Uganda Says First Phase of Railway to Kenya to Cost $2.3 Billion

[Sammuel999]

Hey Geza Ulole ? Mambo?

How is The Tanzanian ooh sorry The East African Sgr in Tanzania coming along? Cause UG has already started finalisation of its Process!!

Chinese company preparing to build standard-gauge line

Project is part of plan to connect four East African capitals

Uganda said the first phase of a railway that seeks to improve connections between the landlocked East African country and three of its neighbors will cost $2.3 billion, with Chinese contractors expected to begin construction this year.

China Harbour Engineering Co. is preparing to start building the 273-kilometer (170-mile) standard-gauge section that will link Uganda’s capital, Kampala, and the Kenyan border, a phase that will take 40 months to complete, project coordinator Kasingye Kyamugambi said in an e-mailed response to questions on Jan. 13. Uganda is borrowing money from the Export-Import Bank of China for the project with details still being finalized, he said, declining to comment on the size of the loan.

Uganda, which plans to start producing oil by about 2020, is seeking to build a combined 1,724 kilometers of standard-gauge railway as part of a regional project eventually connecting the capitals of Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and South Sudan. The entire regional network will span about 3,200 kilometers, according to Kyamugambi.

The government is still conducting studies on the western Ugandan route that will connect with Rwanda’s border and the northern one to South Sudan, and haven’t concluded what the final cost will be, he said. The Transport Ministry estimates the new line will reduce the cost of transporting cargo by about two-thirds.

“As soon as studies are complete and approved, and funds secured, works on the other sections of the SGR will commence,” Kyamugambi said. Operations of the standard-gauge railway, will compete with the old meter-gauge railway, whose operator, Rift Valley Railways Consortium, has a concession to run it until 2032, he said.

The rails on standard-gauge tracks are spaced about 1,435 millimeters (56.5 inches) apart, while many older railways use the 1,000 millimeter spacing.

 

[Sammuel999]

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1,724 kilometers of standard-gauge railway as part of a regional project eventually connecting the capitals of Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and South Sudan. The entire regional network will span about 3,200 kilometers, according to Kyamugambi.

 

[Dhuks]

Some believed the hype, some said the rerouting of SGR to Naivasha was an indication the Uganda route was dropped. In the fullness of time the impact will sink home

 

[Mwanzi1]

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1,724 kilometers of standard-gauge railway as part of a regional project eventually connecting the capitals of Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and South Sudan. The entire regional network will span about 3,200 kilometers, according to Kyamugambi.

Unarudi kule kule, kutuonyesha mna-isolate Tanzania. The line in Tanzania to Rwandan to Uganda it will connect us to Juba.

 

[chigga2]

Du...wamesepa kwenye mradi wa Tanga Kampala nini? Maana inaoneka gharama nafuu...kwao Uganda.... Wajuaji. Tupeni taalifa

 

[Kafrican]

Unarudi kule kule, kutuonyesha mna-isolate Tanzania. The line in Tanzania to Rwandan to Uganda it will connect us to Juba.

kila nchi inagharamia reli inayojengwa ndani ya nchi yao, ile reli ya kampala hadi rwanda itakua ni hio hio ya kutoka tz hadi rwanda tena kushika njia hadi kampala......
yaani in short, Tanzania ina mpango wa kujenga reli hadi rwanda na nyengine hadi ziwa victoria.... lakini kutoka hapo, Uganda ndo inampango wa kujenga reli kutoka mpaka wa kenya hadi kampala, kisha ikifika kampala itaanza nyengine ya kwenda juba, alafu ikmwishowe pia inapanga nyengine ya kutoka kampala hadi rwanda, ikifika rwanda pale ndo reli ya tz itaweza kushikana, na sgr ya tz itakua na uwezo wa kwenda hadi juba...... lakini kumbuka masterplan ya SGR ya nothern coriddor ndo tayari ilikua imechora reli ya kuunganisha hizo nchi zote, tanzania ilichora yake baadae ya kwenda hadi rwanda... so in essence the northern corridor sgr project ndo inaconnect kenya,Uganda, Rwanda to Juba.... so you were not isolated, you are just not inthe northern corriddor project, your project is only to reach burundi and rwanda, and connect to the other SGR to link all the EAC countries as part of the EAC masterplan.

besides, its a bloomberg article anyway, its them who you should be complaining to if you feel you were not mentioned
... the bloomberg article was writen by a ugandan economist, @fojambo, better yet, get intouch with him on twitter

 

