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The Dark Face of Jewish Nationalism

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    The Dark Face of Jewish Nationalism

    9/11 - The US Military Knows Israel Did It

    "Redress" Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu once remarked to a Likud gathering that "Israel is not like other countries". Oddly enough for him, that time he was telling the truth, and nowhere is that more evident than with Jewish nationalism, whether or not one pins the "Zionist" label on it.

    Nationalism in most countries and cultures can have both positive and negative aspects, unifying a people and sometimes leading them against their neighbours. Extremism can emerge, and often has, at least in part in almost every nationalist/independence movement I can recall (e.g. the French nationalist movement had The Terror, Kenya's had the Mau Mau, etc.).

    But whereas extremism in other nationalist movements is an aberration, extremism in Jewish nationalism is the norm, pitting Zionist Jews (secular or observant) against the goyim (everyone else), who are either possible predator or certain prey, if not both sequentially. This does not mean that all Jews or all Israelis feel and act this way, by any means. But it does mean that Israel today is what it cannot avoid being, and what it would be under any electable government (a point I'll develop in another article).

    The differences between Jewish nationalism (Zionism) and that of other countries and cultures here I think are fourfold:

    1. Zionism is a real witches' brew of xenophobia, racism, ultra-nationalism and militarism that places it way outside of a "mere" nationalist context — for example, when I was in Ireland (both parts) I saw no indication whatsoever that the Provisional Irish Republican Army or anyone else pressing for a united Ireland had a shred of design on shoving Protestants into camps or out of the country, although there may well have been a handful who thought that way — and goes far beyond the misery for others professed by the Nazis;

    2. Zionism undermines civic loyalty among its adherents in other countries in a way that other nationalist movements (and even ultra-nationalist movements like Nazism) did not — e.g. a large majority of American Jews, including those who are not openly dual citizens, espouse a form of political bigamy called "dual loyalty" (to Israel and the US) that is every bit as dishonest as marital bigamy, attempts to finesse the precedence they give to Israel over the US (lots of Rahm Emanuels out there who served in the Israeli army but NOT in the US armed forces), and has absolutely no parallel in the sense of national or cultural identity espoused by any other definable ethnic or racial group in America — even the Nazi Bund in the US disappeared once Germany and the US went to war, with almost all of its members volunteering for the US armed forces;

    3. The "enemy" of normal nationalist movements is the occupying power and perhaps its allies, and once independence is achieved, normal relations with the occupying power are truly the norm, but for Zionism almost everyone out there is an actual or potential enemy, differing only in proximity and placement on its very long list of enemies (which is now America's target list); and

    4. Almost all nationalist movements (including the irredentist and secessionist variants) intend to create an independent state from a population in place or to reunite a separated people (like the Sudeten Germans in the 1930s) — it is very rare for it to include the wholesale displacement of another indigenous population, which is far more common of successful colonialist movements as in the US — and perhaps a reason why most Americans wouldn't care too much about what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians even if they DID know about it, is because that is no different than what Europeans in North America did to the Indians/Native Americans here in a longer and more low-tech fashion.

    The implications of this for Middle East peace prospects, and for other countries in thrall to their domestic Jewish lobbies or not, are chilling. The Book of Deuteronomy come to life in a state with a nuclear arsenal would be enough to give pause to anyone not bought or bribed into submission — which these days encompasses the US government, given Israel's affinity for throwing crap into the face of the Obama administration and Obama's visible affinity for accepting it with a smile, Bibi Netanyahu's own "Uncle Tom" come to Washington.

    The late General Moshe Dayan, who — Zionist or not — remains an honoured part of my own Pantheon of military heroes, allegedly observed that Israel's security depended on its being viewed by others as a mad dog. He may have been correct. But he neglected to note that the preferred response of everyone else is to kill that mad dog before it can decide to go berserk and bite. It is an option worth considering.

    Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a former director of studies at the US Army War College. He can be contacted at docbrosk@comcast.net
     
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    Hizi chuki dhidi ya Wayahudi zimeenea sana ndani ya Quran, kitabu cha marehemu Muhammad! Hapa ni marudio tu, hakuna jipya!
     
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    Do they real know what israel is? Blessed are those who know and live by the truth.
     
