwa ni vigumu sana kupigana na M23 ndani ya Misitu ya Congo bila kuwa nawatu wanaofahamu eneo hili zivuri. Ndio hapo wakaingia deal ya kuwapatia vijana wa FDRL wapatao 100 for the said reasons. Hizi moves zote wakati zinapangwa na kusukwa kisirisiri, zilikuwa zinamfikia PK baada ya hawa vijana 100 kufika na kupokelewa Bongo, ktk hari ya kutatanisha sana jamaa yule Bigaruka alitoweka ghafla, hekaheka za kumsaka ndani ya TZ ziligonga ukuta, inasemekana PK alikuja kumchukua mwenyewe akamtoa ndani ya safe house moja mjini Dar hadi Kigali. Jamaa kuingia Kigali hakuamini macho yake akajua mambo yote kwisha akamwaga mcele wote, hapo ndipo chuki na uhasama vikaalipuka. JK arikasirika saana, kwa hako ka mchezo PK nae arikasirika saana kutokana na kitendo cha JK kushirikiana hawa jamaa. lakini alie kasirika saana alikuwa mchungaji Mtikira kwani huyu Bwana Bigaruka alikuwa mtu wa karibu sana wa Mtikira kuna tetesi kuwa anaweza kuwa Binamu yake au Shemeji yake, Maranying sana Bigaruka amekuwa akiingia TZ kwa shughuri zake Binafsi akitokea kwenye Misitu ya Congo kila mara alikuwa akifikia kwa Mch.Mtikira, so aliposikia amepotea. Alitukana saana, alitukana mpaka akawa kama kichaa, alitia chumvi na kufoka utadhani amepagawa, alichochea kila aina ya sumu, naamini kama angekuwa Raisi wa TZ angekuwa ameshaivamia Rwanda siku nyingi. Article yake hiyo yenye matusi imo humuhumu ndani sikumbuki ni wapi, anayetaka anaweza kuitafuta"
source: https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...settled-in-kirehe-district-5.html#post7098077

Where are the rushashas and Mukoras? I am sure that the cannot view this because it eats them to see that what they are saying is completely being proven wrong. source: https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...3-wadaiwa-kubaka-na-kuua-drc.html#post6959159

I like your comment Koba, and what you said is the truth undeniable truth, it is allover the news lakini kuna watu wanapenda majungu na umbea, baadhi ya comment humu ndani zinasikitisha kwakweli, kuna baadhi ya watu ndani ya hii forum wamejawa na chuki hasa kwa Kagame utadhani ni akina nanihii..... sijui kulikoni. chuki yao inawazuia kuona na kutafakari kabisaaa. source: https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...rani-zetu-waanza-kututenga-5.html#post6738380

ROBERT MICHAEL · Feb 2, 2014

jMali said:
cc: rushasha NasDaz JokaKuu Ngongo Mimibaba

Ndugu hapa ni JF Tanzania sio New Times Rwanda! Huongei na wapumb.avu wenzio unaongea na great thinkers. Unajifanya uko neutral wakati taarifa zako zilizo wazi kabisa zinaonyesha uko upande gani:
Umejiunga miezi 6 iliyopita, post zako nyingi (jumla 23 tu) ni za masuala ya Rwanda, michango yako pia ni masuala ya Rwanda, halafu unadhani unajifanya eti hii haina interest kwako. Hebu cheki mwenyewe quotes zako ulizoandika, na link zake halafu come back na hii BS ya kujifanya eti hili halina interest kwa TZ.

"Land for your information Tutsis are not in Rwanda only, they are also in TZ among the Hangaza and subi people in Kagera, they among the Ha of Kigoma, they are among all tribes that surround great lake region, in fact it is not a tribe but a way of life unfortunately it has been wrongly identified as tribe." source:https://www.jamiiforums.com/international-forum/507825-kumbe-watutsi-ni-jews-3.html#post7138065.

