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Kenya Navy Submarine ship ''MV JASIRI'' finally to sail home

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by kayundi2, Feb 8, 2012.

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    kayundi2 JF-Expert Member

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    The naval ship that was at the centre of controversy over its association with the Anglo Leasing scandals could finally be sailing to its Kenya Navy base.
    The Kenya Defence Force confirmed on Tuesday that a team was already in Spain finalising negotiations with the suppliers, Euromarine Industries for delivery of the Sh4.6 billion warship.

    “Negotiations are at a very advanced stage to have the ship delivered. Our officers from the Kenya Navy and the State Law office have been negotiating with the suppliers and we will soon have it delivered,” Department of Defence Director of Communications Bogita Ongeri responded to an enquiry by Daily Nation.

    The ship, already christened Jasiri Mombasa might help bolster the Kenya Navy’s firepower in the war against Somali terrorist group, Al-Shabaab, though the military on Tuesday maintained that the campaign could be won without it.

    The navy has been securing Kenya’s coastline from infiltration by the terrorist group and keeping a check on Somali pirate gangs in the Indian ocean.

    Mr Ongeri was, however, categorical that expected delivery of the ship had nothing to do with the ongoing war against Al-Shabaab.

    “The negotiations have been going on long before the military operation in Somalia started, we have enough resources for that particular task,” stated Mr Ongeri.

    The contract to secure the ship was signed in July 2003 and it was one of the 18 contentious security contracts generally described as ‘Anglo-Leasing’.

    The supplier later sub-contracted the ship’s construction to another Spanish firm known as Astilleros Gondan.

    Payments on this contract were stopped in June 2005 after then Permanent Secretary for Governance and Ethics, Mr John Githongo blew the whistle on the Anglo Leasing contracts.

    The supplier then sued the Government for withholding payments. Mr Ongeri on Tuesday said the renewed negotiations followed a report by the Parliamentary Committee for Defence and Foreign Relations in September 2006.

    “The committee gave the contract a clean bill of health so what remains is for our officers to finalise negotiations so that the ship is delivered. We hope to complete that very soon,” he stated.

    The committee, chaired by then Laikipia West MP GG Kariuki went on a fact finding tour of Spain where the ship is docked and held meetings with the suppliers before preparing its report.

    The report, adopted by Parliament in May 2007, was heavily criticised by civil society groups which accused the committee of taking part in a cover-up to swindle the Kenyan tax-payer of billions of shillings.

    Independent anti-graft watchdog Mars Group questioned why the Parliament committee did not meet with the Attorney General or scrutinise the legal and financial contracts to satisfy itself that procurement rules were followed and that the ship was value for money.
    The ship has been described as converted oceanographic survey vessel is used for investigative duties such as submarine and mine detection, as well as weapon trailing.
    It is a 1,400 tonne frigate, 85 metres long and 13 metres wide at the hull with a maximum speed of 28 knots, about 51 kilometres per hour. There has been no information on the type of weapons it carries.
     
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    KNS Jasiri Mombasa

    KNS Jasiri Mombasa buque de vigilancia e hidrografico de la marina de Kenia, amarrado desde hace casi tres años en el puerto de Sada (A Coruña )en espera de que se termine de armar las piezas de artilleria y la electronica que se ivan a colocar en Ribadeo,puerto en donde terminan estos buques los Astilleros Gondan
    Construido en Astilleros Gondan ( Figueras-Asturias) no se pago totalmente porque existe un conflicto ante la corte internacional por discrepancias con la marina de Kenia, por motivos relacionados con el diseño del buque (85 metros).
    Rumor: Hay problemas legales con este buque, algo relacionado con corrupción en Kenia y falta de pago que han probocado un embargo del mismo por parte de las autoridades españolas y se dice que este buque pueda acabar como patrullero de la Guardia Civil del Mar o en el sevicio de Aduanas.
    (Se dice esto porque el barco es muy parecido al buque de Aduanas "Fulmar 1")

    Source: KNS Jasiri Mombasa | Flickr - Photo Sharing!


    In short this so called 'submarine' is a mere:

     
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    so..., is it for military purposes au oceanographic survey?? Au mie apa ndo sjaelewa..., nchi chache sana zina military submarines africa....,
     
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    Mbona wakenya wanahangaika sana na silaha kalikali kuna nini??
     
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    Wanataka kuwa wababe nchi za Afrika Mashariki
     
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    Waambie wakamuulize Idd Amini, halfu basi ndo waendelee
     
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    hawana lolote..., propaganda tu.yaani niamini mm nikikwambia hapa africa mashariki katika jeshi ambalo halina makamanda kwenye uwanja wa medani basi ni KDF..., hata leo waseme zipigwe na mganda.., mkenya anapigwa vizuuuri na mavifaa yote alonayo..., hua nasisitiza sana hapa, experience matters big time! Kule wamejaa staff officers tu..

    Kuiskia smg imewekwa rapid afu inalizwa kuja upande wako afu kamanda unatakiwa ufanye maamuzi.., si mambo ya masihara hayo!

