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Jenerali Ulimwengu: This laughable Bill will only deliver us a stillborn Katiba; let’s start again..

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Zed, Nov 21, 2011.

  1. Zed

    Zed JF-Expert Member

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    [h=1]This laughable Bill will only deliver us a stillborn Katiba; let’s start again, shall we?[/h]
    There has been more posturing and grandstanding than explanation and clarification and where we might have expected light, all we’ve got is heat.
    It looks to me like we are about to squander another opportunity to do great things simply because of the desire of some politicians to score debating points by obscuring issues.

    This state of affairs is not necessarily surprising for those who have followed the saga from its start. As stated above, the minister said there was no writing of a new Constitution, but those with particular issues they wanted to raise with the current one could do so by jotting down a list of likes and dislikes.

    This produced an outcry from civil society and opposition politicians, who condemned the minister and called for her removal.
    Surprisingly, the president promptly went public, saying a new Constitution would indeed be written and that he was about to take action to see to that. But the minister was not going to eat humble pie so easily, so she put together, hugger-mugger, a Bill that was so laughable that the only conclusion has to be that she wanted it to be rejected outright by parliament, which it duly was.

    One reason it was thrown out was that it had been drafted in English in a country where that colonial language has been banished, but there were other issues too, such as the immense powers vested in the president in the whole process.
    Now, she has tabled another Bill very similar to the first one, only it is in Kiswahili this time.

    The opposition parties have rejected this one too, especially the declared intention to hurry it through parliament with a view to enacting it into law before it has been debated by the public. Once again horns have been locked, but the bigger bull has the bigger horns represented by a crushing majority in parliament. So, willy-nilly, it will become law.

    The response of the opposition has been to boycott the debate on the Bill, so every time a debate session has started, they have walked out to demonstrate their displeasure.

    The response of civil society, especially a motley group calling itself Jukwaa la Katiba (Forum on the Constitution) has been to threaten mass demonstrations across the land if the government goes ahead with a rushed process, which is exactly what the government is doing.

    Are all these signs of big trouble coming our way, or are they just the symptoms of a tired governance structure sagging under its own weight on the one hand, and on the other a rising political desperation on the part of a population that feels the urge to break out of a cocoon but doesn’t know how? I don’t know…

    Matters are further complicated by the absence of a culture of argumentation and disputation, which has given way to threats and ultimatums. In a polity where politics is dead and leadership has become dealership and leaders have become dealers, what counts is what seems to work today, for tomorrow might dawn without us.

    It looks to me like this project is dead on arrival, squashed into lifelessness by an inept midwife and a mother too scared to push properly.

    There was a case for no conception at all in the first place, for stillborns are a source of misery, not joy.

    I have said it before, but it suffers repeating.

    We have lost our way and need to retrace our steps to the point where we went astray, and from there determine exactly where we were headed when we set out. This constitutional debate among the deaf, without some basic entente, will only push us deeper into the wilderness

    Source: Editorial: The East African Newspaper
     
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    asakuta same JF-Expert Member

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    well said ,we need peaceful process so ccm must listen ,jk must listen n we must remain tanzanians.
     
  3. Zak Malang

    Zak Malang JF-Expert Member

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    Penye rangi: Nimeipenda hiyo. Kwa ujumla jenerali kazungumza lililo la ukweli kabisa -- ila tu WEatz wengi, hasa Wabunge, bado wamzama katika upofu wa ufuasi wa vyama.
     
  4. Wilawela

    Wilawela Member

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    Hodi wana JF?
    Hongera Generali ulimwengu kwa kuthubutu kusema ukweli bila kujali Madhara yake kwani wewe ni mhanga(victim) wa ukweli bila kujali itikadi za kisiasa unasimamia ukweli na utanzania! Hongera sana wengine pia tuige .Tu watanzania kwanza na baadaye wana TAA, TANU ,ASP, CCM ,CMD ,CUF ,UDP UMD ,JAHAZI ASILI nk.
     
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    Stuxnet JF-Expert Member

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    I concur with the commentary in the East African; if bis honourable JK wants this process to proceed the product will be 'ectopic'. Consequences of ectopic process culminate in deaths
     
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    cheichei2010 JF-Expert Member

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    ,and these are the so called "ISSUES"but when it comes to politics,politicians would not like to hear about this."it is a vey difficult pill to swallow"CCM Oyee!!!!!
     
  7. Kamakabuzi

    Kamakabuzi JF-Expert Member

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    Indeed immense powers vested in the president in the whole process:
    -establishing the commission,
    -appointing its members
    -giving them the terms of reference
    -appointing a secretary to the secretariat etc
    -proclaiming a constituent assembly
    -appointing all members of the assembly (except the two from Zanzibar)
    -using the national electoral commission whose chairman is appointed by the same president!