"Bro! Huyu Niwemugizi anapotamka hivyo kuhusu kaka yake anajua anacho kisema, kwa taarifa yako anao kaka zake ndani ya wapiganaji wa FDRL, na kwa taarifa yako zaidi katika UN brigade ndani ya TZ Bn kati ya wale JW 1000 arround 100 of them are FDRL soldiers, wamevalishwa magwanda ya JW na ndio wanatumika as guides, as scouts and other activities zinazo hitaji mtu anaye fahamu vizuri terrain. Hii ni stratergy nzuri iriyo tumiwa na TZ iri kuweza kuingia Congo na kuvinjari ndani ya Misiti mizito ya Congo bila kupotea na kupoteana. Bira hii mbinu nakuhakikishia hakuna Kikosi no matter how good or equipped kinaweza kufanya lolote ndani ya Misitu ya Congo. Kwa ufupi ni vikundi viwili tu ndivyo vyenye uzoefu na uwezo wa kuweza ku survive in those jungle (FDRL na M23) hata Jeshi la Congo (serikali) hupoteana na kupigwa kama vipofu. Tanzania ilipewa mbinu hii na Kabila mwenyewe in fact alimtuma Kamanda shupavu sana wa FDRL aitwaye Bigaruka. Huyu jamaa alikuja akawapa TZ kilakitu kuhusiana na terrain, na aliwaonya sana kuwa itakuwa ni vigumu sana kupigana na M23 ndani ya Misitu ya Congo bila kuwa nawatu wanaofahamu eneo hili zivuri. Ndio hapo wakaingia deal ya kuwapatia vijana wa FDRL wapatao 100 for the said reasons. Hizi moves zote wakati zinapangwa na kusukwa kisirisiri, zilikuwa zinamfikia PK baada ya hawa vijana 100 kufika na kupokelewa Bongo, ktk hari ya kutatanisha sana jamaa yule Bigaruka alitoweka ghafla, hekaheka za kumsaka ndani ya TZ ziligonga ukuta, inasemekana PK alikuja kumchukua mwenyewe akamtoa ndani ya safe house moja mjini Dar hadi Kigali. Jamaa kuingia Kigali hakuamini macho yake akajua mambo yote kwisha akamwaga mcele wote, hapo ndipo chuki na uhasama vikaalipuka. JK arikasirika saana, kwa hako ka mchezo PK nae arikasirika saana kutokana na kitendo cha JK kushirikiana hawa jamaa. lakini alie kasirika saana alikuwa mchungaji Mtikira kwani huyu Bwana Bigaruka alikuwa mtu wa karibu sana wa Mtikira kuna tetesi kuwa anaweza kuwa Binamu yake au Shemeji yake, Maranying sana Bigaruka amekuwa akiingia TZ kwa shughuri zake Binafsi akitokea kwenye Misitu ya Congo kila mara alikuwa akifikia kwa Mch.Mtikira, so aliposikia amepotea. Alitukana saana, alitukana mpaka akawa kama kichaa, alitia chumvi na kufoka utadhani amepagawa, alichochea kila aina ya sumu, naamini kama angekuwa Raisi wa TZ angekuwa ameshaivamia Rwanda siku nyingi. Article yake hiyo yenye matusi imo humuhumu ndani sikumbuki ni wapi, anayetaka anaweza kuitafuta"
source: https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...settled-in-kirehe-district-5.html#post7098077

Where are the rushashas and Mukoras? I am sure that the cannot view this because it eats them to see that what they are saying is completely being proven wrong. source: https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...3-wadaiwa-kubaka-na-kuua-drc.html#post6959159

I like your comment Koba, and what you said is the truth undeniable truth, it is allover the news lakini kuna watu wanapenda majungu na umbea, baadhi ya comment humu ndani zinasikitisha kwakweli, kuna baadhi ya watu ndani ya hii forum wamejawa na chuki hasa kwa Kagame utadhani ni akina nanihii..... sijui kulikoni. chuki yao inawazuia kuona na kutafakari kabisaaa. source: https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...rani-zetu-waanza-kututenga-5.html#post6738380

Safi sana mpe za chembe huyo b.w.e.g.e.