    Sights and sounds of the battlefield lazma kamanda awe amezizoea..., watu wanavyotaharuki, harufu ya baruti, vinanda vikilizwa nk

    Sisi tulipigana vita kadhaa..,(include covert-ops).., kwa sasa kwa sbb hakuna vita.., mabwana vita pale upanga wakaona vijana wa sasa na makamanda watakua hawana battlefield experience.., wakaamua ku-secure peace-keeping missions za darfur na lebanon kwa rotation kubwa at least kila kamanda kijana na askari apate piece of action..., ukiskia janjaweed anapiga kinanda cha ak 47 zaidi ya masaa matatu.., tayari inakuondoa uoga wa vita na kujenga confidence ya kufanya maamuzi under pressure.mkenya kaja kustuka kumepambazuka..., anyways mtoto huanza kutambaa kwanza ndo anatembea
     
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    moshe dayan, nakuaminia kwenye mambo haya. Waambie jamaa.
     
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    I find it funny that we have a group in the forums that is always down-talking other armed forces, and the reason they use is the TPDF experience. Now lets consider the facts, the last time TPDF fought an all out war, was in 1978/79 if we assume that the youngest soldier was 15 years of age, the youngest age to volunteer, the today they would be 48/49 (assuming they volunteered that same year).

    Now also consider that the "average" max military age is around 50 (TPDF's I believe is 49). these experienced personnel have either retired or have a year to go, and even if they have not retired they are of no age to be on the field.

    So the only thing we have left is the training they have passed down to the new blood. It just so happens that they are not the only ones training all the other armies are training as well, and I would rightfully assume that army training is not based on the experience of a single encounter but rather on knowledge gathered from multiple and varied encounters between various different types armed forces (including TPDF). There is a reason people still study the armies and styles of the Romans, the Chinese, the Japanese, Shaka's army and even guerrilla tactics to name a few.

    I strongly believe one cannot judge the strength of any army for that matter by observing a few parameters. It goes deeper than that.
     
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    well..., u said it well, the knowledge they pass to the youngsters, afterall, u forgot, after the uganda-tz war..., we were in mozambique, helping them agaisnt neo-colonoalists boers and portugees, we were in angola, namibia, zimbabwe, congo in recent memories,

    Where were you? Do you know why the libeartion arm of the former OAU was in tz?

    The current force gets experience in darfur, lebanon and comorro...,

    And the knowledge and experince is passed on.....,
     
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    usisahau liberia pia tulikuwapo pale..., sjui mnakuaga wapi wenzetu,
     
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    kns jasiri.jpg

    mbona wa tz munapenda kukanyaga blanketi?
     
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    Archaic war principles and tactics sio?! Vietnam or John Rambo like operations fighting with AK47s nyuma ya miti?! Dafur where exactly because I have go-ogled and cannot seem to find your operations there. Uganda vs TZ war was a conglomeration of three countries namely Congo, Angola and uganda soldiers.
     
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    ila tusiseme uongo jeshi liko kwa kagame hapo,jamaa wako fit anga hizo kila idara.halafu mayanki tu no vitambi na wakkinuna wanatembeza chekeche km wamelogwa,we soma au ulizia mziki wao hapo kwa wakongo wanavyowafanyia wahutu interahamwe
     
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    hakuna uadui kati ya Kenya na Tanzania...is there any need for this kind of talk?
     
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    I would suggest that you find and read "unscathed" by Major Phil Ashby of the Royal Marine Commandos...very instructive about the capabilities of some troops that you don't seem to rate!
     
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    an armed force without any significant air lift capacity and no air support or superiority capability like RPF cannot face one which has those. They may be very fierce against rag tag rebels but would not trouble any real army.
     
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    Now if you read my post I said "an all out war", not battles that were fought in conjunction with other forces. The only country in east Africa that has the bragging rites for that would be Uganda.

    Going by your yard stick then almost all nations in EA qualify since they have been involved in battles at one point or another.

    So choose your argument, is it that TZ has experience in War, or is it that TZ has experience in battles. If your argument is the former then the points in my previous post hold true, not only that but also consider that since then other armies have had time to study TZ's tactics. If your argument is the latter then that does not give TZ a major advantage over other EA Countries since they too have had their share be it individually, through AU, or UN.

    If your argument is that both give TZ and added advantage then I would agree with you but to an extent. You would have to show that TZ was able to use lessons learned during those days, to alter their tactics so their moves are not predictable today, not only that but also show that the knowledge was then adequately and accurately passed down to the current generation of commanders and then show that current commanders are integrating lessons learned today with past knowledge in improving the training of TPDF.

    If it can be shown that all of the above is true then I will agree that TPDF is an army to be reckoned with in EA., otherwise TPDF cannot claim to be better than any other DF in EA.
     
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    mmekuja wakenya na propaganda zenu huh! kuna kamtu juu hapo hata hajui TPDF ipo darfur..., anadai amegoogle hajaona!!

    u ask for too much.., ombeni game ya kirafiki basi....,
     
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    I don't now if you followed this thread? Some people were talking like you...I exposed them. I've got more photos like the ones I posted on that thread :)
     
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