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Zanzibar itatawaliwa na Wazanzibari - Seif Sharrif

Discussion in 'Uchaguzi Tanzania' started by Mzee Mwanakijiji, Oct 23, 2010.

  1. Mzee Mwanakijiji

    Mzee Mwanakijiji Platinum Member

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    Niliuliza hili swali huko nyuma kuwa Mzanzibari ni nani? sikupata jibu zuri la kiakili. Baada ya kumsikia Seif akiapa kuwa "hatatoka mtu mahali popote duniani kuja kutawala Zanzibar na kuwa Zanzibar itatawaliwa na Wazanzibari" nimeshindwa kuelewa anaposema "Wazanzibari" anamaanisha watu gani?

    a. Wananchi wanaoishi Zanzibar na ambao wametimiza masharti ya ukazi ya Zanzibar hata kama kinasaba hawana asili ya Zanzibar?

    b. Wananchi wa Zanzibar ambao wanahistoria ya muda mrefu huko Zanzibar hata kama wako nje ya eneo la jiografia la Zanzibar?

    c. Wazanzibari kama watu wenye kuamini na kuitamani nchi iliyokuwepo kabla ya Uhuru wa Mwingereza?

    d. Wazanzibari waliokuwa chini ya uongozi wa Serikali ya kwanza ya Shamte kabla ya Mapinduzi?

    e. Wazanzibari chini ya Serikali ya Mapinduzi?

    f. Wazanzibari kama watu wote wenye kujitambua kuwa wana asili ya Zanzibar hata kama hawaishi Zanzibar au hawajawahi kuishi Zanzibar hivi karibuni?

    Kwa mfano, Mmakonde aliyezaliwa na kukulia Zanzibar atatambulika kama Mzanzibari? Je mmshirazi ambaye wazazi wake wametokea Zanzibar lakini amekulia Tanga na ana familia Zanzibar huyo naye ni Mzanzibari?

    Bado najiuliza Mzanzibari ni nani hasa?
     
  2. Mzee Mwanakijiji

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    Watu nadhani wanashindwa au hawataki kuangalia tu tunachosema ni kitu gani.. je mwarabu wa Zanzibar anaweza kutawala Zanzibar kwa sababu naye ni Mzanzibari?
     
  3. Mtu wa Pwani

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    hilo nalo la kuuliza mbona wapo wanatawala huyu mheshimiwa karume ana damu ya kinyasa (baba yake) na ya kiarabu (mama yake) madam ametimiza masharti ya katiba sisi hatuna pingamizi

    ww una lako hutaki kuliweka wazi hebu liweke uchi tulione
     
  4. Mzee Mwanakijiji

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    Mtu wa Pwani, wala sina miye nasikiliza maneno tu. Naamini kwa haki kabisa Zanzibar lazima itawaliwe na Wazanzibari kisheria. Kitu ambacho sikukielewa ni kwanini Maalim anawahakikishia watu kuwa Zanzibar haitotawaliwa na watu wasio Wazanzibari. Aidha, kuna tetesi kuwa kuna Watu wasio Wazanzibari wanataka kutawala au Baadhi ya wagombea siyo Wazanzibari wanataka kutawala. Yote mawili yana matatizo.

    Sijasikia kama kuna mtu kutoka nje ya Zanzibar anataka kuitawala Zanzibar na sijui kama kuna mgombea yoyote sasa hivi ambaye si Mzanzibari. Kama yote haya mawili ni kweli, kwanini kuwahikishia watu kuwa Zanzibar haitotawaliwa na watu wasio Wazanzibari, au ni kile kinachoitwa ni redundancy?
     
  5. Ami

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    Na mke wake ni mwarabu.
    yULE MFALME WA MWISHO WA ZANZIBAR ALIKUWA NI MZANZIBARI,kafanana sana na mzee Mwanakijiji.
    Nini wewe mwanakijiji ! kuleta upuuzi huu.Unapenda sana wazanzibari wagombane kwa choko choko zako.
     
  6. Ami

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    Maalilm Seif ni mgombea na ni mwanasiasa wa miaka mingi.Anajuwa mengi na anapelekewa taarifa kila aina nyingine za umbea tu.
    Kwa namna yoyote ile yeye ni mtu wa kusikilizwa zaidi kuliko wewe mwanakijiji.Kwa sababu hata ikiwa ni umbeya basi utakaoupata wewe utakuwa ni ujinga zaidi na fitna.
    Unaposema SIJASIKIA,nani akuletee wewe taarifa,na wewe ni nani?.


