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Israel approves new building in East Jerusalem

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    In this July 19, 2009 file photo, a Palestinian woman walks outside the Shepherd Hotel in East


    JERUSALEM – The Jerusalem municipality has approved 20 new apartments for Jews in an Arab neighborhood of east Jerusalem, the city said Wednesday, in a move that could stir a new diplomatic crisis with the United States just as Israel's leader is in Washington on a fence-mending visit.

    The announcement marked the second time this month that Israel has announced new construction in the disputed section of the holy city during face-to-face meetings between top U.S. and Israeli officials.

    The Obama administration is seeking "clarification" of the latest building plan and continues to believe Israeli construction in Jerusalem is destructive to the Mideast peace process, said White House spokesman Tommy Vietor.

    Israeli lawmaker Eitan Cabel accused Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of unnecessarily provoking the U.S.

    "Is this another 'unfortunate' mistake? Is this another 'misunderstanding?'" said Cabel, a member of the Labor Party, which sits in the governing coalition.

    "Netanyahu decided to spit into Obama's eye, this time from up close. He and his pyromaniac ministers insist on setting the Middle East ablaze."

    On Wednesday evening, Israel's Channel 10 TV reported that an additional 200 apartments were approved last month for private land near the first 20. A Jerusalem official said the proposal was brought to one of the planning bodies by a private group, but not to the city, which would have to approve it. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because no decision has been made.

    The U.S. views Israeli building in east Jerusalem, the part of the city claimed by Palestinians as their future capital, as disruptive to Mideast peacemaking. Israel, which captured east Jerusalem in the 1967 Mideast war, insists the city cannot be divided and says it has the right to build anywhere.

    These differences erupted into a crisis earlier this month when Israel announced during a visit by Vice President Joe Biden that it plans to build 1,600 new apartments for Jews in east Jerusalem.

    Israel has apologized for the poor timing of the announcement but rejected calls to cancel the project. In Washington this week, Netanyahu reiterated his tough stance, telling a pro-Israel audience that Israel was determined to keep building in all of Jerusalem. The statement was quickly rejected by the U.S.

    Netanyahu met with President Barack Obama on Tuesday in an attempt to defuse what has become the countries' worst spat in decades. But the latest announcement, confirmed Wednesday, by Jerusalem city officials threatened to derail any progress. In Washington, Netanyahu spokesman Mark Regev had no comment on the approval for the new building project.

    Netanyahu's talks with Obama administration officials were scheduled in continue Wednesday.

    The new project threatens to be even more contentious than the earlier one because it is located in Sheikh Jarrah - an Arab neighborhood in the heart of east Jerusalem. Past efforts to move Jewish residents into Arab neighborhoods have often led to protests and even violence.

    The project - funded by Jewish American millionaire Irving Moskowitz, a longtime patron of Jewish settler groups - calls for tearing down part of an old hotel, the Shepherd, and building 20 apartments and a three-level underground parking lot instead.

    Word of the approval was leaked to an Israeli Web site minutes before Netanyahu met with Obama at the White House on Tuesday.

    Netanyahu, who has demanded that he be personally informed about any east Jerusalem construction projects before they are approved, was caught off guard by the announcement, according to a top aide, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter with the press.

    It was unclear whether the issue came up in the White House meetings.

    Peace Now, an Israeli anti-settlement watchdog, discovered the latest building plan.

    "It seems that the municipality of Jerusalem has it own policy that might be devastating for the peace process and Netanyahu wasn't clear enough in order to stop them from allowing further provocation in east Jerusalem," said Peace Now spokeswoman Hagit Ofran.

    Jerusalem city officials have tried to play down the project as a zoning issue.

    Mayor Nir Barkat says he is committed to bettering the city for all residents, but vociferously opposes the notion of sharing sovereignty over the city. He has repeatedly said he will continue to promote housing construction in all parts of the city.

    City spokesman Gidi Schmerling said the project was approved last July, and the recent approval was merely a procedural step after developers paid a final fee for some paperwork. He said media reports were blowing the matter out of proportion, saying they were "meant to create a provocation during the prime minister's visit in the U.S."

    Netanyahu aide Nir Hefez said in a statement that there are no limits to Jerusalem real-estate deals. "Jews and Arabs can freely buy private properties in all parts of Jerusalem, and they do," he said, adding that approval of the Shepherd Hotel project came last year, and there was nothing new now.

    At the time of the approval last July, the U.S. demanded that Israel suspend the project and even summoned Israel's ambassador to Washington over the issue.

    Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat condemned the plan, and said it damaged Israel's credibility as a peace partner.

    "There is growing international frustration with Israel over the actions and decisions it is taking," Erekat said. "Israel is digging itself into a hole that it will have to climb out of if it is serious about peace. There is overwhelming international consensus on the illegality of Israel's settlements, including in east Jerusalem, and the damage they are doing to the two-state solution."

    Israel annexed east Jerusalem after capturing it in the 1967 Mideast war, but the move was never recognized internationally. The international community sees Jewish neighborhoods in east Jerusalem as no different from settlements in the West Bank.

    Nearly 300,000 Israelis live in West Bank settlements, in addition to about 180,000 Israelis living in Jewish neighborhoods in east Jerusalem.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100324/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians
     
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    Mji wote wa Yerusalemu ni mali ya Waebrania.

    Walipewa na Yehova.
     
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    Una ushahidi gani kuwa mji huo Wote wa Yerusalemu ni mali ya Waebrania.?
     
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    Biblia Takatifu!
     
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    Towa aya sio Useme tu Biblia Takatifu Ehhhhh
     
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    Israeli settlements buried two-state solution: expert

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    Reuters – Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is greeted as he takes the stage to address the gala banquet …

    JERUSALEM (Reuters) – A dovish Israeli expert who predicted Israel's settlement campaign would perpetuate its control of the occupied West Bank said pursuing a two-state solution to Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a "waste of time."

    Meron Benvenisti, a Harvard-educated historian known for his study of Israeli building on land it captured in the 1967 war, said he expected Israel's occupation of territory would "continue for a long time" and that peace talks should focus instead on power sharing in Israel and the West Bank.

    "The fight for the two-state solution is obsolete," Benvenisti, 76, told a news conference on Tuesday.
    The political split in Palestinian loyalties between the Fatah-dominated West Bank and Hamas-controlled Gaza, plus Israel's control of 60 percent of West Bank land, made it unlikely a Palestinian state could soon be founded, he said.

    U.S. President Barack Obama's planned talks with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Washington were unlikely to yield any breakthrough, Benvenisti added.

    Even if Washington succeeds in launching indirect peace, years of deadlock over core issues showed negotiations would not quickly reach an agreement, he said.

    NOT MUCH LEFT

    With Israel seeking to keep large settlement blocs under any deal, Benvenisti said only 40 percent of West Bank land was actually up for discussion, making Palestinian statehood unviable.

    Even Western aid to the Palestinians of an annual $2 billion, which is intended to boost the economy, is really perpetuating Israeli control in the West Bank by funding Palestinian adaptation to the fact of occupation, he added.

    "We have to change the vocabulary of the conflict," Benvenisti said. He called for dropping the two-state paradigm for discussion of a joint "bi-national regime."

    Israelis and Palestinians could share the West Bank and present-day Israel in a federal, power-share format such as that forged in Bosnia in 1996, Benvenisti suggested, making him one of the few in Israel to support such an idea.

    Some Palestinians have embraced the idea of a binational state with Israel as long as they achieve full political rights. But many Israelis fear such a structure could jeopardize the country's future as a Jewish state.

    Benvenisti was famously criticized in the early 1980s for predicting Israel's massive construction of settlements then in land Palestinians sought for a state seemed irreversible, and would secure Israeli dominance there for a long time to come.

    He saw that vision as having borne itself out, citing how the Jewish settler population grew from about 20,000 in 1982 to more than 600,000 now, after a building campaign that he opposed.

    (Editing by Douglas Hamilton and Dominic Evans)
     
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    Palestinian support for 'two-state' solution drops with Israel defiant on settlement freeze

    Palestinian support for a two-state solution is declining, according to a new poll released as Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vows to continue building in East Jerusalem.



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    Palestinians have grown more cold to the possibility of a 'two-state' solution after Israel refused to put a freeze on the building of settlements such as this one in East Jerusalem.
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    Boston Comments by Israeli and Palestinian officials today represented an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object, and go a long way to explaining why peace talks between the two sides are stalled, if not moving in reverse.

