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Pakistani Wachochea Moto na India

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  1. Ab-Titchaz

    Ab-Titchaz Content Manager Staff Member

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    hawa jamaa wa Pakistan ni washari mno.Hebu tizama wanavyowaletea
    nyodo India kulingana na haya mauaji ya juzi.

    Pakistan won't hand suspects to India

    by Claire Cozens Claire Cozens – 3 mins ago


    Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi in Islamabad

    ISLAMABAD (AFP) – Pakistan said Tuesday it would not hand over any suspects in the Mumbai bombings to India and warned that while it wanted peace with its neighbour, it was ready for war if New Delhi decided to attack.

    The remarks come amid mounting tensions between the nuclear-armed neighbours after India said it is keeping all options open following last month's carnage in Mumbai, where 172 people were killed and more than 300 wounded.

    "We do not want to impose war, but we are fully prepared in case war is imposed on us," Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said.

    "We are not oblivious to our responsibilities to defend our homeland. But it is our desire that there should be no war."

    Indian officials say the hardline Lashkar-e-Taiba group, which is based in Pakistan despite being banned by the government, is behind the bloodshed, and Indian media have suggested there could be Indian strikes on militant camps.

    Qureshi said he was sending "a very clear message" that his country did not want conflict with India.

    "We want friendship, we want peace and we want stability -- but our desire for peace should not be considered Pakistan's weakness."

    The minister also said that India's demands for the extradition of suspects in the Mumbai attacks were out of the question and that Pakistan, which has arrested 16 people since Saturday, would keep them on home soil.

    "The arrests are being made for our own investigations. Even if allegations are proved against any suspect, he will not be handed over to India," Qureshi said. "We will proceed against those arrested under Pakistani laws."

    India and Pakistan have fought three wars since independence from Britain and nearly came to a fourth in 2001 after an attack on the Indian parliament that was blamed on Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), which means Army of the Pious.

    Under international pressure to act, Pakistan on Sunday raided a camp run by a charity, Jamaat-ud-Dawa, that many believe has close links to Lashkar-e-Taiba, and arrested 15 people.

    The charity is headed by LeT's founder Hafiz Saeed.

    The LeT has been banned by Pakistan, but India accuses Islamabad of not cracking down on the group, which was established to fight Indian rule in Kashmir and has past links to Pakistani intelligence services and Al-Qaeda.

    Saeed on Monday condemned the arrests, saying the Pakistan government had shown "weakness by targeting Kashmiri organisations."

    Two of the three India-Pakistan wars were fought over disputed Kashmir, which is controlled in part but claimed in whole by both nations, and the United States in particular has urged calm after the bloodshed in Mumbai.

    Pakistan authorities were meanwhile said to be questioning a 16th man, Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, who was arrested Saturday. Indian media say the lone surviving attacker named him as a key planner behind the Mumbai attacks.

    India has said that all 10 of the gunmen who carried out the brazen assault on Mumbai, the country's financial capital, were from Pakistan.

    The attackers, some of whom arrived by boat, targeted two luxury hotels, a hospital, a Jewish centre and other sites. They managed to hold off Indian security forces for 60 hours before nine were killed and one was captured.

    Referring to the arrests in Pakistan, the United States -- which counts Pakistan as a vital ally in the "war on terror" -- on Monday welcomed what it said were "some positive steps" taken by Islamabad.

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    Profile: Lashkar-e-Taiba ​


    Lashkar-e-Taiba was founded by Hafiz Mohammad Saeed

    Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba (Soldiers of the Pure) is one of the most feared groups fighting against Indian control in Kashmir.

    Pakistan's then president, Pervez Musharraf, banned Lashkar-e-Taiba, along with four other Islamic groups, in January 2002 amid pressure that followed the 11 September, 2001 attacks in the US.

    Until then Lashkar, with its reputation for being purely focused on fighting India in Kashmir, was able to operate openly inside Pakistan, raising funds and recruiting members.

    Almost every shop in the main bazaar of every Pakistani town, large or small, had a Lashkar collection box to raise funds for the struggle in Kashmir.