[Mwanzi1]

kila nchi inagharamia reli inayojengwa ndani ya nchi yao, ile reli ya kampala hadi rwanda itakua ni hio hio ya kutoka tz hadi rwanda tena kushika njia hadi kampala......
yaani in short, Tanzania ina mpango wa kujenga reli hadi rwanda na nyengine hadi ziwa victoria.... lakini kutoka hapo, Uganda ndo inampango wa kujenga reli kutoka mpaka wa kenya hadi kampala, kisha ikifika kampala itaanza nyengine ya kwenda juba, alafu ikmwishowe pia inapanga nyengine ya kutoka kampala hadi rwanda, ikifika rwanda pale ndo reli ya tz itaweza kushikana, na sgr ya tz itakua na uwezo wa kwenda hadi juba...... lakini kumbuka masterplan ya SGR ya nothern coriddor ndo tayari ilikua imechora reli ya kuunganisha hizo nchi zote, tanzania ilichora yake baadae ya kwenda hadi rwanda... so in essence the northern corridor sgr project ndo inaconnect kenya,Uganda, Rwanda to Juba.... so you were not isolated, you are just not inthe northern corriddor project, your project is only to reach burundi and rwanda, and connect to the other SGR to link all the EAC countries as part of the EAC masterplan.

Sijui na ile reli ya kutoka Mombasa mpaka Arusha iliishia wapi au Nairobi to Arusha, au kenyatta aliizibia hiyo. When we say isolated we know what we are talking about, sio reli tuu hata refinery ya Uganda ilikuwa tuachwe nyuma huku tumeshikilia hela yetu mkononi. Anyway, sijuwi kwanini hii reli ya East Africa inakuwa big deal, ilitakiwa miji yote ya East and South Africa iwe connected au hata kuwe na mpango huo. Railway is vital to any economy, goods need to be shifted from one place to the other.

 

[Kafrican]

Sijui na ile reli ya kutoka Mombasa mpaka Arusha iliishia wapi au Nairobi to Arusha, au kenyatta aliizibia hiyo. When we say isolated we know what we are talking about, sio reli tuu hata refinery ya Uganda ilikuwa tuachwe nyuma huku tumeshikilia hela yetu mkononi. Anyway, sijuwi kwanini hii reli ya East Africa inakuwa big deal, ilitakiwa miji yote ya East and South Africa iwe connected au hata kuwe na mpango huo. Railway is vital to any economy, goods need to be shifted from one place to the other.

hizo ni za badae sana, mpaka zile main conduits zianze kufanya kazi mwanzo, kama msa-juba, dar-kampala-juba..... halafu hapo ndo tutaanza za ku interconnect...... kwasasa project inayokuja ni ya barabara ya kupitia pwani zetu, toka malindi hadi Dar

project lazma imake economic sense mwanzo kabla ya kunganisha, hatuwezi kunza kufanya vitu pamoja just for the sake of it kama EAC, kama ingekuwa hivyo basi kenya ingeunganisha pipeline hadi tanga na tanzania inge sign mkataba wa EPA an EU pamoja na kenya,... alafu tu sign EAC tourist VISA na Tz ifungue mbuga za wanyama kwa tour van za kenya kama vile kenya inafanya kwa tour van za Tz.... au sio?





huyu hapa aliendika hiyo article hapo juu, muulize kwanini hakutaja Tz, maana mi nimejaribu kueleza, ni kama unajifanya hauelewi. na una insist kenya ndo inajaribu kuwa isolate

 

[Mwanzi1]

hizo ni za badae sana, mpaka zile main conduits zianze kufanya kazi mwanzo, kama msa-juba, dar-kampala-juba..... halafu hapo ndo tutaanza za ku interconnect...... kwasasa project inayokuja ni ya barabara ya kupitia pwani zetu, toka malindi hadi Dar

project lazma imake economic sense mwanzo kabla ya kunganisha, hatuwezi kunza kufanya vitu pamoja just for the sake of it kama EAC, kama ingekuwa hivyo basi kenya ingeunganisha pipeline hadi tanga na tanzania inge sign mkataba wa EPA an EU pamoja na kenya,... alafu tu sign EAC tourist VISA na Tz ifungue mbuga za wanyama kwa tour van za kenya kama vile kenya inafanya kwa tour van za Tz.... au sio?





huyu hapa aliendika hiyo article hapo juu, muulize kwanini hakutaja Tz, maana mi nimejaribu kueleza, ni kama unajifanya hauelewi. na una insist kenya ndo inajaribu kuwa isolate

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Haha, umeadika vitu vitatu Kenya inataka kutoka Tanzania na kimoja Tanzania inataka kutoka Kenya. I wish umekuwepo kwenye negotiation za Tanzania na Kenya uone ni nani mchoyo.

