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What Cardinal Pengo believes

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    LazyDog JF-Expert Member

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    Nov 18, 2004

    The head of the Catholic Church in Tanzania, Polycarp Cardinal Pengo has lashed out at the perpetrators of clashes claiming to pursue a religious cause.

    (Guardian, April 10, 2004) Delivering a Good Friday homily held at the national level at the Tanzania Episcopal Conference (TEC) in Dar es Salaam, Cardinal Pengo also criticised corrupt leaders who amass wealth in total disregard of the majority poor.

    In his message, Cardinal Pengo warned that the concept of sacrificing life or dying for one's religion was taking root among Christians. But he condemned the feat saying it defied the teachings of the Holy Bible.

    He urged the rich to care for the hungry poor who are forced to spend some extra energy to get their daily bread.

    The current trend whereby a few rich amass wealth is a time bomb, which would explode when the majority poor run out of patience, Pengo said.


    "No hungry person can sit back and watch, while there is another one who has more than enough”
    , he cautioned.

    On the activities of political parties, Cardinal Pengo discouraged any suggestion of an army for a party, saying this would set a bad precedent.

    He noted that while the country could have as many political parties as possible, for the sake of peace and tranquility, none should form its own army.

    The army should remain a business of the state, Pengo said, stressing that peace in the country could not be maintained by multiple security forces.

    The prelate also bemoaned corruption, saying the evil had grown into proportions, ravaging sensitive organs like the judiciary, which are expected to protect individuals‚ rights.

    As we went to press, reports reaching this paper indicated that thousands of Christians turned up for Mass all over the country in commemoration of the death of Jesus Christ more than 2000 years ago.

    The police had promised tight security throughout Easter festivities.



    SOURCE: http://www.cardinalrating.com/cardinal_76__article_536.htm
     
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    Cardinal Pengo is maaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiii hiroooo
     
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    Pengo umesema ukweli na pia hawa ndio viongozi wazuri kwa Taifa
     
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    a hungry man is an angry man......
     
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    What cardinal Pengo said is absolutely correct but I am afred, he might have used the worng platform and inconvinient time for him to express his views.It appears that cardinal Pengo is trying to merge politics and religion, a thing which is contraly to our national constitution.His move might influence other religious leaders to come up with the same arguments but in different perspectives whose consequenses infuture will strongly roune our national unity which we have been maintaing for the last forty years since our country got its independence. If he wants to be a politician,alright, let him be so, but the best option for him is to step down from religious post first.That will be an appropriate position form him to articulate his anger against the so called Mafisadi and all other existing evils in our country.
     
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    Hakuna kanisa au msikiti utakao kaa kimyaa wakati kikwete, chenge, lowasa , rostam wakicheza usanii wao na kulifilisi taifaa
     
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    Mr. Fungu la kukosa wrote:
    You should know that the cardinal was in the church when he was saying that. That was the right platform and to the right people and at the right time! Hurray, our cardinal we respect you!

    Mr. Fungu la kukosa added:
    My opinion:
    There was a problem and he was addressing that problem. The message was clear and in that message there were no elements that contradicted the consitution of the United Republic of Tanzania!

    His homily, in fact, strengthened national unity and security.
     
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    Kuna watu kila kukicha wanahubiri siasa kwenye ibada ila hawajioni. Tatizo ni kadinali tu akisema. Hapo inaitwa kuchanganya dini na siasa. Unafiki huu tunaoujenga utatugharimu wenyewe. Na wanaodhulumu na kuliibia Taifa wanatumia hii weakness na kujaribu kuzima midomo ya watu wanaoweza kuwaambia watawala ukweli kwa visingizio kwamba wanachanganya dini na siasa.
    Mpaka hapo tutakapoamua kuliangalia tatizo bila kutanguliza hisia zetu zenye ishara ya kutojiamini, kweli mapambano haya wachache tu ndio watakaoshinda maana wamejipanga vizuri
     
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    Nov 18, 2004

    The head of the Catholic Church in Tanzania, Polycarp Cardinal Pengo has lashed out at the perpetrators of clashes claiming to pursue a religious cause.

    (Guardian, April 10, 2004) Delivering a Good Friday homily held at the national level at the Tanzania Episcopal Conference (TEC) in Dar es Salaam, Cardinal Pengo also criticised corrupt leaders who amass wealth in total disregard of the majority poor.
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    Jamani haya yalikuwa mahubiri ya miaka kadhaa iliyopita. Hii ndiyo kazi ya huyu mtu wa Mungu, maneno yake yalikuwa valid wakati ule, bado yako valid leo. Shida yetu ni kwmba tukiambiwa ukweli tunakuwa defensive, hatusikii, hatubadiliki. Yatakapotokea ya kutokea tutaanz kutafuta visingizio. Habari ndio hiyo. Tuzidi kumwombea kardinali azidi kupata hekima na ujasiri wa kupambana na roho chafu za kifisadi, uroho na nyinginezo has za ubishi usiokuwa na tija kwa taifa.
     
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    Unamaanisha nini kuwa muda aliotoa message ni inconvinient?...ungekuwa makini kidogo ungegundua kuwa ujumbe huu ni wa Mwaka 2004!
     
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    Mwacheni Pengo anene, he has the power.
     
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    Mr. Fungu la kukosa wrote:

    My opinion is that:
    You should know that the cardinal was in the church when he was saying that. That was the right platform and to the right people and at the right time! Hurray, our cardinal we respect you!

    Mr. Fungu la kukosa added:
    My opinion:
    There was a problem and he was addressing that problem. The message was clear and in that message there were no elements that contradicted the constitution of the United Republic of Tanzania!

