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2 Cabinet Ministers differ on dress code

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    BAK JF-Expert Member

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    2 Cabinet Ministers differ on dress code

    By Pius Rugonzibwa
    THE CITIZEN
    Cabinet minister Sophia Simba has opposed the recent Government circular on a dress code for public servants, calling it an outdated directive.

    She wondered whose interests the circular issued by the Minister of State in the President's Office (Public Service Management), Ms Hawa Ghasia, was intended to serve.

    The directive was first issued in the early 1960s, but the Community Development, Gender and Children minister said in an interview with The Citizen at the weekend than Tanzanians had changed a lot since the colonial times, adding that it was astonishing that senior Government officials could issue such directives.

    She said there was nothing wrong with public servants coming to work in miniskirts or jeans provided they delivered at their workplaces.

    "The issue should be about competence and ability, not the way one dresses� we should assess public servants through their performance, and not their dressing style," Ms Simba said.

    The Minister said it was time Tanzanians concentrated on their work instead of wasting time debating people's dressing tastes.

    She said today's Tanzanians faced many challenges, adding that it was counterproductive to dwell on how people dressed.

    Ms Simba added that most civil servants were mature and well-educated people who had been public service for many years, and did not need to be reminded on how to dress properly.

    She said her office had not been furnished with the circular, and added that it would not pass without her comment once it arrived.

    She said Tanzanians should not entertain such circulars as the world had changed and Tanzania, being part of the international community, had also changed as it strived to keep pace with advances made in various fields.

    The minister said it was funny that people should be debating how people should dress instead of working hard to raise productivity.

    Tanzania should strive to find solutions to problems the country was facing instead of entertaining outdated thoughts, Ms Simba said, adding that rewinding the "tapes of colonial music" will not help the country in this era of globalisation.

    She said the story about jeans and miniskirts reminded her of the 1984 government directive banning the importation of computers on the grounds that they were luxurious items.

    Not surprisingly, computers started finding their way into the country in large numbers a decade later, and nobody had spoken out against them since, she added.

    "Let us not allow these ideas to divide the nation and confuse us. Do you remember an order prohibiting female Muslim students from putting on �hijabs' at schools? What is happening now?

    "It is normal for such directives die a natural death. Let people put on outfits of their choice provided they don't break the laws of the land or violate regulations governing their employment," she said.

    Ms Simba said the best way to ensure that public servants dressed decently was to state this in their letters of appointment and warn those dressing indecently through internal memorandums.

    "Let us be frank�what is wrong with seeing a beautiful lady in her miniskirt busy in her office? I think we need to change our mindsets on the way we judge things.

    "We are almost swept away by globalisation and we cannot avoid modernising some of our traditions provided they don't harm any body," Ms Simba said.

    She added, however, that she had nothing against her Cabinet colleague, saying it was the timing of the directive that was troubling her.

    Ms Simba said Tanzanians must also accept the fact that the style of delivering services had also changed radically.

    "Let me express my opinion on this�those who are campaigning against miniskirts or jeans should think twice. They have to visit other places like banks and see those ladies over there. They look nice. Don't they? I mean, we need to change," she insisted.

    She said even before globalisation, Africa had its own style of dressing and recalled her years in school when women used to wear miniskirts "and nobody cared". She wondered whether people then were more civilised than now.

    The minister said it was wise to remind Tanzanians that the country had so many circulars in the archives that were outdated, citing the one that prohibited public servants from buying or importing saloon cars in the late 1970s.

    She said civil servants were restricted to driving pickups on the grounds that owning saloon cars was an attempt to live a luxurious life, contrary to the Arusha Declaration of 1967.

    Ms Simba said saloon cars were now scattered everywhere to the extent that the roads "cannot even accommodate them".
     
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    Pundit JF-Expert Member

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    What else is new? Kikwete's minister in conflict, no longer news sadly!
     
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    Sophia Simba is right; Hawa Ghasia is an outdated mini-star with outdated ideas, and perhaps, in outdated clothes. We don't want her in our wardrobes. Hatutaki ghasia zake
     
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    Huyu Ghasia si ndiye aliyesema kuwa Serikali ina mambo mengi muhimu zaidi ya kushughulikia malalamiko ya wafanyakazi..!!!

    Huyu waziri sithani kama busara zake na upeo alionao zinatosheleza kushika nafasi ya uwaziri.
     
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    More important than who is right and wrong is the lack of unity in these public statements made by ministers.It is a clear display of deeper division and lack of leadership.
     
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    Rev. Kishoka JF-Expert Member

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    Hey it is demokrasia na uhuru wa kuzungumza. Kwa Simba kuongea, Ghasia keshaonekana ni pumbafu wa kutosha.

    Let them talk openly, hii mambo ya vimemo vya chini na vikao vya siri vitasababisha yae ya Magufuli kutamka kwa Wananchi kuwabeza wenzake wanaopuuzia vimemo!
     
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    Tuliyasikia ya Maghufuli vs Chenge (tena mbele ya rais), Zitto vs Wangwe, na sasa Simba vs Ghasia. Nakaribia ku-conclude kuwa ni utamaduni unaojengeka sasa Tanzania. Niliwalaumu kina CHADEMA kwa kujibizana magazetini, kumbe si wao tu, ni jamii yetu ndivyo ilivyo!
     
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    Ukiwa waziri unatakiwa ku-implement government policy.Inaonekana wazi kwa sababu kuna conflict hii either at least waziri mmoja hapa hajui au hajali policy.

    Either way is disastrous. I am at a loss as to which is worse.