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    x-Paster wewe na ndugu yako Tumaini ni Islamists.Kuwalaumu ma Jew kwa kila kitu ni stupidity.
    Kama wewe ni Mtz walaumu mafisadi ,na hii geopolitics hazisaidii kitu.
    Mwamedi alikuwa bomu,alikuwa anapenda ngono,mpaka leo wafuasi wake ni ngono tu.
     
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    hilo taifa la wayahudi limebarikiwa na Mungu..anaelilaani apata na kujitakia laana tu..bora unyamaze.
     
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    Huo ni upotoshaji! Israeli lilikuwa Taifa teule ndio, na lengo hasa lilikuwa Mataifa mengine waabudu miungu na masanamu wamjue Mungu wa Kweli kupitia kwao! Lakini ilifika mahali Mungu akafunua neema yake kwa watu wote Tito 2:11

    11Kwa maana neema ya Mungu iletayo wokovu imedhihirishwa kwa watu wote. 12Neema hiyo inatufundisha kukataa uovu na tamaa za dhambi, tupate kuishi maisha ya kiasi, ya haki na ya kumcha Mungu, katika ulimwengu huu. Wakati huo huo 13tukingojea tumaini letu lenye baraka - kuja kwa utukufu wa Mungu wetu Mkuu na Mwokozi wetu, Yesu Kristo. 14Yeye alijitoa mwenyewe kwa ajili yetu ili atukomboe katika uasi wote, na kutufanya tuwe safi kwa ajili yake; na tuwe watu wake kabisa, ambao wana juhudi katika kutenda mema.

    Ndio maana Paulo kwenye Mdo ya Mitume 11 anaambiwa inuka uchinje na ule, anaangalia anaona manyoka makobe, anamjibu Mungu sijawhi kula kitu najisi, Mungu anamwabia usiite najisi kilichobarikiwa na Mungu! Punde anapo amuka kwenye njozi ile Messengers wametumwa kumuita akatoe huduma kwa Mrumi!
    Na hapo ndipo huduma ya Paulo kwa mataifa yote ikaanza. Tulikuwa manyoka, makobe nk..nk Lakini tumetakaswa sote ni kitu kimoja kwenye macho ya Mungu

    Guys Mungu hapendi uovu, and you cant justify the killing of innocent Palestinians in the name of elite. And that is why even in the times when God was with them, He punished them whenever they transgress, so does today! Myahudi na Mtanzania kwa Mungu wote tuko sawa sawa, Myahudi na Mpalestina kwa Mungu wote wako sawa! Haijalishi wewe ni myahudi wala nani if you transgress hakuna upendeleo maalum na wote tutahukumiwa kwa matendo yetu wala si kwa utaifa wetu
     
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    Sympathy and theology cannot possibly justify apartheid in the 21st Century by a state that clearly violates international law and nothing comes to it. The stone throwing 14 year old boy who was shot dead yesterday for example was not really a threat to Israeli forces. It is not solely Israel's fault but it is surely largely responsible for what is happening.. Just how aggrieved does one have to be to fight the IDF with its Apache helicopters, F16s and assault rifles with stones, these people have tanks for God's sake.. This is occupation and apartheid that is all it is.. The world must fix this situation, just like it needs to fix Darfur and everywhere else this is happening, or the future of humanity will always be scarred
     
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    "...Kwa sababu hiyo nawaambia, Ufalme wa Mungu utaondolewa kwenu, nao watapewa taifa lingine lenye kuzaa matunda yake. Naye aangukaye juu ya jiwe hilo atavunjika vunjika; naye ye yote ambaye litamwangukia, litamsaga tikitiki.".
    Matth 21:33-44
     
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    ........Maana mungu hakumtuma Mwana ulimwenguni ili ahukumu ulimwengu , bali alimtuma mwana ili ulimwngu uokolewe katika yeye .Amwaminiye yeye hahukumiwi ; asiyeamini amekwisha kuhukumiwa; kwa sababu hakuliamini jina la mwana pekee wa mungu. Na hii ndiyo hukumu ya kuwa nuru imekuja ulimwenguni na watu wakapenda giza kuliko nuru, kwa maana matendo yao yalikuwa maovu. Maana kila mtu atendaye mabaya huichukia nuru, wala haji kwenye nuru, matendo yake yasije yakakemewa.Bali yeye haitendaye kweli huja kwenye nuru, ili matendo yake yaonekane wazi ya kuwa yametendwa katika Mungu. Yohana 3:16-21
     
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    Eh! Hivi kumbe mungu ana mtoto au watoto!?
     
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