    His homily, in fact, strengthened national unity and security.
     
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    WHO TOLD that Pengo wants to be a politician? You have to know that the Religious leaders are not dealing with spirtual things only but also they are supposed to make sure that their ships are well fed. A preacher can not preach to a hungry person. Therefore what Pengo is doing is right and I amm appealing to all Religious leaders to follow his way. How long shall they condemn our Prophets while we stand aside and look. So it is the obligation of Religious leaders to fight for the poor dying Believers while few people are insulting their wealth for damned things.

     
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    Ni vyema watu wakafuatilia wasifu wa askofu mkuu Desmond Tutu



    Soma hapa,
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    Cardinal Pengo's remarks do not stir any war or anything lyk that.He is simply airing his opinons.By the way,I even think he is probably not doing enough.
    Kama tungekuwa na bishops na cardinals critique kama wa south america au phillipines sijui tungekuwa wapi saa hizi!!!!!!!!
     
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    Kama hawajioni na wewe hujioni pia!
     
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    Cardinal Pengo yuko sawa na ataendelea kuwa sawa sawa hata siku zijazo huko mbele kwani anachokipigia kelele ni kikubwa hata zaidi ya hao wanasiasa wenyewe,ni kweli nchi inaliwa na wachache wakati wengi wetu hatuna kitu tunabakia kuendelea na umaskini wetu huku tukiangalia kundi la wachache wakifaidi matunda ya nchi yetu hata bila ya kujali wananchi wengi wanaishi vipi,Cardinal endelea kupigana na masuala ya immorality hiyo ni moja ya kazi zako kuikosoa jamii yetu ya kitanzania.
    Baba Manka.
    Peace!
     
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    huyu Pengo ni mnafiki nambari wani,

    Angalia wakatoliki wangapi wanaishi kwenye umasikini. Yeye anaishi maisha gani????

    Yesu alisema, Mathew 8:20

    Yesu akamjibu, "Mbweha wana mapango, na ndege wana viota; lakini Mwana wa Mtu hana mahali pa kupumzikia."

    Wao wanaishi wapi na wanakula na kutembelea nini??????


    WAO SI WALISEMA JK NI CHAGUO LA MUNGU , HUYU MUNGU SASA KABADILISHA KAULI YAKE?????

    AU MASLAHI YA KANISA YAKO HATARINI
     
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    Kwani ukihubiri dhidi ya ufisadi unatakiwa uwe na maisha ya namna gani? Watu kama wewe ndio mnaorudisha maendeleo ya nchi nyuma kwa vile mmekuwa vipofu. Kitu kibaya mnakiona chema na chema kibaya. Kwa mtindo huu, hatutaenda popote. Yeyote anayepiga vita harakati za kupinga ufisadi nchini anafanya 'intellectual masturbation'!
     
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    Ndugu Gavana umeandika:

    huyu Pengo ni mnafiki nambari wani,

    Angalia wakatoliki wangapi wanaishi kwenye umasikini. Yeye anaishi maisha gani????

    Hoja yangu ni: Nadhani umekurupuka tu na kuandika bila ya kujiuliza ulikuwa unaandika kitu cha maana au la! Watanzania wangapi wanaishi katika umaskini? Je ni wakatoliki tu wanaoishi katika umaskini? Je ni idadi kubwa ya wakatoliki inayoishi katika umaskini? Je ni ijdadi kubwa ya Waislamu inayoishi katika umaskini? Je data hizi unazo?

    Pengo ni askofu. Na maaskofu wa kikatoliki wanaishi maisha ya kawaida kabisa. Swali: Kulingana na hoja yako, je unaweza kuuliza Mheshimiwa Rais Kikwete, hata Mheshimiwa Waziri Mkuu walaumiwe kwa sababu watanzania ni maskini? Je wao wanaishi maisha gani? Nadhani hoja yako haina uzito kwa sababu ukiiangalia inaonyesha chuki yako binafsi kwa Mwadhama Kardinali Pengo. Acha kuwa na chuki biinafsi naye kwa kuwa yeye hana chuki na wewe.

    Ndugu Gavana umeandika: Yesu alisema, Mathew 8:20

    Yesu akamjibu, "Mbweha wana mapango, na ndege wana viota; lakini Mwana wa Mtu hana mahali pa kupumzikia."

    Wao wanaishi wapi na wanakula na kutembelea nini??????

    Hoja yangu: Nadhani hukuelewa vizuri tu mistari hiyo ya biblia. Ukiitafsiri vizuri mwana wa mtu hapa hakuwa akisemwa Kardinali Pengo. Au Yesu alikuwa akimsema Kardinali Pengo hapa? Nadhani hoja yako haihusiani kabisa na masuala tuliyokuwa tunayajadili hapa. Unataka tu kuprove argument yako kwa mistari ambayo haikulengwa kwa Askofu Pengo katika suala la vita dhidi ya ufisadi inayoungwa mkono na wakatoliki na si Askofu Pengo peke yake.

    Ndugu Gavana umeandika:
    WAO SI WALISEMA JK NI CHAGUO LA MUNGU , HUYU MUNGU SASA KABADILISHA KAULI YAKE?????

    AU MASLAHI YA KANISA YAKO HATARINI

    Kumbuka waraka wa wakatoliki unapinga mafisadi na unalenga katika kuchagua viongozi bora. Sasa ni vipi waraka huo unahusiana na JK? LABDA NIFAFANULIE NDUGU YANGU.
     
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