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[Kimbukiko]

Karibu sana Kimbukiko...
Wanakuogopa sasa humu .....
Wapelekee mshono hivyo hivyo, walikuwa wanatukana sana kila mtu anayetoa point..
Sasa wewe umekuja kivyao na kuzidi, naona wanakukimbia ....

Nawabatiza Kwa Moto ,si wanajitoa akili na kuita watu mashoga baada ya kuzidiwa hoja ?

 

[political monger senior]

Naiona China ikiwa super power ndani ya miaka miwili maana Ulaya hawatazalisha tena viwandani sababu ya gharama ya nishati.

Bidhaa nyingi za China zitajaa sok la Ulaya.

Bidhaa za China na India zitakuwa bei nafuu kulinganisha na za USA sababu
1. China inatumia energy cheap kutoka Russia.
2. Ukaribu wa Ulaya na China ukilinganisha na safari ya USAkuja Ulaya.

China alicheza Pele swala la Taiwan na kibibi Pelosi

China kuwa superpower ni ngumu ataòngoza kwenye mambo ya biashara tu lakini kuwa superpower ilo asahau

 

[Nkerebhuke]

Kwa wazungu hakuna free Lunch hata zile Silaha zinazo pelekewa Ukrine kuna Bill zinapelekwa pia, Wazungu Freee Service hawanagana.

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Hawajasitisha nimeona taarifa cnn kuwa wanaweza kusitisha licha ya kufafhiliwa na Pentagon. Anachotaka elon musk ni reconciliation baina pande mbili zinazohasimiana. Ila huyu Mwamba nimemvulia kofia ndio amasaidia jeshi la ukraine kuwa connected vinginevyo lingekuwa inihalated kitambo

 

[Kimbukiko]

Kuna mtu anataka kimbia kherson

Hilo Jimbo lazima aachie stake asitake soon mtashuhudia wenyewe

 

[green rajab]

In the near future, the Armed Forces of Ukraine may be left without satellite Internet Starlink – RT.

According to an RT source in military intelligence, during the communication outages, the Ukrainian command was almost in a panic and made decisions in different sectors of the front based on outdated information.

Orders given blindly led to the failure of offensives and heavy losses.

Russia has the opportunity to reduce the performance of the Starlink system over Ukraine, experts interviewed by RT said.

Earlier, Elon Musk said that Starlink is essentially the last thing Ukraine has left in the combat zone of vital communications equipment , everything else was destroyed in the battles.

According to him, the Starlink satellite Internet system in Ukraine may stop working, despite the resources invested in its protection.

Subscribe to @Sputnik

 

[Kimbukiko]

Unamjaza ujinga Kimbakilo hujui huyo jamaa ni mgonjwa wa akili unavyofanya ni unyanyasaji kwa walemavu

Nimekupa za USO mpaka kimbelembele kimeisha naona umeanza kuleta kiherehere tena sio ?
Unataka ubatizo WA Moto tena au ,?

 

[Msulibasi]

Hilo Jimbo lazima aachie stake asitake soon mtashuhudia wenyewe

Stori za mapumziko chekechea watoto wanasimuliana nguvu za spiderman

 

[Mathanzua]

The White House comments on paying for Starlink service for Ukraine​

The US understands the importance of satellite communications for Kiev’s forces, Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre says

White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre talks to reporters during the daily news conference. © AFP / Chip Somodevilla
The Pentagon and US allies are exploring all options to maintain Starlink satellite services for Ukraine after tycoon Elon Musk said he’s no longer willing to provide the communications for free, the White House press secretary has said.
During a briefing on Friday, Karine Jean-Pierre was asked if the Biden administration had considered Musk’s request for the Pentagon to foot the bill for satellite internet communications in Ukraine.
“Look, we understand the importance of these capabilities to ensure stable communications for Ukraine’s forces in particular,” Jean-Pierre responded.
Starlink, operated by Musk’s SpaceX company, has become the main communication tool for Ukraine’s forces since the start of the conflict with Russia.
According to the spokeswoman, the Pentagon is “working with allies and partners to look at all options on how best to support those needs identified by Ukraine specifically.” Further questions on the matter should be referred to the Department of Defense, she added.
Pentagon Press Secretary Sabrina Singh confirmed on Friday that “the department has been in communication with SpaceX regarding Starlink,” but declined to expand on the nature of those contacts.