    Anti-US banner

    Laskhar had no involvement in sectarian attacks in Pakistan and its leaders were often critical of other militant groups operating in Kashmir and Afghanistan who also took part in the sectarian Sunni-Shia bloodshed within Pakistan.


    Police detain two Lashkar-e-Taiba suspects in Delhi

    Problems arose, however, when some breakaway Lashkar members began to disagree with President Musharraf's strategy - post 9/11 - and were blamed for anti-government attacks in Pakistan.

    In the months after 9/11, these breakaway factions of militant groups started to come together under a loose anti-US banner.

    This meant that Lashkar members came into contact with sectarian groups which previously it has so disdained.

    After the ban, the government did not try to break up Lashkar but restricted the movements of its leaders, while its members were told to keep a low profile.

    By mid-2002 it reportedly renamed itself Jama'at ud Dawa (Party of the Calling).

    It said it would continue its activities in Pakistani-administered Kashmir, but India believes the group is now more factionalised.

    Lashkar was blamed for bomb attacks in the Indian capital Delhi in October 2005 that killed more than 60 people.

    India also says it was involved in the most audacious attack on Indian soil in December 2001. The armed raid on India's parliament - allegedly carried out along with another Kashmiri militant group, Jaish-e-Mohammed - brought India and Pakistan to the brink of all-out war.

    Lashkar has not admitted carrying out those attacks. But it does claim responsibility for attacking one of the country's most famous landmarks - the army barracks at the Red Fort in Delhi in 2000 in which three people died.

    The massive earthquake in the region in October 2005 affected its fortunes as it was again allowed openly to collect funds in Pakistan, officially for reconstruction work. Many of their offices reopened and its members played a prominent role in rebuilding work.

    War threat

    Since Lashkar's rise to prominence nearly 10 years ago, it has often been blamed by India for carrying out armed attacks, not only in Kashmir, but elsewhere in India.

    The most recent occasion when suspicions over a possible Lashkar connection to a militant attack in India is the attacks in Mumbai in November 2008 which killed at least 188 people.

    Police also accused it of carrying out deadly explosions in Mumbai in August 2003 that killed 55 people and injured 180.

    Until its ban in 2002, Lashkar had never been shy of accepting responsibility for most of the armed attacks against Indian military targets.

    However, it always denied killing civilians, maintaining that such a tactic was against the organisation's religious beliefs.

    Parent organisation

    The Lashkar-e-Taiba was formed soon after the birth of its parent religious organisation, Markaz Dawa ul Irshad in the late 1980s.

    The Markaz (Centre for Preaching) was set up in the town of Muridke, outside Lahore by a former professor of engineering at the University of Punjab, Hafiz Mohammed Saeed.

    Spread over several hectares, the Markaz soon became known for preaching hardline views on Islam.

    Some of its annual congregations attracted as many as 100,000 people, during which calls were made for jihad or holy war.

    By 1994 Lashkar-e-Taiba had emerged as the militant wing of the organisation.

    Unlike most other Kashmir militant groups, a majority of its members were non-Kashmiri, and its headquarters were also based in Pakistan.

    Lashkar generally shunned the alliance of the Kashmiri militant groups known as Muttehadda Jihad Council or the United Jihad Council, preferring to act alone.

    Initially it was ignored by most other groups, but earned their respect once it introduced the concept of "Fedayaeen fighters" to carry out daring attacks against the Indian troops.

    BBC NEWS | South Asia | Profile: Lashkar-e-Taiba
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    Hawa wote wapuuzi tu kila mmoja anawafund terrorist wa upande mmoja wanakwenda kushanbulia kila upande.
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    unaona possibility ya vita hapa?
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    de only tantalaizin swali kwenye mtima wa moyo wangu ni iweje marekani awe ndani ya game btn hizi nchi mbili??hadi condoleza rice kutumwa kwenda??

