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Change or leave, govt tells firm

The milk war between Kenya and Tanzania has intensified with a Tanzanian Minister Dr Diodorus Kamala now insisting that Brookside Dairy Tanzania Ltd stop sending milk across the border for processing or leave the country altogether.

“I would like to see all Tanzania’s milk being processed here. We can’t turn our factory into a mere collection centre for a Kenyan factory,” said Dr Diodorous Kamala when he toured the plant recently.

According to Dr Kamala turning the plant into a collection point denied Tanzanians employment opportunities that they would have enjoyed if the milk was processed locally.

He said the intention of the government when they privatised the company was to encourage value-addition and create employment in Tanzania.

However, Brookside has argued that since there wasn’t enough milk in the area where they operate, they had no option but to process in Kenya.

An official of the firm declined to divulge what had been discussed with the minister saying it was being handled by the management and relevant authorities.

“The issue has to be looked at in a more, broader perspective and I wouldn’t want to into details because that wouldn’t be the right thing,” said the official, “But we want to pursue this issue with relevant authorities. As you know this can’t solved through the media.”

In 2004, the Ruiru-based Brookside Dairy Ltd acquired the Arusha plant of Tanzania Dairies, ready to set up an ultra-high temperature milk processing line in Arusha.

However, for nearly two years, Brookside has been collecting milk from 2,000 dairy farmers in Northern Tanzania and exporting it to Kenya for processing and packaging.

Brookside says they only collect 14,000 litres a day while a factory needs at least 60,000 litres to process the milk into UHT milk on a commercially viable scale.

The regional livestock officer for Arusha Hageney Chitukuro told The EastAfrican that the regional authorities found this argument by Brookside unconvincing as the region has more than enough milk.

According to Mr Chitukuto, data from the 2002/2003 Agricultural sample census conducted by the National Bureau of Statistics shows that the Arusha region can produce between 200,000 and 300,000 litres a day depending on the time of the year.

He added that according to a document produced by Brookside at the meeting with the minister, the company had managed to assist 65,000 Kenyan smallholder farmers engaged in milk production by providing training and other aspects related to improving the way they handle the delicate commodity.

During the minister’s visit, the price paid by Brookside to farmers and lack of a co-ordinated system to collect the milk came up as among the impediments to dairy farming,” he said.

Mr Chitukuro added that the Arusha plant needs to look at this with a “view to replicating what they had done in Kenya in Tanzania so that the local farmers would also benefit by way of training in hygiene and co-ordinating collection centres.”

The farmers are said to selling a litre of milk for Tsh300 (0.3 US cents) to Brookside but in urban area, the same amount of milk fetches Tsh500 (Us cents 0.5). On the other hand, a half-litre packet of processed UHT milk from Brookside Kenya Ltd sells for Tsh1,100 ($1) in most Tanzanian shops including supermarkets.

The refurbished Musoma Dairy has tried its hand at exporting its processed milk to Kenya only to be denied access, through non-tariff barriers applied by the Kenya Revenue Authority, Kenya Bureau of Standards and the Dairy Board.

 

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Link:

http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/-/2558/465618/-/item/0/-/nkda5s/-/index.html

 

[JokaKuu]

Alpha,

..bora kufanya biashara na Congo na Malawi. wa-Kenya ni wababaishaji wakubwa.

 

[Mwikimbi]

brooke side ni ya wakenya, kama sikosei ni akina kibaki hao

kama kamala angekuwa amefungua kiwanda cha maziwa cha watanznia, na kuongea hayo, ningemwona wa maana

 

[Fisadi Mtoto]

Hicho ni kiwanda cha familia ya Kenyatta.....unajua pale waziri anapofanya jambo zuri ni lazima asifiwe kupinga kila kitu nao pia ni ufisadi wa hali ya juu..Bravo Kamarade Kamala keep it up

 

[Alpha]

Alpha,

..bora kufanya biashara na Congo na Malawi. wa-Kenya ni wababaishaji wakubwa.