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The DoD understands the “fragility” of satellite communications and their importance for Ukraine “not just on the battlefield, but within the country itself,” Singh said.
On Thursday CNN published a letter, which it said SpaceX had sent to the Pentagon in September, demanding that it cover the cost of operating the system in Ukraine. The company is no longer “in a position to further donate terminals to Ukraine, or fund the existing terminals for an indefinite period of time,” the document read.
Musk reacted to the report by pointing out that his “competitors in space launch and communications,” Lockheed Martin and Boeing, had jointly received over $60 billion in defense contracts in 2021 alone.
The entrepreneur explained in a series of tweets how keeping up “warfront” communications was much more difficult and expensive. He said his aerospace company was allegedly forced to divert “massive resources” and was “burning” around $20 million per month on safeguarding the services from cyberattacks and jamming. “Russia is actively trying to kill Starlink,” Musk claimed, warning that it could well succeed in its efforts.
READ MORE: Musk denies he spoke to Putin about Ukraine
“Starlink is the primary communications system of the Ukrainian army on the war front. If anyone else wants this job, please be my guest,” he wrote.

 

[kp kipanya44]

Nawabatiza Kwa Moto ,si wanajitoa akili na kuita watu mashoga baada ya kuzidiwa hoja ?

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[mtarimbo]

Newly mobilised Russian soldiers already returning in coffins​

James Kilner
Fri, October 14, 2022, 7:20 PM·2 min read
In this article:

• 
  
  Vladimir Putin
  President of Russia

A Russian conscript hugs family members - MAXIM SHIPENKOV/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock
Coffins containing the bodies of men conscripted by the Kremlin just last month are already being flown back to Russia from Ukraine.
Pro-war Russian bloggers said that the death of conscripts barely three weeks after Vladimir Putin ordered a mobilisation showed just how shambolic the process had been.
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[kp kipanya44]

Newly mobilised Russian soldiers already returning in coffins​

James Kilner
Fri, October 14, 2022, 7:20 PM·2 min read
In this article:

• 
  
  Vladimir Putin
  President of Russia

A Russian conscript hugs family members - MAXIM SHIPENKOV/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock
Coffins containing the bodies of men conscripted by the Kremlin just last month are already being flown back to Russia from Ukraine.
Pro-war Russian bloggers said that the death of conscripts barely three weeks after Vladimir Putin ordered a mobilisation showed just how shambolic the process had been.
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Tuliwaambia wazi pro Russia kwamba hao vijana wa mobilization wanaenda kuwa rutuba Halali ya mazao huko ukraine

Huwezi kuokota wavuta bangi mitaani ukawapa mafunzo ya kijeshi wiki 1, alafu ukawapelaka front line..,hao unakuwa umewapa hukumu ya kifo automatically

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[Jesus Mlokozi]

UJUE RUSSIA ANAWAFINYA KIMYA KIMYA.

‼️Elon Musk said that Russia is trying to "kill" the Starlink satellite Internet system in Ukraine, it may stop working, despite the resources invested in its protection.

 

[Bome-e]

Newly mobilised Russian soldiers already returning in coffins​

James Kilner
Fri, October 14, 2022, 7:20 PM·2 min read
In this article:

• 
  
  Vladimir Putin
  President of Russia

A Russian conscript hugs family members - MAXIM SHIPENKOV/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock
Coffins containing the bodies of men conscripted by the Kremlin just last month are already being flown back to Russia from Ukraine.
Pro-war Russian bloggers said that the death of conscripts barely three weeks after Vladimir Putin ordered a mobilisation showed just how shambolic the process had been.
"

Hizo ni propaganda mfu,watu waliokuwa mobilized Bado hawajawa deployed!Putin amesema in two weeks ndio watakuwa wamefuzu!

 

[Bome-e]

Tuliwaambia wazi pro Russia kwamba hao vijana wa mobilization wanaenda kuwa rutuba Halali ya mazao huko ukraine

Huwezi kuokota wavuta bangi mitaani ukawapa mafunzo ya kijeshi wiki 1, alafu ukawapelaka front line..,hao unakuwa umewapa hukumu ya kifo automatically

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Muwe mnapima habari kabla ya kukurupuka kujibu!Tatizo habari yoyote mbaya Kwa Russia mnaichukulia kama ndio ukweli hata kama kuna ukakasi!
Putin mwenyewe kasema Jana in two weeks wale watu laki 2 na ishirini waliokuwa mobilized ndio watafuzu mafunzo!So hiyo Inamaana Bado wako training!

 

[mtarimbo]

Hizo ni propaganda mfu,watu waliokuwa mobilized Bado hawajawa deployed!Putin amesema in two weeks ndio watakuwa wamefuzu!

Huna taarifa

 

[Bome-e]

Huna taarifa

Taarifa ndio hiyo!

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Elon ni tajiri wa Kimarekani.

Atarusha lini nuclear huyu kenge Putin, mbona anaongea tu, arushe.

