Hukumu ya mgombea binafsi hii hapa (AG vs Mtikila)

[Devils Advocate]

Wadau wa sheria nimejitahidi kwa kadiri ya uwezo wangu kuitafuta hii hukumu na kuileata mbele yenu ili tuijadili. Nimefanikiwa kuipata na naomba tuisome kwa kina halfu tuijadili. Ni ndefu ni kama kurasa 51 lakini nafikiri its worth reading the whole document.

Nimeiatach.

 

[Buchanan]

Asante ndugu, ubarikiwe sana!

 

[Kwetunikwetu]

Shukrani kwa jitihada!

 

[Buchanan]

Ni AG vs Mtikila na sio Mtikila vs AG!

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

Nimeisoma hukumu yote..

Juu ya :

That the High Court erred in law in proceeding with the determination of the petition without framing issues.

Mahakama ya Rufaa imeamua:

In fact, we are just being consistent with a recent decision of this Court in Jaffari Sanya Jussa and Another v. Salehe Sadiq Osman, Civil Appeal No. 51 of 2009 (unreported) citing 17th Edition of MuIla at p. 719 which is in pari materia with page 1421 of the 15th Edition.

We, therefore, dismiss this ground of appeal.

- Serikali imepoteza hoja ya 1

Hoja ya pili ya rufaa;

That the High Court erred in law and in fact by subjecting the Constitution to International Instruments.

mahakama ya rufani:

So, we are at one with Mr. Rweyongeza in his reply that reference to International Human Rights Instruments has been ordained by this Court.

We, therefore, cannot fault their lordships in any way and this ground of appeal is dismissed, too.

Katika hoja ya pili serikali imeshindwa! -

Katika hoja ya tatu ya rufaa iliyoletwa na serikali inadai:

That the High Court erred in law by assuming legislative powers.

Mahakama ya Rufani imeamua:

The A. G., the chief legal advisor of the Executive was to take the necessary steps to amend the laws and the Constitution so that independent candidates could be permitted. We are, therefore, of the settled view that the learned judges did not clothe themselves with legislative powers. This ground fails, too.

Hoja ya tatu ya rufaa, serikali imepoteza vile vile!!

hoja ya nne ya Rufaa ilikuwa hivi:

That the High Court wrongly assumed jurisdiction in entertaining the Petition.

Mahakama ya rufani imeamua:

Thus the High Court of Tanzania is both for the Mainland Tanzania and for the Union on matters pertaining to the Constitution, such as the one that is the subject matter of this appeal.

So, the High Court had jurisdiction to entertain the petition and ground one is dismissed in its entirety.

Hoja ya nne nayo serikali imepoteza

Hadi sasa Mtikila 4-0

Hoja kubwa ambayo ndio imekuwa ngumu na nzito zaidi ya kikatiba ni hii ya kuhusu kutengua Katiba:

That the High Court erred in law in nullifying the provisions of the Constitution.

Sasa ukisoma mtiririko wa hoja za mahakama utaona kuwa wamejenga hoja kwenye msingi wa kisheria sana na kutudokeza tatizo la sheria yetu na Katiba yetu. Nitawaaacha msome wenyewe.

Lakini mwisho kwenye suala la wagombea binafsi japo wamerudisha kwa Bunge hata hivyo Mahakama imesema:

Ground one is, therefore, allowed: a court cannot declare an article of the Constitution to be unconstitutional except where the article has not been enacted in accordance with the procedure under Art 98(1)(a) and (b).

Na Majaji wanamaliza hukumu yao kwa maneno haya ambayo ni ujumbe mkubwa kwa wapiga kura.

However, we give a word of advice to both the Attorney General and our Parliament: The United Nations Human Rights Committee, in paragraph 21 of its General Comment No. 25, of July 12, 1996, said as follows on Article 25 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, very similarly worded as Art 23 of the American Convention and our Art 21:

The right of persons to stand for election should not be limited unreasonably by requiring candidates to be members of parties or of specific parties.

Tanzania is known for our good record on human rights and particularly our militancy for the right to self determination and hence our involvement in the liberation struggle. We should seriously ponder that comment from a Committee of the United Nations, that is, the whole world.

 

[magee]

however, we give a word of advice to both the attorney general and our parliament: The united nations human rights committee, in paragraph 21 of its general comment no. 25, of July 12, 1996, said as follows on article 25 of the international covenant on civil and political rights, very similarly worded as art 23 of the American convention and our art 21:

The right of persons to stand for election should not be limited unreasonably by requiring candidates to be members of parties or of specific parties.

Tanzania is known for and hence our involvement in the liberation struggle. We should seriously ponder that comment from a committee of the united nations, that is, the whole world.

Swali lililopo je ushauri utafuatwa? Na ili ufuatwe embu tujiulize haya.......
1. Are we really in liberation struggle?
2. Is it human or wakubwa rights in Tanzania??

Mbaya zaidi mpira unarudi bungeni........what do you think the outcome will be??

Ngumu, its high time sisi kuamka na to do what is right.

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

nadhani sisi ni wagumu kweli kuchukua muda kusoma kilichoamuriwa na mahakama.

 

[Askofu]

Tanzania, Tanzania.... Nakupenda kwa Moyo woteeeeeeeeeee,
Nchi yangu Tanzania, jina lako ni TAMU sanaaaaaaaaaaaaa,
Nilalapo Nakuota wewe, Niamkapo ni heri Mama Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....

Malizieni.... naenda ku-praktisi... nitarudi baadae

 

[Asprin]

Nasikitika lengo langu la kutangaza nia limepata kipigo kama cha vuvuzela!

