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President Paul Kagame respond to Jakaya Kikwete on FDRL comments 'utter nonsense'

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  1. R.B

    R.B JF-Expert Member

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    Negotiating with FDLR is "utter nonsense" – President Kagame

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    President Paul Kagame has called Tanzanian counterpart, Kikwete's recent FDRL comments "utter nonsense".

    It's for the first time, Kagame is responding to Jakaya Kikwete's comments suggesting that the Rwandan government should negotiate with Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda (FDLR), a DR Congo based rebel group responsible for the 1994 genocide against the Tutsi, in Rwanda.

    Officiating a graduation ceremony of about 45 senior military officers, at the Rwanda Defence Forces Staff and Command College, on Monday, President Kagame, said suggested negotiations with FDLR, were spoken "out of ignorance" of Rwanda's tragic history.

    "I kept quiet for the contempt I have for it (FDLR talks) because I thought it was utter nonsense spoken out of ignorance. We must be left to live our lives the way Rwandans want to live them," observed a visibly incensed Kagame.

    Kagame described Kikwete's counsel as, "dancing on the mass graves of our people."

    President Kikwete's comments were made during a meeting involving parties concerned with the Addis Ababa Peace, Security, and Cooperation Framework for the Democratic Republic of Congo and the region, in February/2013. Addressing participants who included Rwanda and Uganda Presidents, Kikwete suggested that Rwanda's peace talks with FDRL would serve a lasting solution for the DR Congo crisis.

    Meanwhile, Kagame called the military graduands to acquire heightened sense of service and lead by example. He advised them to "operate with the spirit of defiance".

    The graduation ceremony was attended by high ranking government and military officials, members of the diplomatic corp and other guests.

    Sympathy to FDLR
    President Kikwete's comments have not been taken lightly in Rwanda and have since attracted a string of criticism condemning him for being ‘sympathetic' to the FDLR rebel group that is composed of remnant Interahamwe militias. These are blamed for participating in the 1994 Genocide against the Tutsi that claimed over a million victims.

    Earlier comments by Foreign affairs minister, Louise Mushikiwabo described Kikwete's suggestion as "aberrant" and "shocking", while Prof. Pierre Rwanyindo of the Kigali-based Institute of Research and Dialogue for Peace (IRDP) said Kikwete seems to "ignore the history".

    A genocide survivors group also wrote to the US President Barack Obama, highlighting Kikwete's seeming sympathy for a group that the US has shortlisted on its list of terrorist groups.

    Regional peace at stake
    As Tanzania maintains a non apologetic stance for giving what has been described as an ‘uninformed opinion' on FDLR, many observers now believe that Kikwete's comments may not favour regional peace, stability and cooperation. They believe only offers a shadow to hide FDLR's heinous crimes on Congolese for the last 12 years.

    According to a Joint Report on Disarmament and Repatriation of All Armed Groups operating in the DRC published in 2006, FDLR was considered a threat to the entire region.

    The report observed that FDLR/FOCA and other armed groups in the DRC undermine any attempts at establishing a cross border security management system.

    It should be remembered that ALiR merged with FDLR as it tried to distance itself from attacks on Bwindi Forest Lodge in Uganda that claimed the lives of some tourists.

    A brief disturbing history
    After fleeing Rwanda in 1994, FDLR rebels have been operating in the DRC since 2001 after merging with The Army for the Liberation of Rwanda (ALiR).

    Now numbering about 2000, some of its senior officials are blacklisted for committing gross human rights violations, including rape, torture in Democratic Republic of Congo where they are holdup. The United States alone has staked $5 million (about Rwf3.2 billion) for information leading to the arrest, transfer and conviction of FDLR's leader Sylvestre Mudacumura. Trials for FDLR leaders Ignace Murwanashyaka and Straton Musoni started 2011 in Germany.

    Western experts without expertise
    During his address at Nyakinama, President Kagame also accused the UN Group Experts for lack of expertise on African affairs. "They're experts for one reason – they come from our colonial masters," he said in direct reference to UN reports alleging Rwanda's involvement in the DRC crisis. Rwanda has since termed them as "biased" and "unfounded"

    "The same people who wrote Rwanda's story in 2012 are the same people waiting to do the same this year."

