WIKILEAKS: Membe vs French Govt

[Game Theory]

I guess Membe needed to be told the only way you can understand the French is to keep in mind that they were a great power until the mid 1800s, and since then they have lost every war (against the Germans). They have been rescued by their traditional rivals, the Anglo-Saxons. Since then they have grown, but ony on the coat-tails of their traditional enemy, the Germans. Of course they are neurotic and illogical, Membe should have seen this coming from the French.

C O N F I D E N T I A L DAR ES SALAAM 000057

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/25/2020
TAGS: PREL TZ SO LY FR MA
SUBJECT: FM MEMBE ON AU SUMMIT (LIBYA, FRANCE, AND SOMALIA)

REF: A. 2009 DAR ES SALAAM 96
¶B. 2009 DAR ES SALAAM 301
¶C. 2009 DAR ES SALAAM 869
¶D. 2009 DAR ES SALAAM 516

Classified By: Ambassador Alfonso E. Lenhardt for reasons 1.4 (b/d)

¶1. (C) SUMMARY: Foreign Minister Bernard Membe previewed for Ambassador Lenhardt his expectations of the upcoming African Union Summit January 25. Membe expressed concern about a Libyan move to retain the AU Chair, which Tanzania would oppose. He criticized the French role in Madagascar and elsewhere on the continent and put out a feeler on possible U.S. support for Tanzanian training of Somali troops.
END SUMMARY.

¶2. (C) FM Membe said Tanzania was concerned with Libya's resistance to Malawi assuming the AU Chair. He said Qaddafi wanted a second term to transform the AU into a continental government, with the further aim of giving Qaddafi a UN Security Council seat with veto power. Membe said Tanzania opposed a second term for Qaddafi, which had no justification. He said Libya's fallback plan was to pull out of the AU, along with 21 other countries. Membe added that Qaddafi was pushing for member states to ratify the amendment to the Constitutive Act that would enable the AU Commission to become an Authority. Membe suggested that many had not done so because of Qaddafi's pressure for a continental government.

¶3. (C) Membe turned to a discussion of "hot spots," with a particular attention to the negative influence of France. On Madagascar, Membe said he suspected the French were "putting their hands in" to complicate the situation. He said Rajoelina was resisting the appeal to comply with the Chissano recommendations for a transitional government and was insisting on running the transition himself, without a coalition. Membe asserted SADC would retain its sanctions on Madagascar. Membe went on to assert that the French have maintained control of security and intelligence matters in their former colonies since independence and are still recruiting and training intelligence officers for those countries. He added that all the recent African coups had occurred in Francophone countries (Note: he included Lusophone Guinea-Bissau. End Note.): "We don't know why but we fear France is responsible." He said SADC might "point a finger" at France during the Summit. (Comment: This is not the first time Membe has spoken ill of the French. See ref b.)

¶4. (C) Membe concluded by touching on Somalia, where he said things were going well. He said he had called the Turkish Foreign Minister to advise letting the "International Contact Group" to conclude its work (ref c). Membe noted the Summit would discuss sanctions on Eritrea and ways to improve security in Somalia, including working with Nigeria, Ghana, Senegal and Malawi to fill AMISOM's gap of six thousand troops. Recalling that Tanzania had offered to train one thousand Somali soldiers in 2008, Membe said Somalia was preparing to send a delegation to Tanzania to discuss the training again. He asked whether the U.S. could provide logistic and financial support for the training, as we had offered in the past. (Comment: When this issue last surfaced seriously in 2007, U.S. support was contingent on the government of Somalia providing a clan-vetted list of officers to be trained, which never materialized. Moreover, the U.S. proposal in 2007 was to support training 250 officers, not 1000. With Tanzania now committed to training Congolese troops for MONUC, the capacity of the Tanzanian Peoples Defense Force to train Somalis as well may be limited. See ref d and prior.)

LENHARDT

 

[HNIC]

acha kumfuata fuata Membe wewe

haya ma cable ni feki tupu

 

[bi mkora]

acha kumfuata fuata Membe wewe

haya ma cable ni feki tupu

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[Hossam]

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Baada ya kuona wanazidiwa sasa magamba yanaanza kujiregister na JF ili kuchota busara, dada yangu umeliumbua vizuri kabisa. Ila mie nisamehe...lol

 

[RAJ PATEL JR]

FM Membe said Tanzania was concerned with Libya's resistance to Malawi assuming the AU Chair. He said Qaddafi wanted a second term to transform the AU into a continental government, with the further aim of giving Qaddafi a UN Security Council seat with veto power. Membe said Tanzania opposed a second term for Qaddafi, which had no justification. He said Libya's fallback plan was to pull out of the AU, along with 21 other countries. Membe added that Qaddafi was pushing for member states to ratify the amendment to the Constitutive Act that would enable the AU Commission to become an Authority. Membe suggested that many had not done so because of Qaddafi's pressure for a continental government

The same Membe says he's opposed to the idea of recognizing the Libyan rebels!!