     
  7. Mzee Mwanakijiji

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    hapana Ami sipendi kweli Wazanzibari wagombane au mtu mwingine yoyote; ila sipendi zitafutwe sababu za kuwaganywa na kuwagombanisha. Mchagga ambaye amehamia Zanzibar na kutimiza masharti ya ukazi ya Zanzibar atakuwa ni Mzanzibari na atakuwa na haki ya kutawala Zanzibar, au hili haliwezekani?
     
  8. Ami

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    Hivyo ndivyo ilivyo.Kama unavyoshangaa kwamba hakukuwa na sababu ya Seif kusema vile,pamoja na kwamba kuna mantiki kutokana na vionjo alivyonavyo vya kuwa mgombea uraisi.
    Kwa upande wako hukukuwa na haja ya kuonesha hisia hizo wakati hilo ndilo linaloendelea kwa sasa huko Zanzibar.Kila mwenye kufikia vigezo vya kuwa mzanzibari hakuna anayepinga kuwa mtawala.Kwani wangapi wenye asili ya kichagga wameshatawala Zanzibar katika nafasi mbali mbali.Tatizo la kwako nahisi mara nyingi hujisikii vizuri akitawala mwengine mwenye asili tuseme ya Arabuni au Msumbiji.
     
  9. Mzee Mwanakijiji

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    absolutely wrong, mimi kwa Zanzibar nataka Seif ashinde, lakini siyo ashinde halafu watu waanze kelele za kuwa tunabaguliwa kwa Uunguja na Upemba kwani huko nyuma watawala wote wa Zanzibar baada ya uhuru wametokea Unguja na watu wa Pemba wakajikuta wanalalamika kama kutengwa hivi japo nao ni Wazanzibari.. Ni muhimu ukubaliane nami kuwa wananchi wote wenye haki ya Zanzibar bila kujali asili yao, rangi zao, dini zao au makabila yao wana haki sawa ya kuifurahia na kuitumikia Zanzibar, unakubaliana nami?
     
  10. K

    Kazi Ndiyo Kipimo Cha Utu JF-Expert Member

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    Mkandara!
    Seif amehusishwa mara nyingi na wapinzani wake ktk kumbandika Tag ya kwamba waki
    mchagua Seif atarudisha utawala wa kisultani Zanzibar hivyo anawaambia wapiga kura wa Zanzibar kwamba Zanzibar itatawaliwa na wazanzibari .
     
  11. Mzee Mwanakijiji

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    KNKU.. welcome back buddy! swali langu ndilo liko hapo, kwani Sultani wa Zanzibar aliacha lini kuwa Mzanzibari?
     
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    Thanks!
    Na arudi kama naye ni MZANZIBAR!
     
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    Mwanakijiji!
    Kwani Historia inatueleza nini kuhusu Sultan?Pili Katiba ya Zanzibar imeainisha vipi kuhusu ni nani Mzazinzibari?
     
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    si lazima yeye mwenyewe arudi, uzao wake unaweza kurudi au hata watu wengine ambao waliondoka Zanzibar baada ya Mapinduzi ambao hata toka ugenini bado wanatambua Zanzibar ya Sultani siyo ya haya mapinduzi. Ndio maana kwangu mimi Seif akisema kuwa "Sultani na uzao wake hawana haki ya kutawala Zanzibar" atakuwa amesema kitu ambacho ni kizito sana. Hawezi kusema hili hata hivyo. Si kwa sababu anataka Sultani arudi bali kuappease wale wengine ambao wanamuunga mkono kwa sababu he is more tolerant na Sultani labda kuliko mahafidhina wa CCM.
     
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    Kazi Ndiyo Kipimo Cha Utu JF-Expert Member

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    Ndiyo maana nimeuliza katiba ya wazanzibari inasemaje kuhusu ili?Kama Inamtambua kama naye ni Mzanzibari kwa mujibu wa katiba basi bado kauli ya Seif haina utata na kama haimtambui pia kauli yake haina utata kwani alichosema yeye ni kwamba kila mzanzibari kwa mujibu wa katiba yao anahaki ya kuchaguliwa kuongoza zanzibar.
     
  16. Mzee Mwanakijiji

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    Hapana hakusema hivyo.. angesema hivyo wala kusingekuwa na tatizo.
     
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    Ndio maana nasema definition of who is Zanzibari is decided by Seif Sharif Hamad, not by the isles constitution. Hakuwa na maana yoyote ya kusema Zanzibar itatawaliwa na wazanzibar kwa kuwa katiba imesema wazi nani ni mzanzibar na nani anatakiwa kutawala Zanzibar. Yeye amezungumzia mzanzibari (akimtenga mzanzibara) unless aje na ufafanuzi mwingine.
     
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    TULIKOTOKA

    WAKAJA JUUU

    WAKO WAPI?
     
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