Mike Scofield · Feb 2, 2014

Kama Wanyarwanda wanaona ni sawa kuwahifadhi wauaji wa Wakongo (M23), basi wasilalamike wakisikia Kikwete amehifadhi waasi wa FDRL Tanzania. Kumbe mkuki kwa nguruwe ...

Umslopagas · Feb 3, 2014

ROBERT MICHAEL said:
Safi sana mpe za chembe huyo b.w.e.g.e.

Mimi siko Neutral Nyangau wewe! where did I mention my neutrality? Am just like you, very obsessed with News about Kagame and his country thought for different reasons. Nilichosema ni kwanini habari iriyo zungumziwa miezi sita inarudiwa hapa kirichobadirika ni nini? au hakuna habari mpya turudie ambazo turishazungumzia? na kuhusu u greatthinkers wako dont make me laugh ua so biased and obsessed just like the two camps we have here whenever it is about Rwanda and Kagame.

majeshi 1981 · Feb 3, 2014

Bulldog said:
Kila mtu anajua M 23 ni wanyarwanda. Na wapo rwanda. Tuandike pettition tuipeleke UN watupe ruhusa kuingia kumalizia kazi.

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well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stroke · Feb 3, 2014

unaficha majambazi halafu unadai wewe ni mtu safi, mficha majambazi ni jambazi tu, kigali imejaa majangili ya haki za raia wa kongo

Umslopagas · Feb 3, 2014

jMali said:
cc: rushasha NasDaz JokaKuu Ngongo Mimibaba

Ndugu hapa ni JF Tanzania sio New Times Rwanda! Huongei na wapumb.avu wenzio unaongea na great thinkers. Unajifanya uko neutral wakati taarifa zako zilizo wazi kabisa zinaonyesha uko upande gani:
Umejiunga miezi 6 iliyopita, post zako nyingi (jumla 23 tu) ni za masuala ya Rwanda, michango yako pia ni masuala ya Rwanda, halafu unadhani unajifanya eti hii haina interest kwako. Hebu cheki mwenyewe quotes zako ulizoandika, na link zake halafu come back na hii BS ya kujifanya eti hili halina interest kwa TZ.

"Land for your information Tutsis are not in Rwanda only, they are also in TZ among the Hangaza and subi people in Kagera, they among the Ha of Kigoma, they are among all tribes that surround great lake region, in fact it is not a tribe but a way of life unfortunately it has been wrongly identified as tribe." source:https://www.jamiiforums.com/international-forum/507825-kumbe-watutsi-ni-jews-3.html#post7138065.