Wewe Mtindiga mmoja masikini usie na mbele wala nyuma,ukoo wako wote wewe pekee ndie unaejua kuandika na kusoma humu JF eti unamwita mwamba Putin "Kenge"!
Putin mtu amabe Jarida la Forbes mara nyingi limekua limtangaza kua mtu mwenye nguvu Zaid ulimwenguni,hata akiwafunika Bush,Obama na Marais na Viongozi wengine wa Dunia.
Ama kweli mswahili kwa kujitia mjuaji hajambo.

CV ya Putin ni tamu kuliko cv za Marais wote duniani kwa kipindi hiki.
Chunguza.

 

[mtarimbo]

Taarifa ndio hiyo!

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From Mobilization to Death in 10 Days: Russia’s Draftees Killed in Ukraine​

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By Leyla Latypova
Updated: 16 hours ago

Mobilized soldiers fighting in Ukraine.Stanislav Krasilnikov / TASS
St. Petersburg lawyer Andrei Nikiforov was drafted into the Russian army four days after Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a “partial” mobilization in a bid to solve the military’s manpower problems in the ongoing Ukraine war.
Less than two weeks later, Nikiforov became one of the first mobilized men to be killed as Ukraine pushed forward with its successful counteroffensive.
“His sister received the draft paper,” Alexander Zelensky, president of the Neva Bar Association of which Nikiforov was a member, told The Moscow Times. “He notified me about it, gathered his belongings the next day and went to the training center.”
Human rights lawyer Pavel Chikov wrote on Telegram on Thursday that Nikiforov was killed near the occupied Ukrainian city of Lysychansk on Oct. 7.
“He was a good person, honest and brave,” said Zelensky.
Reports of mobilized soldiers dying in Ukraine — from lawyers such as Nikiforov to residents of far-flung Siberian villages and even former Moscow officials — have emerged with increasing rapidity in recent days, suggesting that new soldiers have been thrown into battle with minimal training.
Three mobilized men aged 32, 40 and 42 from Siberia’s Krasnoyarsk region died in Ukraine on Oct. 8, local media reported Friday.
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Andrei Nikiforov. t.me/pchikov "]https://static.themoscowtimes.com/image/1360/70/photo_2022-10-12_23-39-44.jpg[/IMG]Andrei Nikiforov.t.me/pchikov
ll three of the men were reportedly killed exactly 10 days after they were drafted.
And local authorities in Russia’s Chelyabinsk region, near the Ural mountains, confirmed Thursday the death of five mobilized men from the region’s Korkino district.
“We are mourning with the relatives and express our deepest and most sincere condolences,” said a spokesperson for the region's governor, Alexei Teksler, local news outlet 74.ru reported.
But the deaths in Chelyabinsk also caused outrage on social media, with some locals asking why the men appeared not to have been given any training.
“Does Teksler, perhaps, have a desire to check why the boys ended up at the front lines in just a week and died with no training and no necessary equipment?” user Anyuta Stepanova wrote in response to a post about the deaths on social network VKontakte.
When announcing mobilization on Sept. 21, Putin pledged that all men drafted into the army would receive extra training before being sent to the front.
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Mobilized soldiers in Ukraine. Stanislav Krasilnikov / TASS "]https://static.themoscowtimes.com/image/1360/73/TASS_55180838.jpg[/IMG]Mobilized soldiers in Ukraine.Stanislav Krasilnikov / TASS
Despite confirming the number of dead draftees, the Chelyabinsk authorities neither revealed the circumstances of the death nor the names of the five soldiers — fueling panic among locals who hadn’t received any news from mobilized relatives.
“People haven’t been able to reach [their relatives] since Oct. 3,” one user, Irina Baumgertner, wrote in a comment under a post about the deaths.

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“Don’t spread fake news. Have some compassion for the wives and mothers who are waiting for the boys and have no contact with them,” said user Katerina Korytkina.
The number of mobilized men to have been killed in Ukraine is likely to be far higher than the handful of names so far publicly confirmed.
The announcements are not made according to when the soldier was killed on the battlefield, according to Valentina Grebenik, executive secretary for the Union of the Committees of Soldiers’ Mothers of Russia.
“The body has to be brought back to Russia… the [necessary] documents completed and only after that will they notify the families,” she told The Moscow Times.
Even Kremlin loyalists have expressed concern about the lack of training provided to mobilized men, some of whom appear to not have had any prior military experience.
The deputy editor-in-chief of Russia’s state-run RT Natalya Loseva confirmed Thursday the death of Alexei Martynov, 28, the former head of a Moscow city government department who was mobilized shortly after Putin’s announcement and died 17 days later.
“He had zero combat experience. He was sent to the frontlines just several days after he was drafted,” Loseva wrote on Telegram.
“Military officials, this is not the time to lie.”