    pili je si marekani hao hao walikua wanatumia air base ya pakistan wakati wa vita ya kumsaka osama?sasa mbona leo ni kama wako upande wa india??looh mr bush hebu malizaga siku zako vyema tu asije waza anzisha vita nyingine b4 jan 20
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    Mkuu kumbuka Pakistan wanaendeshwa mbio mbio na waasi uko karibia na mpaka na Afghanistan so sidhani kama wataanzisha vita, isitoshe their economy is in the toilet at the moment.
    India kwa upande mwingine hawawezi kuanzisha vita maana itakuwa kama wanawasaidia Taliban na Al Qaeda kuiangusha serikali ya Pakistan so kiusalama India watakuwa wamejichimbia kaburi.
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    Nyie mliojibu apo juu... jamani, mbona mnasahau hizi nchi mbili zina silaha za 'nyuki_lia'. Wakipambana, vita vitamwagika nje ya nchi hizi mbili.

    * Mie sipendi vile nchi za magharibi hutakaga kuamua nani awe na hizi silaha na nani asiwe nazo, lakini hizi nchi mbili kuwa nazo zinanitisha... Paki hana stability, wanaua kina Bhutto na wengineo kwa sababu labda wanaamua si waIslam 'extreme'... India naye ana tamaa kubwa ya kuwa 'super power' lakini bado wanatenda vituko mbioni kabla ya kuchunguza na kufikiria matokeo. Si juzijuzi tu walitangaza wamevamia ma-pirates, afu tukasikia walivamia watu ambao hawakuwa pirates. Pia kuna habari zinazosema wao walionywa kuhusiana na uvamizi wa hii inayoitwa 9/11 yao, lakini hawaku-act ama react kuzuia...
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    Zardari rejects Mumbai 'claims'

    Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has said there is still no firm proof that gunmen who attacked the Indian city of Mumbai came from Pakistan.

    US, Indian and British officials all say there is clear evidence suggesting the attacks originated in terrorist training camps inside Pakistan.

    But speaking to the BBC, Mr Zardari said there was still no conclusive evidence to substantiate the claim.

    However he promised Pakistan would take action if a link was proved.

    More than 170 people died in last month's attacks in Mumbai (Bombay), which India blamed on the Lashka-e-Taiba militant group.

    Full investigation

    Mr Zardari told the BBC's Alan Little in Islamabad that Pakistan was prepared to act if adequate evidence of any Pakistani complicity in the attacks emerged.

    "If that stage comes, and when it comes, I assure you that our parliament, our democracy, shall take the action properly deemed in our constitution and in our law," he said.

    He said that Western intelligence agencies had not offered firm evidence to justify claims that the attacks were orchestrated from Pakistani soil and that he would not jump to conclusions until a full investigation had been conducted.

    Mr Zardari said claims that the sole surviving attacker had been identified by his own father as coming from Pakistan had not been proven. The man has been named as Mohammed Ajmal Amir Qasab and is in Indian police custody.

    The Pakistani president also said Hafiz Saeed, the leader of the Jamaat-ud-Dawa charity, would remain under house arrest.


    Pakistan says that terrorism is a common enemy ​

    "Let me assure you that if there is any investigation to be found pointing towards his involvement in any form of terrorism, he shall be tried for that reason," the president said.

    Jamaat-ud-Dawa is accused of being a front for Lashkar-e-Taiba, a charge it denies.

    Mr Zardari said that he had asked India to co-operate in an investigation and he would not leap to judgement while that investigation was continuing.

    He said that while he was not in denial about Lashkar-e-Taiba's continued activities, ''when you ban an organisation they emerge in some other form''.


    Meanwhile, Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi has expressed regret after his Indian counterpart said peace moves between the countries were on hold because of the Mumbai attacks.

    But Mr Qureshi said relations between the two countries - which both have nuclear arms - would recover.

    "This unfortunate incident has been a setback... to the extent that our composite dialogue is at a pause at the moment," Mr Qureshi said.

    "But I am confident that we will overcome this hiccup... the future of Pakistan demands good neighbourly relations with India, so it's my responsibility to develop good bilateral relations."

    Mr Qureshi said that the two countries had a "common objective, a common challenge and a common enemy" in relation to "terrorism".

    BBC NEWS | South Asia | Zardari rejects Mumbai 'claims'