 

[bi mkora]

Baada ya kuona wanazidiwa sasa magamba yanaanza kujiregister na JF ili kuchota busara, dada yangu umeliumbua vizuri kabisa. Ila mie nisamehe...lol

Tena hili ni depo jipya maalumu kwa ajili ya igunga.

 

[Xavery]

Duh! Msaada wa IT kwa security na intelligence organizations ni upi? The classified are getting out.

 

[Apollo]

acha kumfuata fuata Membe wewe
haya ma cable ni feki tupu

feki unao ushahidi? Juan Assange unafikiri aliropoka tu kama wewe unavyoropoka? Mkamateni kama mtamuweza. Wikileaks wanazo documents sio wameropoka tu. Safi wikileaks endeleeni kuusema uchafu wa serikali yetu.

 

[Ndinani]

acha kumfuata fuata Membe wewe

haya ma cable ni feki tupu

Hakuna anaemfuata fuata Membe hapa ; kinachofanyika ni kuonesha ujinga wake na jinsi asivyostahilli kuwa waziri!!

 

[HNIC]

Hakuna anaemfuata fuata Membe hapa ; kinachofanyika ni kuonesha ujinga wake na jinsi asivyostahilli kuwa waziri!!

Tazama threads za Sliding roof na Membe, utafkiri jamaa anamdai au alimdhulumu pesa

hampumzishi Membe sijaona thread hata moja ambayo inamhusu membe au foreign ambayo huyu SR hajamkandia waziri au msaidizi wake

 

[Nsiande]

Tazama threads za Sliding roof na Membe, utafkiri jamaa anamdai au alimdhulumu pesa<br />
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hampumzishi Membe sijaona thread hata moja ambayo inamhusu membe au foreign ambayo huyu SR hajamkandia waziri au msaidizi wake

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Hapa si ameonyesha what the whole world now can see on Membe ? Its not personal

 

[Steve Dii]

Tazama threads za Sliding roof na Membe, utafkiri jamaa anamdai au alimdhulumu pesa

hampumzishi Membe sijaona thread hata moja ambayo inamhusu membe au foreign ambayo huyu SR hajamkandia waziri au msaidizi wake

Hapana. Unasema uongo! Walau jisomee basi HAPA wewe mwenyewe aliyoyaandika SlidingRoof akimtetea Mh. Membe. Kama Eng. Nsiande anavyo imply, you guys take matters too personal, hata pale mtu anapokuwa ana criticise utendaji wa watu na ku-challenge mifumo mnaona kama ni personal attacks!! Mkipata madaraka ya kuongoza watu, kubalini pia criticism na challenges zinazoendana na majukumu yenu, else mnazidi kudumaza Taifa letu!!

 

[Kobello]

Sioni baya lililosemwa hapo.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Sioni baya lililosemwa hapo.

Kweli Mkuu mbona hakudhubutu kumwambia gadafi badala yake akaenda kumchongea, by the way habari za Beppushi Oita? kimbunga kimewaponyesha?

 

[Kobello]

Kweli Mkuu mbona hakudhubutu kumwambia gadafi badala yake akaenda kumchongea, by the way habari za Beppushi Oita? kimbunga kimewaponyesha?

Ghadaffi mbona anaijua Tanzania vizuri tu, na anajua msimamo wa Tanzania kuhusu kuruhusu wanajeshi kuingia kwenye siasa kama alivyopendekeza yeye na Idris Derby!!...Jk alimwaga hotuba kiswahili, viongozi wengi sana walimsifu kwa kumdindishia mtemi wa Afrika....matokeo,akaomba msamaha na kukubali yaishe.
Sio kila kitu unachosoma JF basi ndio ukiamini, Ghadaffi wasn't that cool with JK as many circus hollers here think, siasa haziko hivyo ndugu yangu,it's a game of fake people,most of the things you see are just fake!! Slaa na Pinda, Mbowe/Zitto na Kikwete hawako maadui kama mnavyofikiria, they are all friends!!.
OOH BY THE WAY,I DONT RESIDE IN JAPAN....It's the Lou (as in St. Louis)

 

[arigold]

ohh kanunuliwa siti mara ohh sijui niini

mbona hapa hajavaa hiyo suti mnayompakazia?