    To me I see the commission being a presidential commission and the whole process being presidential and not belonging to the public. How can you expect public views that are negative to the president appear in the constitution

    !
     
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    AzimiolaArusha Senior Member

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    Once again tanzanian, tumenyamaza na kuona kawaida wakati tumewekewa mcha ya upanga shingoni mwetu!!!!??? walitunyima elimu ya uraia haya ndo matokeo yake!!!!! hatujui wajibu wetu, hatujui haki zetu, hatujijui, na hatujijali!!!!
     
  9. bakuza

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    No comment
     
  10. Richard

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    It is saga and will remain so for unseeable future.

    Martin Luther King once said- " Human progress is neither automatic nor inevitable.
    Every step towards the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individual".

    This bill need no fast-tracking, it needs people to think properly, and only the MPs are the ones to bare responsibility to make sure we have open and clear Katiba, otherwise we will have stillborn one.

    Stillborn one never move.
     
  11. Makene

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    JK on his sermon to the ccm sage, he stated that the current bill is so good and it has brought us this far.This is paradoxic; if he find the bill satisfactory, why pretend to be in favour of enacting a new constitution, while in actuality he mean to cause more pain with the bill processes. And if he is aware there is need to reform our constitution then he must be the most cheated Tanzanian.He shows how mean he is by trying to confuse the mass that some people took a bill as a constitution. This is not only laughable but threatening.
     
  12. MANI

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    Tatizo MKuu watu wanaogopa ajira zao !
     
  13. Zed

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    I find JK's argument very fallacious. He argued that he is taken the same procedures, once taken by his predecessors! Well JK, we are amending the law because the same procedures are obsolete now, they might have delivered then but can't now or did not deliver! Celine and Werema had categorically pronounced that there was no need for constitution re-writing, the bill reflects this their spirit! Third, Mr. President, you were talking as if you don't know that Tanzanians have lost confidence in you in particular, and thus why they so vehemently wish you have a minimum role to the rewriting of the new constitution. Just reads between the lines. If you were in a really democratic country, you would have resigned like Berlusconi!
     
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    Guys lets look for the way forward to deal with those morons,as the bill has been passed and became the law,then what next? Are we going to be crying babies for the rest of our lives?
     
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    Upofu uliowapiga viongozi wa serikali hii inaonekana ni laana. Sijui toka kwa nani. Ni vizuri kuwasikiliza wale wanaothubutu kusema "mfalme yuko uchi" hata kama ni mmoja. Kuliko mia wanampigia makofi kwa ajili ya matumbo yao yasijesahaulika! Ni bora kujisahihisha mapema katika swala hili kabla halijafika mbali. Ndio ustaarabu huo.
     
  16. Azimio Jipya

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    It is serious, I have come to learn that every generation in history must be responsible for its freedom fighting! JK generation was that of Mwalimus which fought for independence and freedom in 1960s.

    BUT

    JK and his allies has turned out to be oppressors and anti human!! Who in all means needs the same process of freedom fighters to take them out!

    WHY?

    Every generation must, in oder to acquire the real meaning of life itself, experience the sense of self fighting for true freedom and independence!

    And that is where new generation of 2000s find itself ... to fight out the generation of 1960s..
     
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    Jenelali Ulimwengu , thanks very much. kasinge waitu
     
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    The penalty the right people pay for indifference to public affair,is to be ruled by the wrong people like J.KIKWETE and his party.
     
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    I wish all the words said by people as critiques to Kikwete and ccm bill would turn into actions. Kikwete and ccm have turned their ears deef, if not off; they hear but pretend that they don't hear. Whatever is spoken agaist it sound to them as a drum beat, musical instrument, that intatain them. There is only one thing that can be done, TAKE ACTION, SPEAK BY ACTION; with a slogan: WE DON'T BUY (WANT) THIS BILL, WE NEED PEOPLE'S BILL. This should be said by ALL PEOPLE in the country TOGETHER! People's power never fail.
     
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    I am sorry to say that President Kiwete of CCM is as deaf as dead.

    He has soaked cotton wools in his ears! He won't listen to nobody except his Magamba henchmen! This is a kind of a president we have now in Tanzania. A lazy president, a coward president,a hypocrite president, a handsome by looking but very ugly in his heart!

    What do we expect from a Pesident who will shy away from taking TOUGH DECISIONS ON ISSUES like EPA,MEREMETA,DEEP GREEN,DOWANS PAYMENT sagas etc. President Kiwete is very coward that's why he is dumb on the most corrupted men in this country!

    To hell with Kiwete,he is a failed president,he must quit as soon as possible.
     
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