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CCM itaendelea kutawala kwa muda mrefu sana....

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Nyani Ngabu, Nov 16, 2010.

  1. Nyani Ngabu

    Nyani Ngabu Platinum Member

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    Sasa hivi kila dalili zinaelekea kuonyesha kuwa watu wameshaukubali utawala mpya wa Kikwete licha ya malalamiko ya mizengwe iliyojitokeza katika zoezi la uhesabuji wa kura.

    Ni wachache sana ambao wanakataa kuutambua uhalali wa utawala huu. Wengi wameshakubali yaishe na wameshaamua kuendelea na shughuli zao za kila siku.

    Kwa mtindo huu CCM na serikali zake zitaendelea kuchezea watu kwa vile wanajua tu wepesi wa kusahau na kukubali yaishe. Nami nasema kwa mtaji huu tujiandae kutawaliwa na CCM kwa muda mrefu sana.

    Yahifadhini haya maneno yangu kwa marejeo ya baadaye.
     
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    Jasusi JF-Expert Member

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    Unakumbuka Yusuf Makamba alisemaje? Kuwa Watanzania ni rahisi kusahau.
     
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    ZeMarcopolo JF-Expert Member

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    tatizo kubwa ni kwamba, hiyo mizengwe tunaisoma kwenye vyombo vya habari tu. Hakuna anayetuletea vidhibiti "live" zaidi ya empty malalamiko. Vidhibiti vingekuwa bayana naamini idadi ya wanaopinga ingekuwa haitofautiani sana na idadi ya wanaosadikika kuibiwa kura.
     
  4. TIMING

    TIMING JF-Expert Member

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    Thanks the doubting thomas

    sijui unahitaji evidence gani zaidi ya zilizotoka

    nahisi wewe uko nje ya nchi
     
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    ZeMarcopolo JF-Expert Member

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    kiongozi Acid, ingekuwa na manufaa kwangu na wadau wengine iwapo utatusaidia kukumbuka evidence zilizotoka ni zipi? zilitolewa na nani na wapi?
    Nashukuru.
     
  6. TIMING

    TIMING JF-Expert Member

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    @zemarcopolo
    nakumbuka mahanga amekamatwa na kuwekwa ndani only to be annoucned a winner
    nakumbuka shinyanga the man resigned after confessing to be pushed by teh big shot
    nakumbuka kulikua na querries hadi kwa kutumia DHS data na other CIA data kwamba hata tungeweka watoto wa kuanzia 15 years kwenye voters registratiion book, bado wasingefika 20M
    tumeona watu wakiprint na ku-share individual centres kama ile ya geita yenye two indetical voting centers with evrything sawa kwenye media
    tumeona irregularities na delays za announcement ya results hadi 5 days... yest you want more evidences

    evidences my foot

    Unachoongea ni sawa na mtu aliyeibiwa na kwenda polisi na kuambiwa kamlete mwizi lasivyo futa kesi huna cha kujibu, zemarcopolo unanisikitisha sana kwa kubehave kama huna uchungu na damu za mama zetu wanaoahidiwa kila kitu na kuachwa na high martenal portality, the main reason ni kwamba we are looking for impossibles to justify wizi

    Hivi ukiambiwa mobutu aliiba akaweka fedha swiss utakubali? if yes why? i was watching his son defending his father kwamba kama angeiba basi wangekamatwa wakati yote haya yanatokea to a benefit of a while man

    Napata uchungu zaidi tunapojaribu kusahau kwamba hata kodi tu, tunaibiwa, achilia mbali zile billions watoto walizochezea kutukana watu mitandaoni ni za wizi

    naomba ninyamaze maana nimeambiwa siku hizi ukihoji unapotea
     
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    chelenje JF-Expert Member

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    duu!
     