    Hata baba na mama waliostaarabika wakiwa na tofauti hawagombani mbele ya watoto.Huku ni kukosa ustaarabu kwa hali ya juu na sielewi kushabikia mmomonyoko huu wa maadili based on "free speech" kunatoka wapi.There is no free speech in governmnent, you either implement or change government policy.Short oF that resign from government and fight as a backbencher.Strictly speaking these ministers are not supposed to speak as individuals but as CCM government ministers using the CCM government guidelines, manifesto and policies.

    Again we fail to separate the personal from the institutional.
     
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    Fundi Mchundo JF-Expert Member

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    Mama Simba. Una kura yangu!
     
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    NakuliliaTanzania JF-Expert Member

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    Mwalimu, unakumbuka pia huyu siku za karibuni amekuja na suala la kutoajiri 'watu walio nje ya serikali' katika nafasi ambazo wenyewe wanaita 'senior'?

    Tatizo ndo hilo, CV yake haijai kiganjani lakini amepewa majukumu mazito yanayohusu ajira na maslahi ya wafanyakazi...nikidhani angeshughulikia mishahara na sio eti watu wasivae vimini na jeans maofisini!
     
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    What is government policy? Kama government policy is clearly outdated it should be changed, siyo ghasia dhidi ya Ghasia.

    My worry ni kuwa hatutumii rule of law katika kupinga an outdated government policy.Kama policy ina stink ibadilishwe.I recognized the twisted ppriorities za Ghasia (with a name like that what do you expect? She should be disqualified from public office just from the ghasia that name will generate) but if this is the existing government policy then technically she is right.

    Effort should be placed in changing policies, not attacking individuals.

    While at it, labda tungeweka a clearly documented policy with a solid criteria (no abstraction) ya kupata mawaziri wenye demonstrated track record, then tungeondoa ghasia kama Ghasia zinazokuja na sheria zilizokuwa outdated na hali halisi in the first place.
     
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    Rwabugiri JF-Expert Member

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    Ohhhh.. pooor Ghasia, everything she tries to put her hands turns out to be Ghasia???
     
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    Duh..nilishasahau hoja yake hii pia.

    Naona Ghasia anataka ku-shine katika wizara ambayo mazingira yake ya utendaji chini ya serikali ya ccm yanamfanya aonekane ****.
     
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    Pundit JF-Expert Member

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    Shakespeare was wrong, perception can influence reality and names do matter.

    She better be glad there is no Jay Leno, Letterman and their likes to machete massacre her everytime her name is mentioned.I mean it is just an invitation to...... what else, ghasia!

    OK, OK I will refrain from Britney-Spearing (or is it smearing) her.
     
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    Ogah JF-Expert Member

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    Good fighters always know how to fight a good fight.....................Simba alichofanya ni kichekesho....................ili kutaka kuonyesha hayo anayoyazungumza kuwa na maana then alitakiwa kujenga hoja yake kufuata taratibu zilizowazi mbele yake yeye kama Policy maker...............wakati mwingine hata kama policy ni "shubiri" inabidi tuimeze mpaka pale tutakapojenga hoja ya kuibadilisha............otherwise i support Pundit argument quoted above
     
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    Pundit,

    If there is a government policy on clothes, it couldn't possibly say anything more than that we must put on some clothes before we show up at the office.

    I suppose Ghasia has been too busy watching what people are wearing. Can't they find some real work for her to do?

    Young and upwardly mobile civil servants like to express themselves through fashion. Ghasia should leave them alone. She should neither compete with them nor bully them into dressing like her.
     
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    A-Moshi unaonaje mtu akija na Kichupi ofisini?....

    Simba Hana JIPYA na anaonekana kufeli hata kukosa nidhamu ya kazi, kama mwezie katoa waraka yeye angetoa recent waraka. anayoyatoa ya kufananisha computa na Saloon car wakati zipo policy mpya ni kichekesho. S-Simba anaposema globalization sijui anakusudia nini, kila sehem lazima kuwepo na Taratibu..SS tueleze HAKI za MAKAHABA...Je UKAHABA ni business? hii ndio globalization? Wanaume kulawitiana VIPI..utawapa HAKI MASHOGA...?...SOFIA SIMBA ACHA MAWAZO FINYU...HAWA GHASIA WAS ABSOLUTE RIGHT...
     
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    Dini yake anaileta ofisini na tena ofisi ya Seikali ? Yaani yeye kuvaa namna ile anadhani ndiyo kila mmoja ajifunike maguo mazito ? Pua zake mbaya kama Faruuuuu
     
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    Ogah JF-Expert Member

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    hey hey hey....jamani tuilaani hiyo policy..........na sio kumu-attack mtu.................the same way kama tulivyokuwa tukilaani ile sheria ya kutoajiri watu toka nje ktk senior positions na hii policy iliyopitwa na wakati tuijengee hoja.
     
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    Chuma JF-Expert Member

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    Lunyungu una lako...kudoewa wake za watu...ww unataka Pua yake iweje? yeye Kajiumba? pls omba radhi kuujadili mwili ambao mtu hana mamlaka nayo kuutengeneza...Unaonaje nawe upate mtoto au upate ajali ikawa kiungo chako kiko HAFIFU? utakubali watu wajadili maungo yako?
    Unaposema analeta dini yake ktk serikali...how wengine walioruhusu Jumapili/Jumamosi watu wapumzike?...kwanini isiwe Jumatatu au Nne watu wapumzike...kama sio wao kuleta DINI zao ktk serikali nini?...
    Iweje viongozi wa mashuleni, vyuoni Banks na kwingineko WANAOJISTIRI hawaruhusiwi?...pls think 2ways
     
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