 

[Prodigal Son]

Ghadaffi mbona anaijua Tanzania vizuri tu, na anajua msimamo wa Tanzania kuhusu kuruhusu wanajeshi kuingia kwenye siasa kama alivyopendekeza yeye na Idris Derby!!...Jk alimwaga hotuba kiswahili, viongozi wengi sana walimsifu kwa kumdindishia mtemi wa Afrika....matokeo,akaomba msamaha na kukubali yaishe.
Sio kila kitu unachosoma JF basi ndio ukiamini, Ghadaffi wasn't that cool with JK as many circus hollers here think, siasa haziko hivyo ndugu yangu,it's a game of fake people,most of the things you see are just fake!! Slaa na Pinda, Mbowe/Zitto na Kikwete hawako maadui kama mnavyofikiria, they are all friends!!.
OOH BY THE WAY,I DONT RESIDE IN JAPAN....It's the Lou (as in St. Louis)

Mkuu
Uliyoyasema yanaukweli LAKINI kinachokera ni huu unafiki wa viongozi wetu, i mean wanasiasa wetu, kwakuwa lililokuwa linazungumzwa linawahusu waafrica kwanini MEMBE akamchongee Gaddafi kwa Wamarekani?. kama ni kutoelewana wangejadiliana kwenye vikao na sio ukigeugeu. Ntashangaa kumsikia Sarkozy akimchongea Angela Merkel Kwa Wamarekani. kutofautiana kupo tena saana tu lakini sio kigezo cha watu kuzungukana;

Inajulikana Jk na Gaddafi walikuwa hawakubaliani hususani kwa idea ya jamaa ya kuunda serekali ya Africa kwenye ulimwengu wa siasa haya mamabo mbona yapo saana, yanapotokea yanazungumzwa na sio kuchongeana

 

[Kobello]

Mkuu
Uliyoyasema yanaukweli LAKINI kinachokera ni huu unafiki wa viongozi wetu, i mean wanasiasa wetu, kwakuwa lililokuwa linazungumzwa linawahusu waafrica kwanini MEMBE akamchongee Gaddafi kwa Wamarekani?. kama ni kutoelewana wangejadiliana kwenye vikao na sio ukigeugeu. Ntashangaa kumsikia Sarkozy akimchongea Angela Merkel Kwa Wamarekani. kutofautiana kupo tena saana tu lakini sio kigezo cha watu kuzungukana;

Inajulikana Jk na Gaddafi walikuwa hawakubaliani hususani kwa idea ya jamaa ya kuunda serekali ya Africa kwenye ulimwengu wa siasa haya mamabo mbona yapo saana, yanapotokea yanazungumzwa na sio kuchongeana

Mkuu ukiondoa unafiki na uwongo kwenye siasa, utaharibu maana nzima ya siasa.Condoleeza Rice na Gaddaffi mbona walikuwa marafiki wazuri tu, Marekani na Ghaddaffi mbona hawakuwa maadui?
Hillary na Assad mbona hujadiliana sana mambo Lebanon na uprising za hivi sasa? Mwalimu mbona alikuwa kiongozi aliye karibu sana na Uingereza japo aliwataifisha mali zao kama mugabe anavyofanya?..... Politics, especially diplomacy is plainly fake, ni lazima uwe mnafiki, narudia...ni lazima uwe mnafiki.

 

[ndyoko]

Tena hili ni depo jipya maalumu kwa ajili ya igunga.

Bi mkora nakuaminia, endelea kutufumbua maubongo. Big up lady!

 

[ndyoko]

Mkuu ukiondoa unafiki na uwongo kwenye siasa, utaharibu maana nzima ya siasa.Condoleeza Rice na Gaddaffi mbona walikuwa marafiki wazuri tu, Marekani na Ghaddaffi mbona hawakuwa maadui?
Hillary na Assad mbona hujadiliana sana mambo Lebanon na uprising za hivi sasa? Mwalimu mbona alikuwa kiongozi aliye karibu sana na Uingereza japo aliwataifisha mali zao kama mugabe anavyofanya?..... Politics, especially diplomacy is plainly fake, ni lazima uwe mnafiki, narudia...ni lazima uwe mnafiki.

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