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Wadau wa UKIMWI hii ikoje (hiv is not the cause of aids)

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  1. Victor Kisanga

    Victor Kisanga Member

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    HIV Is Not the Cause of AIDS
    By Peter H. Duesberg
    Science, Vol. 241, pp. 514-517,
    July 29, 1988.
    Human immunodeficiency virus
    (HIV) is not the cause of AIDS
    because it fails to meet the
    postulates of Koch and Henle, as
    well as six cardinal rules of
    virology.
    1) HIV is in violation of Koch's
    first postulate because it is not
    possible to detect free virus (1,
    2), provirus (3-5), or viral RNA (4,
    6, 7) in all cases of AIDS. Indeed,
    the Centers for Disease Control
    (CDC) has established guidelines
    to diagnose AIDS when all
    laboratory evidence for HIV is
    negative (8).
    2) In violation of Koch's
    second postulate, HIV cannot be
    isolated from 20 to 50% of AIDS
    cases (1, 9-11). Moreover,
    "isolation" is very indirect. It
    depends on activating dormant
    provirus in millions of susceptible
    cells propagated in vitro away
    from the suppressive immune
    system of the host.
    3) In violation of Koch's third
    postulate, pure HIV does not
    reproduce AIDS when inoculated
    into chimpanzees or accidentally
    into healthy humans (9, 12, 13).
    4) In contrast to all pathogenic
    viruses that cause degenerative
    diseases, HIV is not biochemically
    active in the disease syndrome it
    is named for (14). It actively
    infects only 1 in 104 to > 105 T
    cells (4, 6, 7, 15). Under these
    conditions, HIV cannot account
    for the loss of T cells, the
    hallmark of AIDS, even if all
    infected cells died. This is
    because during the 2 days it
    takes HIV to replicate, the body
    regenerates about 5% of its T
    cells (16), more than enough to
    compensate for losses due to
    HIV.
    5) It is paradoxical that HIV is
    said to cause AIDS only after the
    onset of antiviral immunity,
    detected by a positive "AIDS test,"
    because all other viruses are
    most pathogenic before
    immunity. The immunity against
    HIV is so effective that free virus
    is undetectable (see point 1),
    which is why HIV is so hard to
    transmit (9, 12, 13). The virus
    would be a plausible cause of
    AIDS if it were reactivated after
    an asymptomatic latency, like
    herpes viruses. However, HIV
    remains inactive during AIDS.
    Thus the "AIDS test" identifies
    effective natural vaccination, the
    ultimate protection against viral
    disease.
    6) The long and highly variable
    intervals between the onset of
    antiviral immunity and AIDS,
    averaging 8 years, are bizarre for
    a virus that replicates within 1 to
    2 days in tissue culture and
    induces antiviral immunity within
    1 to 2 months after an acute
    infection (9, 17). Since all genes
    of HIV are active during
    replication, AIDS should occur
    early when HIV is active, not later
    when it is dormant. Indeed, HIV
    can cause a mononucleosis-like
    disease during the acute
    infection, perhaps its only
    pathogenic potential (9, 17).
    7) Retroviruses are typically
    not cytocidal. On the contrary,
    they often promote cell growth.
    Therefore, they were long
    considered the most plausible
    viral carcinogens (9). Yet HIV, a
    retrovirus, is said to behave like a
    cytocidal virus, causing
    degenerative disease killing
    billions of T cells (15, 18). This is
    said even though T cells grown
    in culture, which produce much
    more virus than has ever been
    observed in AIDS patients,
    continue to divide (9, 10, 18).
    8) It is paradoxical for a virus
    to have a country-specific host
    range and a risk group-specific
    pathology. In the United States,
    92% of AIDS patients are male
    (19), but in Africa AIDS is equally
    distributed between the sexes,
    although the virus is thought to
    have existed in Africa not much
    longer than in the United States
    (20). In the United States, the
    virus is said to cause Kaposi's
    sarcoma only in homosexuals,
    mostly Pneumocystis pneumonia
    in hemophiliacs, and frequently
    cytomegalovirus disease in
    children (21). In Africa the same
    virus is thought to cause slim
    disease, fever, and diarrhea
    almost exclusively (22, 23).
    9) It is now claimed that at
    least two viruses, HIV-1 and
    HIV-2, are capable of causing
    AIDS, which allegedly first
    appeared on this planet only a
    few years ago (20). HIV-1 and
    HIV-2 differ about 60% in their
    nucleic acid sequences (24).
    Since viruses are products of
    gradual evolution, the
    proposition that within a few
    years two viruses capable of
    causing AIDS could have evolved
    is highly improbable (25).
     
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    mi hii habari ya hiv inasababisha aids au la nawaachia wataalamu.
    ila ukweli niujuao mimi ni kwamba hii kitu inatuteketeza kikwelii.
     
  3. Victor Kisanga

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    Mwenyewe nilivyosoma nilishangaa sana lakin kumbe hakuna hata scientific document moja inayoonesha jins hiv inasosababisha aids zaid ya kusema kwamba asilimia kubwa ya wenye aids huwa na hiv
     
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    wacha wazee wa postulates wahangaike na sie tufe............ we have one choice to make

    fight infections, fight aids, protect each other

    hayo marisechi waendelee nayo tu, wanatuzingua tu na maabara zao; i wokred in the lab ya kansa in the late nineties UK for a couple of years na kukesha kusoma, nikagundua napoteza muda tu, baada ya hapo sijatumia hata paragraph moja kwenye maisha yaleo; naishi kwa other sources/resources

    wakimaliza hizo postulates watuletee outcomes
     
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    Janjaweed JF-Expert Member

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    kalaga baho...............
     
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    King'asti JF-Expert Member

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    Yaani kweli wewe unatuletea reference ya 1988? Wakati huo hiv ndo kwanza imegundulika bado wanasayansi wanaishangaa! Tena gene sequenceration ndo kila siku kuna kipya! Unajua most scientific journals hawakubali paper zenye reference 10+ yrs?
    This must have been challenged. Ukisoma papers za mwaka 1800 si ajabu wanagoma sperms does not make babies!
     
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    Janjaweed JF-Expert Member

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    baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssssss
     
  8. Victor Kisanga

    Victor Kisanga Member

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    Kwan hiv iligunduliwa mwaka gani?
    Halafu naomba unioneshe aliyewahi kuchallenge hyo research with scientific proof.

    Naomba unioneshe a single scientific document which shows how hiv causes aids?

    Halafu kuna baadh ya kesi za aids without hiv umewahi sikia kitu kama hicho?
     
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    Dr duesberg is still alive today and no one had dared to challenge him even Dr.Robert Gallo who claimed to have discovered the virus
     
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