    At the heart of their comments is East Jerusalem, the portion of the holy city that Israel seized from Jordan in the 1967 war and that has in recent years become the frontline – both literally and symbolically – of the Israel-Palestine conflict.
    Nabil Abu Rudaina, a spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, told Reuters on Tuesday that Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu must agree to a full settlement freeze – including East Jerusalem – or the chance of resumed talks under the auspice of the US would be "at risk." A spokesman for Mr. Netanyahu, who is visiting Washington for the annual meeting of the pro-Israel lobbying group AIPAC and talks with President Barack Obama, told reporters that the Palestinian demand was "illogical and unreasonable" and could "put the peace negotiations on hold for another year."
    Support wanes for two-state solution

    But there are already indications the delay is eroding support for the two-state solution, the centerpiece of peace efforts. Peace talks – which have dragged on for decades with continuous territorial losses for Palestinians – have growing numbers of Palestinians giving up hope for one Jewish state and one Palestinian state coexisting between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean.
    A joint poll released this week by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research and the Harry S. Truman Research Institute for the Advancement of Peace at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem found that support for the two-state solution among Palestinians dropped from 64 percent in December to 57 percent in early March. That implied shift toward a one-state solution, sometimes referred to as a bi-national state, came after announcements this year for a number of new Israeli housing programs in East Jerusalem.
    Nabil Kukali, director of the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion, interpreted the results in an interview with The Jerusalem Post. "On the whole, Palestinians support the peace process, but there are some changes in attitudes towards the two-state solution... the Palestinians feel hopeless and they don't think the Israelis will give the Palestinians one meter of their land." About 71 percent of Israelis were found to favor a one-state solution in the poll.
    Announce new homes first, apologize later

    Israel considers Jerusalem its "undivided and eternal" capital but its 43-year control of the eastern part of the city has long been contested by Palestinians, who make up a majority in the district but have increasingly faced housing evictions in favor of Israeli settlers. Israel's announcement during Vice President Joe Biden's visit earlier this month that it would build 1,600 new homes in an ultra-Orthodox neighborhood of East Jerusalem led to a rare chill in US-Israel relations. President Barack Obama had been urging Israel to adopt a full settlement freeze as a goodwill gesture to the Palestinians.
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    Mpaka wa Israel ni mtO Flat Iraq na Bahari ya mediteranian . kwa hiyo Israel has a long way to go. bado wanatakiwa kuipiga Jordan, Baadhi ya maeneo ya Syria, Iraq. . there will be no peace agreement of a divided state solution except the one which will be brought by the False Prophet.
     
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    Do Muslims Have A Legal Right Over Jerusalem?

    ...what right do the Muslims have to claim their complete sovereignty over East Jerusalem and why Israel should not cave in to their demand? To find the answer to this crucial question, we need to go to the Quran and see what it says about Jerusalem and if Muslims have at all any right over it.

    IN The Year 2000, Israelis and the Palestinians were on the verge of signing at Camp David, under the auspices of the then American President Bill Clinton, a historical agreement that would have settled all the disputes between them and brought peace and prosperity to the Middle East, in general, and to the Muslims of Palestine and the Jews of Israel, in particular. This agreement would also have made our earth a much better place for all of us to live in relative peace. But when all the arrangements were ready for the signing of the agreement, the Palestinians backed out, demanding, among others, that the Israelis grant them complete sovereignty over East Jerusalem's Islamic holy site, in particular, the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
     
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    (Contd...)

    But what right do the Muslims have to claim their complete sovereignty over East Jerusalem and why Israel should not cave in to their demand? To find the answer to this crucial question, we need to go to the Quran and see what it says about Jerusalem and if Muslims have at all any right over it.

    The name "Jerusalem" does not appear in the Quran. However, a verse in it supposedly alludes to Jerusalem, saying:

    17:1: "Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things)."

    Muhammad was clearly the speaker of this verse. He claimed that Allah took him for a journey by night from the Sacred Mosque (in Mecca) to the farthest Mosque whose precinct Allah blessed in order that he could show Muhammad some of His Signs. Muhammad, however, did not describe where that farthest mosque was located and what Signs of Allah he had seen at or in the vicinity of that mosque!
     
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    The form in which Muhammad is said to have traveled through the space established beyond any question, let us now note some of the fallacies that have become an integral and essential part of the Muslim faith.

    At the time Muhammad took off from Mecca on his celestial trip, there was a Mosque located in the precincts of the Ka'aba, called "Masjidul Haram." In this mosque, the Pagans assembled to say their prayers to a host of their gods and also to carry out meditations in their spare time. Those among them who had no home of their own occasionally spent their nights in it.

    The fact that Muhammad had traveled from one mosque in Mecca to another in Jerusalem suggests that there was mosque in Jerusalem, like the Meccan one, with four walls and a roof on top of it. It was a mosque in the real sense of the word, as there was no way for Allah to mistake a Jewish Synagogue or a Christian Church for a Muslim Mosque.[10] It is this assumption that makes me believe that the venue in Jerusalem to which Allah had taken Muhammad, actually had a mosque in which he said his prayer in the company of some prophets of the yore, before taking off on his journey to the heavens.