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    ZeMarcopolo JF-Expert Member

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    Acid,
    Asante kwa jibu lako. Umejibu vizuri sana. Tuendelee na mjadala huu mzuri,lakini kuna haja ya kuweka emotions aside.
    Hivyo vigezo ulivyotoa hapo vinaeleze vipi kwa mwananchi wa kawaida kuwa kura zimeibiwa na zimeibiwa in favour of Kikwete?

    Ukisoma vizuri post yangu ya mwanzo kabisa kwenye thread hii, nimetoa mojawapo ya sababu zinazoweza kuwafanya wananchi wakubali yaishe. Sijasema kama mimi nina msimamo gani juu ya matokeo. Hivyo, vigezo kama kuchelewesha matokeo utasemaje vinathibisha kuwa mgombea mmoja amependelewa na ukamjua mgombea mwenyewe! - lazima kuwe na sababu nyingine inayofanya uhisi hivyo, na hiyo ndiyo inahitaji kuelezewa kwa vidhibiti hadharani. Lengo siyo zemarcopolo tu, bali ni watanzania wote waelewe kile kinachoaminika kuwa kimetokea.

    Acid, unapotaka kuthibitisha jambo siyo sahihi kulazimisha mtu lazima aelewe. Kitu ambacho kinaweza kuwa "obvious" kwa mmoja siyo lazima kiwe "obvious" kwa mwingine. Ndio maana kwenye kuelezea allegations kama hizi ni vyema viongozi wa CHADEMA wakaleta vielelezo vya moja kwa moja, ili wananchi ambao waliwapigia kura wawaelewe ipassavyo. Hii ni katika kujibu hoja ya thread, kama jinsi kichwa chake cha habari kinavyosoma.
     
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    Acha nicoment kwa kifupi sana.
    Hakuna marefu yasiyo na ncha. Thus so.
     
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    TIMING JF-Expert Member

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    @ zemarcopolo

    sina cha kuongeza kwani kuna wimbo wa lucky dube unaitwa polital games... naomba uusikilize na mie nimemaliza na wewe

    emotions will never go away because those were the tools which drove our great grand fathers to fight for justice... we tend to ave short memories and question for rationality in unfair setting, on another note, we expect a candidate to stay i na state house until the votes coiunting days yet we talk of fairness

    i wouldnt put emotions aside because in the history of america, these were also teh best tool, and i like word obvious because i get comfort when i say that

    Once upon a time, Malechela was a great man, and i believe kwamba once upon a time vote rigging will be history

    i love my country but i hate people who rape democracy
     
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    ZeMarcopolo JF-Expert Member

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    Kiongozi Acid,
    Asante kwa mara nyingine.
    Nathamini sana jitihada zako za kujenga Tanzania bora.
    Mungu akuongoze.
     
  12. Nyambala

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    Kibaya zaidi kwa sababu imeonekana watu wana hamu sana na change kuna kila uwezekano ikaja kujitokeza mijitu hata kutoka huko CCM isiyo na uadilifu hata chembe, mijizi na mifisadi watanzania wakaamini they are the ones!
     
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    NN:

    Hata kule Ulaya Mashariki, watu walioleta mabadiliko ni watu wa mijini. Huwezi kutawala kwa muda mrefu iwapo unategemea watu waishio kwenye miji midogo au vijijini.
     
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    kenge tumuite kenge na sio mamba , so lets call pumba "pumba"
     
  15. Nyani Ngabu

    Nyani Ngabu Platinum Member

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    Tanzania bado sijaona flashes za uthubutu na ujasiri kama za hao jamaa wa Ulaya mashariki....
     
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    The Finest JF-Expert Member

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    We'll see!!!!
     
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    Companero Platinum Member

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    NN usiusemee moyo wa wenzako!​



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  18. Nyani Ngabu

    Nyani Ngabu Platinum Member

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    CCM bado itaendelea kutesa tu...upende usipende
     
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    Companero Platinum Member

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    NyaniNgabuVateDetMeter ndio inasema hivyo - baada ya kuwafanyia opinion poll Watanzania wangapi?
     
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    Kila chenye mwanzo hakikosi mwisho....
     
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