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Funeral for Alexei Martynov. Loseva "]https://static.themoscowtimes.com/image/1360/28/121212121.jpg[/IMG]Funeral for Alexei Martynov.https://t.me/sevenandmedia
Russia has drafted 222,000 reservists in the three weeks since mobilization began, Putin told journalists at a press conference Friday in Kazakhstan, adding that mobilization will end in a couple of weeks when the number of drafted men reaches 300,000.
Though many observers have speculated coffins with the bodies of the mobilized soldiers could spark discontent, that tipping point appeared to be a distant prospect.
Several relatives of killed mobilized men declined to speak to The Moscow Times.
And, in the Chelyabinsk region, many locals commenting online expressed their “pride” in the “heroes” who had died for a rightful cause.
“Knowing my compatriots, I understand that they are, of course, mourning the loss with every fiber of their heart,” Alexander Kerdan, who lives in the same district as the men who were killed and composed a poem in their honor, told The Moscow Times. “But they are also proud of their sons and brothers who courageously fulfilled their military duty.”
The reaction of people to the deaths of mobilized soldiers will depend on how fast the bodies are returned to Russia, according to independent military analyst Pavel Luzin.
“Given the fact that the least outspoken, most complacent and most legally illiterate were sent to the frontlines first, no quick reaction should be expected from their social circles,” Luzin told The Moscow Times.
“But it is possible that the next ones are going to understand what is happening to them much quicker.”

Leyla Latypova​

l.latypova@themoscowtimes.com @LatypovaLeyla

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[kt the irreplaceable]

Mkuu FUSO hawa kenge umeona kabisa hoja hawana, hawaongelei chochote frontline.

Ati leo wanasifia mpaka starlink ya USA kwamba Elon haisupport kama sehemu ya kujipa credit wakati hawapendi chochote kutoka USA! Starlink inafanya kazi na itakuwa financed. Walitaka Elon assuport bure mpaka lini ?

Mimi nawaacha, nitarudi hapa siku zero brain mtumia nguvu Putin akirusha nuclear. Majibu ya kitakachompata watakuwa nayo tayari.

Putin alivyo mjinga amekuwa provoked kupitia daraja la Kerch akjaa mazima, response yake ya kupiga ovyo raia ilitegemewa, halafu watu wenye akili wakatengeneza justification ya kuisaidia Ukraine kwa kuongeza nguvu za kijeshi, including Germany ambayo ilikuwa iansuasua kwa sababu ya makubaliano yake na Russia, hasa ya kibiashara na kidiplomasia.

Rafiki yako anapigwa ngumi za uso, damu na jasho zinamtoka, ananyang'anywa baadhi ya mali zake, wewe ambaye anakutegemea una nguvu, unampa ndala kama silaha ili ajitetee... baadaye unamwambia mie sina ugomvi na adui yako ndio maana siingilii ugomvi, ila huyo adui yako akijiroga akupige na nyundo, ndio ntaingilia ugomvi. Je kwa akili yako rafiki yupo serious, au anakuzuga na yeye ni muoga?

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Hahaha nilicheka sana wakati wa sakata la yule bibi Pelos kwenda Taiwan

Marekani akaishawishi Taiwan isimuuzie Mchina semi conductors

Kumbe cha ajabu moja ya material muhimu sana kwenye kutengeneza hizo semi conductors ni aina fulani ya natural sand, unaoitwa quartz sand ambao unatoka China (PRC) na Wachina ndio exporters wakubwa duniani wa huo mchanga.

China akasema sawa basi na mimi napiga ban mchanga huo usivuke bahari kwenda Taiwan (ROC)

Mpaka leo Taiwan na Marekani wako kimya 🤣🤣🤣

Ha ha haa,
Marekani hajawahi kua na akili hata siku moja,
Utajiri wake ni WA ujanjaujanja,utapeli,dhuluma,wizi na uonevu.
Marekani kihistoria ni ma pirates,
Walivamia nchi ya Red Indians wakaidhulumu,
Kisha wakaanza kudhulumiana Mali wenywe kwa wenyewe hapa ndio wale ma "cow boy" walipokua wakiwaibia Mali kibabe watu wengine.

Sasa hapa Leo hii Marekani wamewashawishi West waiwekee vikwazo Urusi matokeo yake Urusi ndio inaonekana kuwaweka wao,wanaoteseka ni west.
Ukija kwa maelezo Yako Marekani kamshawishi Taiwani asimuuzie china bidhaa hizo,ili kumkomoa china,
Kumbe bidhaa hiyo inategemea malighafi kutoka china,kwa hiyo china nae kabana kumuuzia Taiwani hiyo malighafi.
Sasa hapa anaeumia ni Taiwani kwa sababu hatazalisha bidhaa hiyo na hataweza kuyauzia mataifa mengine.
Hao ndio Marekani.