    But does history support the existence of a "mosque" in Jerusalem in the time of Muhammad, when no Muslims could have lived in this pre-dominantly Jewish City to worship in?
     
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    The truth of the matter is that there existed no "mosque" in Jerusalem at the time Muhammad is believed to have set his foot on its soil in 620 A.D. Faced with this reality, Abdullah Yusuf Ali was forced to admit:


    "The Farthest Mosque must refer to the site of the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem on the hill of Moriah, at or near which stands the Dome of the Rock, called also the Mosque of Hadhrat ‘Umar. This and the Mosque known as the Farthest Mosque (Masjid-ul-Aqsa) were completed by the Amir ‘Abd-ul-Malik in A. H. 68 {i.e. in 690 A.D}...!"[11]
     
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    As far as the Muslims' claim on Jerusalem is concerned, the Chronology of the Muslim history bears out the fact that the early Muslim rulers, such as Abu Bakr and Umar, had never believed that Jerusalem was a sacred site that needed recovery from its Jewish and Christian occupants. In fact, they believed that it was a land that Allah had gifted to the Jews, the Children of Israel! In course of time, they turned it into a holy site of their own religion. Mindful of this fact, the first two Muslim Caliphs never laid their claim on it or on any part of it, for doing that would have amounted to denying what the Quran has inferred about Jerusalem and its ownership!

    Umar occupied Jerusalem in 637 A.D., when the Islamic Empire was in its expansion mode. Caliph Abd-ul-Malik added Islamic sanctity to the City of Jerusalem by building, in 690 A.D., "Masjid-ul-Aqsa" or the ‘Furthest Mosque' on the hill of Moriah on which also stood the Jewish Temple of Solomon on the pretext that Muhammad had stopped here on his way to heaven. This was the first and the most important step that legitimized, to the detriment of the later-day Muslims' interest and well being, the Islamic lie in order to justify their false claim on Jerusalem!

    For so long as Muslims were able to maintain their over-all hegemony over the Jews and the Christians, it did not matter much to them whether they were in control of Jerusalem's hill of Moriah, or the Jews were in charge of it. The question of ownership or control of the hill began popping up after Muslims lost their power to the Christians! They had to lay their claim on Jerusalem because that was what they could think of for the purpose of rekindling their hatred towards the Jews many among whom, in the sight of Allah, are the descendants of apes, and thus despised![30] Eventually, their hatred towards the Jews became a serious pathological ailment for them, the virus of which shuts down their good senses every time they have an occasion to revive their antagonism and hatred of the Jews.
     
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    How devastatingly Muslims' false claim on Jerusalem has been affecting a section of them is deducible from the effects that the rejection of the Camp David Peace Accord has produced so far. Had the Palestinians accepted the Accord, it would have restored almost 93 percent of the Israeli occupied land to them. But they rejected the Accord, as it did not contemplate the transfer of East Jerusalem to them, where the Farthest Mosque is located, to the control of the Muslims.

    As a result of the rejection of the Accord, a warlike situation continues to exist between Israel and the Muslim states that surround it. Since the Israelis have been continuing with the occupation of the Palestinian land, the Palestinians have not only been killing the Jews but their own people as well, while carrying out their terrorist attacks against Israel. The Palestinians' attacks on Israeli civilians invariably evoke retaliatory actions from the Israeli armed forces. Such actions kill not only their targets, but also innocent Palestinian civilians, women and children.

    I attribute the death of the innocent people in Israel and Palestine, primarily, to the Muslims' false claim on Jerusalem! I also postulate that the game of death and destruction in the Middle East is going to continue unabated for so long as Muslims would continue to live with falsehood and hatred that the Quran continues to instill in their mind against the Jews and against all those people who are not Muslims…!
     
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    It is my firm conviction that peace in the Middle East rests with the Muslims alone. They must, therefore, remove the lie from their belief system and start living in a world that is realistic and congenial for all of its inhabitants. Nothing short of it is going to bring peace and prosperity to them. The sooner they realize this truth, the better it would be for them as well as for other citizens of the world!

    REFERENCES:
    1] The Meaning of the Glorious Koran, p. 204.

    [2] The Koran, p. 197.

    [3] The Holy Quran, Vol. 1, p. 691.

    [4] The Torah; Genesis; 11:4-8.

    [5] The Quran; 15:14, 15.

    [6] Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, p. 182.

