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Discussion in 'International Forum' started by Nyati, Apr 27, 2010.

  1. Nyati

    Nyati JF-Expert Member

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    Parliamentary chaos as Ukraine ratifies fleet deal

    Chaos has erupted in the Ukrainian parliament during a debate over the extension of the lease on a Russian naval base in Ukraine.

    The chamber's speaker had to be shielded by umbrellas as he was pelted with eggs, while smoke bombs exploded and politicians brawled.

    But the debate continued and the chamber ratified the lease extension.

    Kiev has prolonged the lease on the Sevastopol base by 25 years in return for cheaper supplies of Russian gas.

    The deal, which came amid rapidly improving ties between Russia and Ukraine following the election of Ukraine's pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych in February, has been bitterly opposed by Ukrainian pro-Western opposition politicians.

    RUSSIA'S BLACK SEA FLEET

    Based at Sevastopol since 18th Century
    Includes about 16,200 servicemen and some 40 vessels
    Warships deployed during Russia's 2008 war with Georgia
    Lease now extended from 2017 to 2042


    In pictures: Parliament chaos
    The clashes in parliament broke out as MPs debated ratification of the agreement, which was made by Mr Yanukovych and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev last month.

    Opposition MPs hurled eggs at the speaker, Volodymyr Lytvyn, who had to be protected by two aides holding black umbrellas.

    Deputies were seen throwing punches on the floor of the chamber, and covering their faces with handkerchiefs to protect themselves from the smoke.

    Thousands of demonstrators gathered outside the building.

    Despite the chaotic scenes, the debate continued and the deal was backed by 236 out of 450 members of the chamber.

    'Black page'

    Ukraine's Prime Minister Mykola Azarov pointed to the boost the lower gas price would provide to the budget as the country struggles to secure a loan from the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

    "The budget means agreement with the IMF, the possibility of getting investments," he said. "It is a programme of development for Ukraine in the future."


    But opposition leader and former prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko said the day would "go down as a black page in the history of Ukraine and the Ukrainian parliament".

    The Russian lower house of parliament approved the fleet extension deal shortly after the Ukrainian ratification, with 410 members voting in favour and none against.

    On Monday, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin visited Kiev, where he announced offers for wide ranging co-operation on aircraft manufacturing, shipbuilding and the generation of nuclear power.

    "We are talking about creating a large holding which would bring together joint power generation, joint power station construction and the fuel cycle," he was quoted as saying.

    He said the controversy over the base deal was "to be honest, unexpected".

    The price Ukraine had asked was "beyond all reasonable limits", he said, and the gas subsidies would cost Russia $40-45bn (30-34bn euros, £26-29bn) over 10 years.

    But he added that the deal was "not just a question of money".

    "Military co-operation, without a doubt, increases trust between two countries, gives us an opportunity to do work full of trust in the economic and social and political spheres," he said.

    "This is in fact the main thing."

    One of the protesters outside parliament, Igor Derevyanko, accused Russia of "financing anti-Ukrainian projects".

    "This is a permanent threat to Ukraine's territorial integrity because the Black Sea fleet is the outpost of the Russian state in Ukraine," he was quoted as saying by the Associated Press news agency.


    Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8645847.stm
     
  2. ChaMtuMavi

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    Pamoja na hayo bado kitu kimekuwa ratified for another 25yrs! so what was the point?
     
  4. Nyati

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    The point was that "You give the majority their way and the minority their say", So after the minority were denied their say, they decided to do what they have done.
     
  5. Ndahani

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    They have sent a strong message right across that "we are not happy with this ratification". Russia ilizivamia na kuzilazimisha nchi nyingi zilizokuwa zimeunda USSR bila ridhaa ya wananchi wake. Leo hii ingawa Russia haina mpango wa kutengeneza USSR nyingine, ila wanataka kuwa na influence kubwa kwa nchi hizo zote. Ndio maana unaona kuna migongano na mapinduzi ya hapa na pale in the balkans/eastern bloc maana Russia haitaki kuona influence yake inapotea kirahisi hivi hivi.
    Wakati Rusia inafanya hivyo wananchi wengi wa nchi hizo wana uchungu na mateso makali waliyopata wakati wote USSR ilipokuwa strong.Lazima wanarusha mayai hapa na pale kukataa hali waliyipitia miaka ile ya nyuma kurudi tena upya.
     
  6. ELNIN0

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    Ingekuwa nchi ya kiafrica mngesema bado hatujastaarabika - sasa kinachoshangaza mimi hivi hawa wabunge walikuwa wamejiandaa maana hayo mayai waliingia nayo mjengoni au waliyapata wapi fasta fasta na kumjeruhi spika wao? This is how you act to represent people who elected you.

    Ujinga ujinga - FIRE!!
     
  7. RealTz77

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    duuh niliwatch hii saga it was thrilling haswa kwa wale wajinga jingaa wa kupitisha mambo hovyo, hata ikipita ila next time wanakuwa makini zaidi!
     
  8. N-handsome

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    Wakwetu wengekua wanapigana wangeshamuusa Dk Slaa na Zitto, bora hawachapani
     
  9. Chapakazi

    Chapakazi JF-Expert Member

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    Do u give ppl their say through violence? Ungeniambia Ukraine hakuna democracy kama bongo...sawa. Lakini nchi ambayo imeshaongozwa na upinzani, shida inakuwa wapi? Kama kura yenu haitoshi, sio lazima mpigane! Huu sio ustaarabu. Achane kuwaabudu wazungu. ELNINO ameanza comment yake vizuri! Hii hapa:



    Kama ingekuwa Africa, mngesema ni wajinga. Kwa vile ni wazungu, mnawapa sifa? Please, Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery! Hili sio swala la watu kukosa their saying hata kidogo! Ni ujinga waliofanya..end of story!
     
  10. Chapakazi

    Chapakazi JF-Expert Member

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    Hata kama, unless unataka kuniambia Ukraine haina accountability system. Kwani waliopiga kura ku-ratify si wanafahamika. Kwani hakuna another legal path to end this problem? Kwa mfano; uchaguzi, referrendum, nk. Mbona mmnapenda kuji-limit to violence? Be creative and use the system. i would bet Ukraine sio kama bongo ambapo kura zinauzwa, na chama kimoja kinatawala miaka 50!
     
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