    "We can't have people running around saying all sorts of things… some still believe we must be held on a leash by colonial masters," he added.

    Call for home-grown solutions
    President Kagame reminded guests that Rwanda was bent on seeking home-grown solutions for development and welfare of Rwandans.

    "Home-grown solutions are not only efficient, but also more operational and sustainable," he said in reference to a set of policies and programmes initiated in Rwanda to respond to its unique challenges. These include Gacaca Courts for trying Genocide suspects, Umuganda for community welfare and bonding, Gir'inka that aims to improving people's welfare through the One-Cow-per- one household, Ubudehe, an agricultural programme for improving yields and creating jobs. A recent one is Agaciro Development Fund which has so far raised Rwf30 billion to supplement the national budget.

    On aid cuts to Rwanda, President Kagame warned against such threats since Rwandans can still survive within the available means.
    "We can go back to our mountains and grow our potatoes. We did it and we survived," he said.

    Rwanda recently experienced massive aid cut by donors Germany, the UK, the Netherlands and the US, but most of it has since been reinstated.

    "The will of our people is the will of our people and cannot be dictated," Kagame observed before concluding his speech given after honouring the best performing military officers at the academy.

     
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  2. Rufiji

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    Pamoja na tofauti zangu juu ya CCM na Rais Kikwete kwa ujumla; kwa hili, napingana na kile Kagame alichokisema. Lugha iliyotumiwa na Kagame sio ya kidplomasia na inaonyesha dhahiri dharau zake zidi ya Rais Kikwete.

    Lakini kama kweli anataka amani ya kudumu basi ana budi kufuata huo ushauri. Tumeona leo kule Afghanistan, Marekani wanatafuta njia ya kuwashirikisha Taliban katika serikali. Kagame inabidi afike sehemu, akubali kwenda mbele na kutafuta muafaka wa kudumu.
     
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    Hakika mwisho wa wahamiaji haramu wa kitusi na muuaji kagame unakaribia, anafikiri Tanzania yote ni mtu mmoja? poor president kagame, shame upon you!
     
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    ana hasira na chuki kali baada ya majeshi ya Tanzania kwenda kuzuia mauaji anayoendelea kuwafanyia wakongo, kwa kilio cha wakongo, hasira za mungu zi juu yako nyangau kagame!
     
  5. mkaza vema

    mkaza vema Senior Member

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    Kagame naona anasahau historia kwamba sisi we dictate the great lake region tunaweza mweka madarakani yeyote tumtakae asisahau tulicho fanya kongo,uganda etc
     
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    kidadari JF-Expert Member

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    Shameless president Kagame! Killings thousands of Hutu and act as he Know nothng!
     
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    Hydrobenga JF-Expert Member

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    Kesho Tunaanza Opresheni hamisha watutsi...
    Hawa jamaa wana ndoto za kutaka kutawala Afrika Mashariki....
     
  8. Nyani Ngabu

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    I see where Kagame is coming from.
     
  9. Lukolo

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    Its well known that Kagame was part of the gangsters who shot Habyarimana's plane, leading to the mass killings in Rwanda. Some investigative reports show that Kagame, being supported by Uganda which offered the missiles that were used for shooting down the Habyarimana's plane, went into a hide immediately after the bombing; where, with the help of Museveni he organized an armed force that went back to Rwanda as a mediating army being lead by the Ugandan brigade.

    Kagame's grief over FDLR, is more on the fear of the revenge. He understand very well that, after the Tutsi under Kagame, had killed Habyarimana, the Hutu's revenge was to kill the Tutsi (cockroaches) wherever they were. It is said that when RPF (Kagame's party) conquered Rwanda by the end of 1994 with the help of Uganda, the majority of the Hutu (over 2000000) ran away from the country. Majority of them going to Zaire, where they formed an armed force to fight back the RPF. So in-fact there is no history which shows that, the FDLRs were the solely organizers of the mass killings as claimed by Kagame and his followers, but they are the most unwanted because they are fighting against the Tutsi party, Kagame's party (the RPF). Before Kagame can stand up and point fingers to Kikwete he should rethink of his acts since the first attack to Rwanda in 1990 and later on in 1994 when they killed Habyarimana? Couldn't it be the killings of Habyarimana there wasn't going to be a genocide in Rwanda because Habyarimana had already accepted and signed for a coalition government.