Kenya is going to look after Kenya's interest. Same with Congo, Malawi, etc.

Tanzanians need to look after their interests. We need to make sure we have laws and policies that benefit Tanzanians no matter where the investor comes from. And we have to MAKE SURE THOSE LAWS ARE BEING FOLLOWED.

Waiting for Kenyans, urging the Kenyans, begging the Kenyans, etc to do things that benefit Tanzanians is not going to get us anywhere.

 

[Alpha]

brooke side ni ya wakenya, kama sikosei ni akina kibaki hao

kama kamala angekuwa amefungua kiwanda cha maziwa cha watanznia, na kuongea hayo, ningemwona wa maana

That would be the ideal situation but the fact is, he is not.

The "Factory" is in Tanzania and it is the governments responsibility to make sure it is benefitting Tanzanians.

 

[MchunguZI]

Hicho ni kiwanda cha familia ya Kenyatta.....unajua pale waziri anapofanya jambo zuri ni lazima asifiwe kupinga kila kitu nao pia ni ufisadi wa hali ya juu..Bravo Kamarade Kamala keep it up

Is Kamara not adding his own value such that in the next follow-up to the industry be handled with a good lump sum instead of being received ina a simple manner??

Don't blame me. We are now suspicious with almost everything, averybody!

 

[Kichuguu]

Nyerere alipoanzisha viwanda hivi, tayari Kenya walikuwa navyo. Nia kuanzishwa viwanda hivyo ilikuwa ni kutaka kuwakomboa wafugaji wetu kutoka kwenye makucha ya Wakenya. Nyerere lianzisha viwanda vya MM (Mara Milk) na kile cha Arusha sikumbuki jina lake na kingine Ubungo. Ujinga wetu ni pale tulipoamua kuchukua viwanda vyetu hivi livyotujengea Nyerere kwa taabu, na kuamua kuwapa wakenya tukitegemea watukomboe kutoka kwenye makucha yao.

Nampongeza Waziri "DR" Kamala kwa kuwakemea lakini maneno yake yanakuwa wakati yameshachelewa kwa vile kiwanda kile sasa ni mali yao na wana uhuru wa kukiendesha kadri watakavyo wenyewe.

 

[LazaroSMtindi]

Hata mimi nampongeza sana "Dr" Kamala.

 

[Moelex23]

The govt has no legal power to tell Brookside how to run their company. They can process the Milk in Mars if that is what they want.

The govt set taxes and guard National Resources like Gold, Diamond blah blah.

Tell Kamala to go to barrick Mine and say 3% royalty rate is low and we the govt are going to raise it to 10%. That will be something beneficial to Tanzanians and also in the power of a state na sio huo usanii eti mprocess Maziwa Arusha kwa lazima. Kwa nini asianze na kurudisha VX yake na atumie Corolla ili kusave nchi pesa za mafuta?? Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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The govt has no legal power to tell Brookside how to run their company. They can process the Milk in Mars if that is what they want.

The govt set taxes and guard National Resources like Gold, Diamond blah blah.

Tell Kamala to go to barrick Mine and say 3% royalty rate is low and we the govt are going to raise it to 10%. That will be something beneficial to Tanzanians and also in the power of a state na sio huo usanii eti mprocess Maziwa Arusha kwa lazima. Kwa nini asianze na kurudisha VX yake na atumie Corolla ili kusave nchi pesa za mafuta?? Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!

This is not rocket science.

They have no legal power to tell Brookside how to run their company (that's not my point) but they can set laws and policy that maximize the benefits to Tanzanians. For instance they can ban the export of unprocessed milk hence forcing Brookside to process the milk in Tanzania (just as they should do with raw Tanzanite, gold, cashewnuts, etc).