 

[andrewk]

Wandishi wa habari wa tanzania oyeeeeeeeee, duuuuuuu, Heading zote leo Mtikila kashindwa? jamani hatuna waandishi kwa sasa, Journalist Vipi?

Kaeni chini msome kwanza na sio kukurupuka

 

[WildCard]

Wandishi wa habari wa tanzania oyeeeeeeeee, duuuuuuu, Heading zote leo Mtikila kashindwa? jamani hatuna waandishi kwa sasa, Journalist Vipi?

Kaeni chini msome kwanza na sio kukurupuka

Uandishi wa habari ni taaluma tegemezi. Ili uwe mwandishi wa habari mzuri ni lazima uwe umesoma vizuri taaluma nyingine pia.

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

AndrewK.. naomba uniangalizie hivyo vichwa cha habari vinasemaje maana naona kuna haja ya kutoa elimu kidogo..

 

[Albedo]

Hivi ni Kwa nini Hii Kesi ilisikilizwa na Majaji Saba?

Je, siyo Janja ya Mahakama kuweka Kikwazo kwa Mtikila kukata Rufaa endapo angeshindwa?

Mimi sijui mambo ya Sheria jamani naombeni Ufafanuzi as to "Why Jopo la majaji Saba na siyo watatu?" kwa mfano

 

[micklove]

AndrewK.. naomba uniangalizie hivyo vichwa cha habari vinasemaje maana naona kuna haja ya kutoa elimu kidogo..

Kaka elimu yako ianzie kuwafanya wawe sehemu ya Watanzania, manake wamekuwa kama external observers au watu fulani hivi wanaoelea hewani, kwamba yanayotokea hapa Tanzania hayawahusu wao wala vizazi vyao. Wanaandika mambo ya msingi ya nchi kama wao hawahusiki nayo.

Mfano mtanzania anaandika Mtikila abwagwa, hata hajasoma hiyo hukumu, kama nimekulewa vizuri hapo juu (nami sijaisoma) statement kuwa abwagwa haina mantiki. Kuna mtu alisema bungeni kuwa wanaotanganza nia majimboni ni mavuvuzela mimi naona waandishi wa habari wengi wa Tanzania ndo mavuvuzela yavumayo bila kujua kwanini yanavuma.

Heshima mbele

 

[Devils Advocate]

Ni AG vs Mtikila na sio Mtikila vs AG!

Hahaaaa Buchanan. I think if you read the judgment its Mtikila vs the AG (I mean ifyou look at how the court decided).

 

[Devils Advocate]

Hivi ni Kwa nini Hii Kesi ilisikilizwa na Majaji Saba?

Je, siyo Janja ya Mahakama kuweka Kikwazo kwa Mtikila kukata Rufaa endapo angeshindwa?

Mimi sijui mambo ya Sheria jamani naombeni Ufafanuzi as to "Why Jopo la majaji Saba na siyo watatu?" kwa mfano

kesi husikilizwa na majaji wengi zaidi ili kuondoa mikingano hasa kama kesi ni sensitive. Zipo kesi chache sana zilizowahi kusikilizwa hivi na hii ni mojawapo. The only problem hapa ni what value did the 7 justices (not judges because they are from the court of appeal) add? its a little disappointing what the judges decided.I never expected a unanimous decision. I thought there could be a dissenting judgment or much more elaboration or looking at the judgment from another angle.

 

[Thomas David]

Wadau wa sheria nimejitahidi kwa kadiri ya uwezo wangu kuitafuta hii hukumu na kuileata mbele yenu ili tuijadili. Nimefanikiwa kuipata na naomba tuisome kwa kina halfu tuijadili. Ni ndefu ni kama kurasa 51 lakini nafikiri its worth reading the whole document.

Nimeiatach.

The judges said that. "Thus the issue of independent candidates is political and not legal "

But

Does this hold water?

Thomas

 

[WildCard]

AndrewK.. naomba uniangalizie hivyo vichwa cha habari vinasemaje maana naona kuna haja ya kutoa elimu kidogo..

Mwananchi wao wanasema: Mahakama yafuta mgombea binafsi; Mtikila asema hakutarajia miujiza, atakata rufaa

 

[Abunwasi]

Madam mahakama ya rufaa imeshatoa maamuzi[ushauri], na kama kweli tunataka haki ya mtanzania ya kuchagua na/au kuchaguliwa kwenye chaguzi ipatikane basi ni budi bunge/mwanasheria mkuu watengeneze mchakato wa kuhusisha wananchi wenyewe ili watoe maamuzi kuhusu hili.
Wasiwasi wangu ni kuwa bunge kwa vile lina wakilisha wananchi, wanaweza wakafanya maamuzi kwa niaba yetu kinyume na matakwa yetu [hasa kwa wale ambao siyo wanachama wa vyama vya siasa].

 

[Abunwasi]

Madam mahakama ya rufaa imeshatoa maamuzi[ushauri], na kama kweli tunataka haki ya mtanzania ya kuchagua na/au kuchaguliwa kwenye chaguzi ipatikane basi ni budi bunge/mwanasheria mkuu watengeneze mchakato wa kuhusisha wananchi wenyewe ili watoe maamuzi kuhusu hili.
Wasiwasi wangu ni kuwa bunge kwa vile lina wakilisha wananchi, wanaweza wakafanya maamuzi kwa niaba yetu kinyume na matakwa yetu [hasa kwa wale ambao siyo wanachama wa vyama vya siasa].