 

[Kafrican]

Haha, umeadika vitu vitatu Kenya inataka kutoka Tanzania na kimoja Tanzania inataka kutoka Kenya. I wish umekuwepo kwenye negotiation za Tanzania na Kenya uone ni nani mchoyo.

we have oil, we have land, we have a port at the coast, who in their right mind would give that up for a 'regional project' ati uchoyo...

let me put in other scenario where the situation is reversed... Tanzanian mining companies can only remove 90% of impurities in the gold that they mine for the $2B gold industry in Tz, this forces Tz to export the gold to SA to be purified to 99.9% before its sold at a more expensive price... Tanzania is planing to st up a $1 million plant to purify its gold..

Kenya is setting up a $50Million plant to refine DRC's gold, Silver and platinum at a cheaper price Kenya's Sh5Bn gold refinery to start work in April - Capital Business

So, the question, can tanzania also join in the 'regional' project so that we can be able to all benefit for the shared cost in setting up a plant in Kenya, the country that doesnt have gold worth talking about but has the infrastructure and cheaper cost? If Tz refuses to agree and decide to set up there own plant, can Kenya then start calling Tz, 'wachoyo'

 

[Sammuel999]

Kafrican huyu ana uchungu tu kama Annael

 

[Mwanzi1]

we have oil, we have land, we have a port at the coast, who in their right mind would give that up for a 'regional project' ati uchoyo...

let me put in other scenario where the situation is reversed... Tanzanian mining companies can only remove 90% of impurities in the gold that they mine for the $2B gold industry in Tz, this forces Tz to export the gold to SA to be purified to 99.9% before its sold at a more expensive price... Tanzania is planing to st up a $1 million plant to purify its gold..

Kenya is setting up a $50Million plant to refine DRC's gold, Silver and platinum at a cheaper price Kenya's Sh5Bn gold refinery to start work in April - Capital Business

So, the question, can tanzania also join in the 'regional' project so that we can be able to all benefit for the shared cost in setting up a plant in Kenya, the country that doesnt have gold worth talking about but has the infrastructure and cheaper cost? If Tz refuses to agree and decide to set up there own plant, can Kenya then start calling Tz, 'wachoyo'

You've put on a scenario, but i don't think you've actually thought it through. Let me ask you this, do you really understand any of EAC charter? Was this Kenyan project proposed to EAC integration meetings, did Kenya offer any of EAC member to join this project? the answer is "NO to all the above". There is a framework within EAC on joint projects including roads, rail, air, communication, monetary, some part of defence, people, customs and wider area of business. Countries within EAC are allowed to start there own projects if they wish to do so, but not in the areas were it has been discussed with all members state. All was going well during Kibaki era, no one complained, lakini mlivyo danganywa na hawa vijana wawili wenye mauwa mazuri ya kupendeza Uhuruto, everything started to crumble. They came up with their own charter, sidelining Tanzania, breaking the rules along the way, hopping they where doing Kenya a favour. But all they did is harming Kenya reputation, Kenya is been seen as a country which can't be trusted, Museveni knows that, Kagame knows that, Ethiopia and South Sudan they all know that.

Now, if i come back to your question, Kenya has build this facility with less proven minerals, what will happen if DRC decided to build its own smelting unit, will the Kenyan facility become another white elephant?

And also this Arusha-Mombasa, Arusha-Nairobi rail link, i know umesema mnaanza na economical route kwanza halafu zingine zitakuja. I dont think you know how much large commercial farming is is Arusha, Manyara, Meru, Kilimajaro area. Having the rail link between those cities will be beneficial to both Kenya and Tanzania in terms of goods and services. All those proposals where on the table during Kibaki era, lakini kwasababu mumewaweka wale vijana wawili wenye mauwa mazuri ya kupendeza, nothing will move forward.

 

[Mwanzi1]

Kafrican huyu ana uchungu tu kama Annael

Hebu kunya kahawa upumzike huku ukiwaza whats in store 2017. Think about draught in EA

 

[Kafrican]

You've put on a scenario, but i don't think you've actually thought it through. Let me ask you this, do you really understand any of EAC charter? Was this Kenyan project proposed to EAC integration meetings, did Kenya offer any of EAC member to join this project? the answer is "NO to all the above". There is a framework within EAC on joint projects including roads, rail, air, communication, monetary, some part of defence, people, customs and wider area of business. Countries within EAC are allowed to start there own projects if they wish to do so, but not in the areas were it has been discussed with all members state. All was going well during Kibaki era, no one complained, lakini mlivyo danganywa na hawa vijana wawili wenye mauwa mazuri ya kupendeza Uhuruto, everything started to crumble. They came up with their own charter, sidelining Tanzania, breaking the rules along the way, hopping they where doing Kenya a favour. But all they did is harming Kenya reputation, Kenya is been seen as a country which can't be trusted, Museveni knows that, Kagame knows that, Ethiopia and South Sudan they all know that.