I agree with you about the VX but that is a whole different story

 

[Alpha]

Nyerere alipoanzisha viwanda hivi, tayari Kenya walikuwa navyo. Nia kuanzishwa viwanda hivyo ilikuwa ni kutaka kuwakomboa wafugaji wetu kutoka kwenye makucha ya Wakenya. Nyerere lianzisha viwanda vya MM (Mara Milk) na kile cha Arusha sikumbuki jina lake na kingine Ubungo. Ujinga wetu ni pale tulipoamua kuchukua viwanda vyetu hivi livyotujengea Nyerere kwa taabu, na kuamua kuwapa wakenya tukitegemea watukomboe kutoka kwenye makucha yao.

Nampongeza Waziri "DR" Kamala kwa kuwakemea lakini maneno yake yanakuwa wakati yameshachelewa kwa vile kiwanda kile sasa ni mali yao na wana uhuru wa kukiendesha kadri watakavyo wenyewe.

Again this is not rocket science.

If you set up a business in the US you can run it however you please WITHIN THE LAWS of the US. For instance even though you own the company you cannot do business with Cuba, it is illegal.

My point is the government needs to set up policies and laws that maximise our benefits. What the Dr. proposed was the right thing and should be commended. Now laws need to be put in place to the effect.

 

[Kichuguu]

Again this is not rocket science.

If you set up a business in the US you can run it however you please WITHIN THE LAWS of the US. For instance even though you own the company you cannot do business with Cuba, it is illegal.

My point is the government needs to set up policies and laws that maximise our benefits. What the Dr. proposed was the right thing and should be commended. Now laws need to be put in place to the effect.

No, usi-overreact, tuambie wamevunja sheria gani ya nchi; mimi ningepiga filimbi kama ningekuwa najua mkataba wa kununua kiwanda kile. Kwa picha ya haraka haraka nionavyo mimi, kwa jamaa hawa kwenda kuprocess maziwa hayo huko Kenya, huenda hawajavunja sheria yoyote ya Tanzania kwa vile Tanzania ina uhusiano wa kibiashara na Kenya kama sehemu ya jumuia ya Afrika ya Mashariki. Wao kama wafanya biashara wana uhuru wa kuamua waendeshe vipi kiwanda chao profitably bila kuvunja sheria yoyote. Ndiyo maana wanaleta mameneja kutoka kwao na wala hawaulizwi chochote ingawa tunao watu ambao wako qualified kuwa mameneja. It all depends on what is in their contract, na viongozi wetu walishatuambia kuwa mikataba yote ni siri yao. Wakati ATCL imechukuliwa na SAA, walileta akina dada wa kizulu eti kuhudumia kwenye ndege kati ya Mwanza na Dar es Salaam ukiwauliza kwa kiswahili wanakuona kama $#@#^&%&*. Ujio wao ulikuwa kwenye contract, kwa hiyo SAA walikuwa hawakuvunja sheria yoyote.

 

[Ogah]

No, usi-overreact, tuambie wamevunja sheria gani ya nchi; mimi ninepiga filimbi kama ningekuwa najua mkataba wa wa kununua kiwanda kile. Kwa picha ya haraka haraka nionavyo mimi, kwa jamaa hawa kwenda kuprocess maziwa hayo huko Kenya, huenda hawajavunja sheria yoyote ya Tanzania kwa vile Tanzania ina uhusiano wa kibiashara na Kenya kama sehemu ya jumuia ya Afrika ya Mashariki. Wao kama wafanya biashara wana uhuru wa kuamua waendeshe vipi kiwanda chao profitably bila kuvunja sheria yoyote. Ndiyo maana wanaleta mameneja kutoka kwao na wala hawaulizwi chochote ingawa tunao watu ambao wako qualified kuwa mameneja. It all depends on what is in their contract, na viongozi wetu walishatuambia kuwa mikataba yote ni siri yao. Wakati ATCL imechukuliwa na SAA, walileta akina dada wa kizulu eti kuhudumia kwenye ndege kati ya Mwanza na Dar es Salaam ukiwauliza kwa kiswahili wanakuona kama $#@#^&%&*. Ujio wao ulikuwa kwenye contract, kwa hiyo SAA walikuwa hawakuvunja sheria yoyote.