    [7] Op. cit. p. 131.

    [8] Muhammad, his life based on the earliest sources, pp. 101, 102.

    [9] Abul Ala Mududi, Tafhimul Quran, Vol. 2, p. 589.

    [10] Cf. The Quran; 22: 40.

    [11] The Holy Quran, Vol.. 1, p. 693.

    [12] See Al-Qahira (Egypt); August 5, 2003.

    [13] Islam; p. 14.

    [14] Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, .p. 184.

    [15] Cf. Abul Ala Mududi, Tafhimul Quran, vol. 2, p. 588.

    [16] Cf. The Quran; 39:10 & 53. According to these verses, all Muslims are Muhammad's servants.

    [17] The Quran; 11:114.

    [18] Abudullah Yusuf Ali, op. cit. vol. 1, p. 545.

    [19] Dr. Rafiq Zakaria, Muhammad and the Quran. p. 74.

    [20] F. E. Peters, The Origin of Islam,. p. 159.

    [21] Cf. F. E. Peters; op. cit, p. 14.

    [22] The Quran; 73:20.

    [23] Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 464.

    [24] Cf. The Quran; 16:29.

    [25] Cf. The Quran; 16:32.

    [26] Cf. The Quran; 3:169.

    [27] Cf. The Quran; 39:68.

    [28] Tafsir al-Jalalayn of verse 27:87.

    [29] The Quran; 66:10.

    [30] The Quran; 2:65 et al
     
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    Since when you have become a commentator of the Qur-ani??? Since when that muslims require a non-muslim like you to give own deviant and false interpretation when we have the Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad to give the detailed meanings of thye verses of the Qur-an???

    All Qur-an verses, not only this, were SPOKEN verbatim by Muhammad as they were revealed to him by Allah thru Jibril, everybody know this. However, if you are trying to imply that this particular verse was made up by him, then you are just adding up to the statistics of great LIARS, hater of whole Qur-an and Islam, not only this verse. It is worth for you to know that a number of greater liars than yourself have passed before and may be greater number, more skilled in trying to twist the Qur-an from within than you will come after you. You are just fools worthless of reasonable argument. It will be lucky if you can change your stance against Islam. After this verse, you will definitely come up with another one that you and you church have reharsed to twist

    Let the ZIONIST Jews gather themselves together in the Holly land, they know exactly what is waiting to happen to them at that very place, they are just arrogantly and mischieveously in denial like what their forefathers did to previous Prophets, unfortunately you christians are misguided foot soldiers indeed, you have lost the plot, simply misguided. What was revealed to Jesus, son of Mary, Prophet of Allah was the Injeel (Gospel) and certainly not the Bilble. Maskini roho zenu hamuoni tofauti.

    In short, with that armour that your mind has been engulfed into, only silence is the worthy answer for you. Good luck.
     
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    David and Jerusalem (c. 1004-970 BCE)




    [​IMG] David's first capital was the city of Hebron. Following his election by all the tribes of Israel as their sole king, he sought a new capital to unify the nation. His considerations in choosing the Jebusite city of "Zion" were primarily geopolitical. By bringing the Ark of the Covenant to his city, David established Jerusalem, both symbolically and practically, as both a religious and political capital.
    From his small capital David ruled over a vast kingdom, taking advantage of the temporary decline of Egypt in the south and of Aram in the north.
    Although David prepared an extensive organizational and engineering infrastructure to build the Temple in his city, he was unable to undertake the project for various reasons, and the task was entrusted to his son Solomon. However, David purchased the land designated for the Temple and built an altar there to atone for the sin which he had committed in commanding the people. His kingdom, which was born in civil war and court intrigues, was transferred to Solomon following yet another bloody course of events.
    Traditionally David is described as a splendid combination of spiritual potency and military acumen, a passionate character, and a penchant for court machinations.

    To get more information about King David, please click here.
     
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    soon, watamaliza Jerusalem yote, na jerusalem yote itakuwa chini ya israel...that small part of eastern jerusalem ambayo waarab wanang'ang'ania hadi leo, will be swallowed soon. jerusalem is teh city of God himself, and God wants it to be under the jewish people, not any other kind of ishmael thing. congrats to mr. netanyahu, anajua anachokifanya.
     
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    do you know that Hebron is under the Palestinians, hii iko westbank na wapalestina wanaimiliki, pamoja na bethlehem...does it really bring any sense?
     
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    Kumbe Koran ilishindwa kujitosheleza mpaka mkaletewa na paukwa pakawa za Marehemu Muham-mad!!!


     
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