    By the way who are all these people who are making so much noise over Kikwete's advice. Its no wonder that they are all Tutsi, its no wonder that their grief over Hutu is ongoing. Why are they so alarmed by Kikwete's comment; a very normal comment, which one can decide to accept or decline? I believe there is something underneath that is perpetuating these noises among the Rwandans - tribalism, is still on hold - I guess. Their problem is not what Kikwete said, but is on the consequence of the talk with the FDLRs.
     
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    Hakuna cha ushauri, wakati tumeshindwa kukaa na wanaMtwara meza moja kutatua tatizo la Gass. Viva Kagame
     
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    Tatizo Kikwete unataka kuleta the rule of international morality kwa waafrika wasiojua kuweka pembeni emotions na kufikiri kwa mchakato, peace will remain to be a Selassian illusion, to be pursued, but never attained.

    Kagame anasema hawezi kuzungumza na FDLR wakati Rwanda anaendesha Gacaca courts ambazo kimsingi zinarudi kwenye kanuni ile ile ya kumaliza tofauti kwa mazungumzo.

    Hilarious!
     
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    This is what I call comparing apples to oranges.

    Granted, all politics is hypocrisy (and therefore no politics is hypocrisy by the way), and to be truthful Kikwete is being "conveniently conciliatory" in that he is not being consistent, but still, if you really are for reconciliation you should laud Kikwete in his stand on Rwanda, and ask him to apply the same reconciliatory acumen in Mtwara.

    Right now you look full of schadenfreude, which is as basic as asexual reproduction.
     
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    Anae bisha na kuleta kejeli juu ya kauli ya kikwete ajiulize anafaidika na nini kwa wakongo kuuwawa na askri wa kagame? Lakhni mwisho wa siku kagame atambue kuwa sisi ni taifa kubwa tunaweza hata yeye kumwondoa madarakani na kumweka mtu wetu kama tulivyo fanya uganda kongo na burundi
     
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    Sisi ni taifa kubwa na tunaweza kuweka kibaraka wetu Rwanda? Are you kidding me?
     
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    This is crash of character incompatibility.

    Pres Kikwete, a solder, soft spoken with soft approach while Pres Kagame, a solder, solf spoken with ruthless approach.

    I knew, it was coming. He never accept positive or negative criticism.

    His character says all and more importantly, kwa sasa ana nyodo nyingi. He has wooed powerful lobby groups in the UK and US such as businessman and some section of Christian evangelicals to keep Westminster and Washington on side.

    Siasa za Africa kwa sasa lazima uzicheze na western BIG BOYS in your side. The guy has done remarkably well.

    He can say and do anything because of the western power backup.

    Hizi ndizo siasa.
     
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    Kagame, huo ni ushauri uliotolewa na Raisi wa Tanzania. Leave it or take it! Ni uamuzi wako as the current of President of Rwanda. Nina uhakika, Mnyarwanda yoyote atakaekurithi kama Raisi wa Rwanda hataupuuza huo ushauri wa Mzee wetu SINBAD!
     
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    Hauko serious!
     
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    Assist me here fellaz....why did we send our troops to rid M23 and not use these mighty reconcilliatory 'tekniksi' ?
     
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    Ninapenda kuchukua fursa hii kuulizia credibility ya Rais Paul Kagame:
    Hivi Kama yeye ni muadilifu General Nkunda yuko wapi? Na Huko DRC hakuua?watu hawakubakwa! Mbona anakuwa double standard? Nani hajui kuwa na yeye amehusika Katika mambo mengi tu? Imefika hatua akae na waasi.

    Hakuna asiyejua kuwa anakandamiza Demokrasia Rwanda, na wanyarwanda amkeni sasa mdai haki zenu za kitaifa kwa njia ya Amani japokuwa ni hatari Saaana
     
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    Mimi nimependa Kagame alivyojibu: "I kept quiet for the contempt I have for it (FDLR talks) because I thought it was utter nonsense spoken out of ignorance . We must be left to live our lives the way Rwandans want to live them," observed a visibly incensed Kagame. Kagame described Kikwete's counsel as, "dancing on the mass graves of our people."
     

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