Prof. Kichuguu,

....hata vile Viwanda vyetu vya Viatu na vya Korosho vimekufa kwa mtindo huo huo wa mikataba feki feki.....however, lets start/peg somewhere and say NO!.....nafikiri NO ya Kamala ikiongezewa Nguvu.......hata vile Viwanda alivyovianzisha Baba wa Taifa JKN na kufa kibudu.....kuna uwezekano wa kuvifufua.....au unasemaje Prof....

 

[Kichuguu]

Prof. Kichuguu,

....hata vile Viwanda vyetu vya Viatu na vya Korosho vimekufa kwa mtindo huo huo wa mikataba feki feki.....however, lets start/peg somewhere and say NO!.....nafikiri NO ya Kamala ikiongezewa Nguvu.......hata vile Viwanda alivyovianzisha Baba wa Taifa JKN na kufa kibudu.....kuna uwezekano wa kuvifufua.....au unasemaje Prof....

Tatizo ninaloona hapa ni kuwa inawezekana Kamala anaongea bila kujua mkataba wao ukoje. Hata hivyo nampongeza sana kwa kuona kuwa tunaibiwa. Anachotakiwa ni kuweka nguvu ya kupitia tena mikataba ile kuhakikisha kuwa uonevu wa aina hii unaondolewa. Tulipouliza tuonnyeshwe mikataba ile ili tutoe ushauri wetu wa namna ya kuiboresha, tukaambiwa hiyo ni siri ya serikali tu.

 

[Gaijin]

waziri kaongea kitu cha maana, ila kama hakuna mabadiliko ya policies, nafikiri hatutaweza kuwalazimisha wafanyabiashara bila sheria kuendesha viwanda vyote tanzania.

waziri ameshaona tatizo lipo wapi, afanye home work, na arudi na policy yenye kuwabana wawekezaji

 

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waziri kaongea kitu cha maana, ila kama hakuna mabadiliko ya policies, nafikiri hatutaweza kuwalazimisha wafanyabiashara bila sheria kuendesha viwanda vyote tanzania.

waziri ameshaona tatizo lipo wapi, afanye home work, na arudi na policy yenye kuwabana wawekezaji

Exactly, thank you

 

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No, usi-overreact, tuambie wamevunja sheria gani ya nchi; mimi ningepiga filimbi kama ningekuwa najua mkataba wa kununua kiwanda kile. Kwa picha ya haraka haraka nionavyo mimi, kwa jamaa hawa kwenda kuprocess maziwa hayo huko Kenya, huenda hawajavunja sheria yoyote ya Tanzania kwa vile Tanzania ina uhusiano wa kibiashara na Kenya kama sehemu ya jumuia ya Afrika ya Mashariki. Wao kama wafanya biashara wana uhuru wa kuamua waendeshe vipi kiwanda chao profitably bila kuvunja sheria yoyote. Ndiyo maana wanaleta mameneja kutoka kwao na wala hawaulizwi chochote ingawa tunao watu ambao wako qualified kuwa mameneja. It all depends on what is in their contract, na viongozi wetu walishatuambia kuwa mikataba yote ni siri yao. Wakati ATCL imechukuliwa na SAA, walileta akina dada wa kizulu eti kuhudumia kwenye ndege kati ya Mwanza na Dar es Salaam ukiwauliza kwa kiswahili wanakuona kama $#@#^&%&*. Ujio wao ulikuwa kwenye contract, kwa hiyo SAA walikuwa hawakuvunja sheria yoyote.

I'm not saying any laws have been broken and the Cuba thing was just an example.

I am simply pointing out that the minister should be commended. Weather any laws have actually been broken i have no idea. The minister has identified the problem and now it is up to the government to set up laws and policy to effect his sentiments.

 

[SaidSabke]

Is Kamara not adding his own value such that in the next follow-up to the industry be handled with a good lump sum instead of being received ina a simple manner??

Don't blame me. We are now suspicious with almost everything, averybody!

My GOD!!!!!! suspicious of everything, and everybody even himself.sasa TZ sio Bongoland tena.ni FISADILAND