"Bro! Huyu Niwemugizi anapotamka hivyo kuhusu kaka yake anajua anacho kisema, kwa taarifa yako anao kaka zake ndani ya wapiganaji wa FDRL, na kwa taarifa yako zaidi katika UN brigade ndani ya TZ Bn kati ya wale JW 1000 arround 100 of them are FDRL soldiers, wamevalishwa magwanda ya JW na ndio wanatumika as guides, as scouts and other activities zinazo hitaji mtu anaye fahamu vizuri terrain. Hii ni stratergy nzuri iriyo tumiwa na TZ iri kuweza kuingia Congo na kuvinjari ndani ya Misiti mizito ya Congo bila kupotea na kupoteana. Bira hii mbinu nakuhakikishia hakuna Kikosi no matter how good or equipped kinaweza kufanya lolote ndani ya Misitu ya Congo. Kwa ufupi ni vikundi viwili tu ndivyo vyenye uzoefu na uwezo wa kuweza ku survive in those jungle (FDRL na M23) hata Jeshi la Congo (serikali) hupoteana na kupigwa kama vipofu. Tanzania ilipewa mbinu hii na Kabila mwenyewe in fact alimtuma Kamanda shupavu sana wa FDRL aitwaye Bigaruka. Huyu jamaa alikuja akawapa TZ kilakitu kuhusiana na terrain, na aliwaonya sana kuwa itakuwa ni vigumu sana kupigana na M23 ndani ya Misitu ya Congo bila kuwa nawatu wanaofahamu eneo hili zivuri. Ndio hapo wakaingia deal ya kuwapatia vijana wa FDRL wapatao 100 for the said reasons. Hizi moves zote wakati zinapangwa na kusukwa kisirisiri, zilikuwa zinamfikia PK baada ya hawa vijana 100 kufika na kupokelewa Bongo, ktk hari ya kutatanisha sana jamaa yule Bigaruka alitoweka ghafla, hekaheka za kumsaka ndani ya TZ ziligonga ukuta, inasemekana PK alikuja kumchukua mwenyewe akamtoa ndani ya safe house moja mjini Dar hadi Kigali. Jamaa kuingia Kigali hakuamini macho yake akajua mambo yote kwisha akamwaga mcele wote, hapo ndipo chuki na uhasama vikaalipuka. JK arikasirika saana, kwa hako ka mchezo PK nae arikasirika saana kutokana na kitendo cha JK kushirikiana hawa jamaa. lakini alie kasirika saana alikuwa mchungaji Mtikira kwani huyu Bwana Bigaruka alikuwa mtu wa karibu sana wa Mtikira kuna tetesi kuwa anaweza kuwa Binamu yake au Shemeji yake, Maranying sana Bigaruka amekuwa akiingia TZ kwa shughuri zake Binafsi akitokea kwenye Misitu ya Congo kila mara alikuwa akifikia kwa Mch.Mtikira, so aliposikia amepotea. Alitukana saana, alitukana mpaka akawa kama kichaa, alitia chumvi na kufoka utadhani amepagawa, alichochea kila aina ya sumu, naamini kama angekuwa Raisi wa TZ angekuwa ameshaivamia Rwanda siku nyingi. Article yake hiyo yenye matusi imo humuhumu ndani sikumbuki ni wapi, anayetaka anaweza kuitafuta"
source: https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...settled-in-kirehe-district-5.html#post7098077

Where are the rushashas and Mukoras? I am sure that the cannot view this because it eats them to see that what they are saying is completely being proven wrong. source: https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...3-wadaiwa-kubaka-na-kuua-drc.html#post6959159

I like your comment Koba, and what you said is the truth undeniable truth, it is allover the news lakini kuna watu wanapenda majungu na umbea, baadhi ya comment humu ndani zinasikitisha kwakweli, kuna baadhi ya watu ndani ya hii forum wamejawa na chuki hasa kwa Kagame utadhani ni akina nanihii..... sijui kulikoni. chuki yao inawazuia kuona na kutafakari kabisaaa. source: https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...rani-zetu-waanza-kututenga-5.html#post6738380

Mimi siko Neutral Nyangau wewe! where did I mention my neutrality? Am just like you, very obsessed with News about Kagame and his country thought for different reasons. Nilichosema ni kwanini habari iriyo zungumziwa miezi sita inarudiwa hapa kirichobadirika ni nini? au hakuna habari mpya turudie ambazo turishazungumzia? na kuhusu u greatthinkers wako dont make me laugh ua so biased and obsessed just like the two camps we have here whenever it is about Rwanda and Kagame

jMali · Feb 3, 2014

Umslopagas said:
Mimi siko Neutral Nyangau wewe! where did I mention my neutrality? Am just like you, very obsessed with News about Kagame and his country thought for different reasons. Nilichosema ni kwanini habari iriyo zungumziwa miezi sita inarudiwa hapa kirichobadirika ni nini? au hakuna habari mpya turudie ambazo turishazungumzia? na kuhusu u greatthinkers wako dont make me laugh ua so biased and obsessed just like the two camps we have here whenever it is about Rwanda and Kagame

there goes your answer!

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