Now, if i come back to your question, Kenya has build this facility with less proven minerals, what will happen if DRC decided to build its own smelting unit, will the Kenyan facility become another white elephant?

And also this Arusha-Mombasa, Arusha-Nairobi rail link, i know umesema mnaanza na economical route kwanza halafu zingine zitakuja. I dont think you know how much large commercial farming is is Arusha, Manyara, Meru, Kilimajaro area. Having the rail link between those cites will be beneficial to both Kenya and Tanzania in terms of goods and services. All those proposals where on the table during Kibaki era, lakini kwasababu mumewaweka wale [Bvijana wawili wenye mauwa mazuri ya kupendeza[/B], nothing will move forward.

of all the EAC projects, Tz is behind in all of them, during kibakis time and now, uhuruto only tried tolet actioned speak louder than words .... and as we know in most things, tanzania is usually all talk and no action, kila siku hua ni , ngoja tukianza, sisi tuta... ,but after a decade no action on the ground...... n usilete kizungu kingi... everyone else knows that... thats why you wasted 10years agreeing to everything in the EPA, when it was nearing time to put words into action, as usual... zero
Kenya on the other hand is a different breed, if we say we going to do something, we are going to do it.... if we agree to EAC standby force, then we act, if we say remove bottlenecks to customes.... done... and if we say we dont want something, then we dont keep quiet like cowards and smile and node yes to peiples face then go back to our countries where we feel safe and protected then start denying what we agreed to

 

[Sammuel999]

Hebu kunya kahawa upumzike huku ukiwaza whats in store 2017. Think about draught in EA

Draughy tena? sisi hapa tuna drought

 

[Mwanzi1]

of all the EAC projects, Tz is behind in all of them, during kibakis time and now, uhuruto only tried tolet actioned speak louder than words .... and as we know in most things, tanzania is usually all talk and no action, kila siku hua ni , ngoja tukianza, sisi tuta... ,but after a decade no action on the ground...... n usilete kizungu kingi... everyone else knows that... thats why you wasted 10years agreeing to everything in the EPA, when it was nearing time to put words into action, as usual... zero
Kenya on the other hand is a different breed, if we say we going to do something, we are going to do it.... if we agree to EAC standby force, then we act, if we say remove bottlenecks to customes.... done... and if we say we dont want something, then we dont keep quiet like cowards and smile and node yes to peiples face then go back to our countries where we feel safe and protected then start denying what we agreed to

Let me tell you kwanini Kenya project zinakimbizwa bila kutumia akili, ni kwasababu ya 10%. Watu hawataki kuchelewa kupata kilicho chao ili wajenge another mall, au kugombea kuwa Governor au kupekeka mke na watoto USA kufanya shopping. Procurement is eating Kenya alive, sisi tuna tatizo lakini Kenya is too much na hamta kataa hiyo. I'll tell you another thing, the worse offender wa EPA ni Kenya, tumekuwa kwenye negotiation na Kenya na EU with the rest of EAC kawa muda mrefu, lakini Kenya kila tukiwaambia we want to protect our industries, Kenya wana weka vidole masikioni na kuimba lalalala. There was a time in Brussels Tanzania team wakiwafuta Kenyan team kuongea, utasikia "oh well Mr So and So was just here, but we don't know were he is now" yote hii, waKenya wanaogopa kuwakatalia wazungi because they knew they will stand to loose. EPA ikazaa tour van ban, nayo ikazaa air space restriction. The next thing we know, Kamwana rushed to Johannesburg kuongea na Kikwete. Hii yote ilikuwa haipo wakati wa Kibaki, we had mutual understanding. Msiseme Tanzania ina wachelewesha, mnezowea kukurupuka kwasababu ya self-interests. Hakuna mtu anasubiri mkate uive, wakenya wanakula huko huko ndani ya oven.

 

[Mwanzi1]

Draughy tena? sisi hapa tuna drought

Haha ukiona mwenzako ananyolewa weka maji, drought iko kote from Kenya to Zambia mpaka Malawi. Tutakula udongo soon.

Hebu soma na hayo ya wengine wenye shida ya chakula

http://zambianeye.com/i-didnt-carry-the-ministry-with-me-dora-responds-to-us-trip-critics/


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