Ubepari unaporomoka, What's Next?

[JokaKuu]

..sasa kama China ina maendeleo sana vipi hapa Bongo kuna wamachinga wa Kichina?

..Ulaya pamoja na matatizo yote bado hatujaona wamachinga toka Greece wakivamia Kariakoo.

..halafu hapo Somalia kwenye njaa China inatoa msaada kiasi gani?

 

[Mshume Kiyate]

Hupashwi kuwa JF,kama kweli this is the home of great thinkers.

kweli akili yako Masaburi

 

[Kigarama]

..sasa kama China ina maendeleo sana vipi hapa Bongo kuna wamachinga wa Kichina?

..Ulaya pamoja na matatizo yote bado hatujaona wamachinga toka Greece wakivamia Kariakoo.

..halafu hapo Somalia kwenye njaa China inatoa msaada kiasi gani?

Maendeleo vitu na maendeleo watu ni mambo mawili tofauti. Greece na nchi nyingi za ulaya zina mitazamo tofauti sana kuhusu kuinyonya Afrika. Wao wametengeneza kinachoitwa "soko la kimataifa" ambapo makuwadi wa ubepari husaidi kupeleka bidhaa kwenye hayo "masoko ya kimataifa". Lakini mchina kaamua yeye mwenyewe kuzifuata bidhaa (malighafi na masoko) Afrika. Jifunze kwa yanayotokea Sudan.

 

[Shamu]

Sidhani kama hakuna asiyeona hiyo " comparative advantages" ya hizo nchi hizo nyingine zinazojaribu kuujenga mfumo wa kibepari. Lakini ni lazima pia tukubali kwamba kila kitu lazima kiwe na " axis" yake, na kwa ubepari ni lazima uzitaje Marekani, uingereza, na ujerumani

Kumbuka kwamba ni US Dollar, Yen, Pound na Deutch Mark ndizo zinatumika kuweka vigezo vya thamani ya fedha nyingine duniani.

Hata kama ukitumia Marekani, England, Germany, kustudy success and failure of market economy, lazima ujue ni capitalism ndiyo inazozifanya hizo nchi za BRICK, kuwa na comperative advantages. China walikuwa na communism, sasa hivi wanafaidika zaidi na hii system kwa sababu ya free trade. Lakini China haitakuwa na hiyo comperative advantages kwa muda mrefu kutokana na per capita yao kuanza kukua.

Sasa hivi kuna bidhaa nyengine zinatengezwa kwa wingi sana ktk nchi za Vietnam, nk. ambazo zinacheap labor zaidi kuliko China.

Kuanguka kwa uchumi wa Marekani kuna factors nyingi sana ambazo zimesababisha uchumi wao kuanguka.

 

[Kobello]

Hata kama ukitumia Marekani, England, Germany, kustudy success and failure of market economy, lazima ujue ni capitalism ndiyo inazozifanya hizo nchi za BRICK, kuwa na comperative advantages. China walikuwa na communism, sasa hivi wanafaidika zaidi na hii system kwa sababu ya free trade. Lakini China haitakuwa na hiyo comperative advantages kwa muda mrefu kutokana na per capita yao kuanza kukua.

Sasa hivi kuna bidhaa nyengine zinatengezwa kwa wingi sana ktk nchi za Vietnam, nk. ambazo zinacheap labor zaidi kuliko China.

Kuanguka kwa uchumi wa Marekani kuna factors nyingi sana ambazo zimesababisha uchumi wao kuanguka.

Marekani,Ujerumani,Uaransa,Uingereza.....hizi zote ni nchi za kijamaa zaidi ukilinganisha na,China,Urusi,Tanzania,Mozambique,Venezuela etc..

 

[Kobello]

Afghanistan	06.4
Albania	22.9
Algeria	07.7
Angola	05.7
Argentina	22.9
Armenia	14.1
Australia	30.8	27.1 (2008)
Austria	43.4	42.8	42.8
Azerbaijan	17.8
Bahamas, The	18.7
Bahrain	04.8
Bangladesh	08.5
Barbados	32.6
Belarus	24.2
Belgium	46.8	43.2	44.3
Belize	21.6
Benin	15.4
Bhutan	10.7
Bolivia	27.0
Bosnia and Herzegovina	41.2
Botswana	35.2
Brazil	38.8
Bulgaria	34.4		33.3
Burkina Faso	11.5
Burma	04.9
Burundi	17.4
Cambodia	08.0
Cameroon	18.2
Canada	32.2	31.1
Cape Verde	23.0
Central African Republic	07.7
Chad	04.2
Chile	18.6	18.2
China	17.0
Colombia	23.0
Comoros	12.0
Congo, Republic of	05.9
Costa Rica	14.0
Côte d'Ivoire	15.3
Croatia	26.6
Cuba	44.8
Cyprus	39.2		39.2
Czech Republic	36.3	34.8	36.1
Denmark	49.0	48.2	48.2
Djibouti	20.0
Dominica	30.3
Dominican Republic	15.0
Congo, Democratic Republic of	13.2
Ecuador	13.2
Egypt	15.8
El Salvador	13.3
Equatorial Guinea	01.7
Estonia	32.3		32.2
Ethiopia	11.6
Fiji	21.8
Finland	43.6	43.1	43.1
France	46.1	41.9	42.8
Gabon	10.3
Gambia	18.9
Georgia	21.7
Germany	40.6	37.0	39.3
Ghana	20.8
Greece	33.5	29.4	32.6
Guatemala	11.9
Guinea	08.2
Guinea-Bissau	11.5
Guyana	31.9
Haiti	09.4
Honduras	15.6
Hong Kong	13.0
Hungary	37.3	39.1	40.4
Iceland	40.4	41.4	36.7
India	17.7
Indonesia	11.0
Iran	07.3
Ireland	30.8	27.8	29.3
Israel	36.8	31.4
Italy	42.6	43.5	42.8
Jamaica	27.2
Japan	27.4	28.1 (2008)
Jordan	21.1
Kazakhstan	26.8
Kenya	18.4
Kiribati[SUP][6][/SUP]	69.7
Korea, South	26.8	25.6
Kuwait	01.5
Kyrgyzstan	21.4
Laos	10.8
Latvia	30.4		28.9
Lebanon	14.4
Lesotho	42.9
Liberia	13.2
Libya	02.7
Lithuania	20.9		30.3
Luxembourg	36.5	37.5	35.6
Macau	20.1
Macedonia	29.3
Madagascar	10.7
Malawi	20.7
Malaysia	15.5
Maldives	20.5
Mali	15.3
Malta	35.2		34.5
Mauritania	15.4
Mauritius	19.0
Mexico	09.7	17.5
Federated States of Micronesia	12.3
Moldova	33.8
Mongolia	33.8
Montenegro	28.0
Morocco	22.3
Mozambique	13.4
Namibia	28.8
Nepal	10.9
Netherlands	39.8	39.1 (2008)	39.1
New Zealand	34.5	31.0
Nicaragua	17.8
Niger	11.0
Nigeria	06.1
Norway	43.6	41.0	42.2
OECD (unweighted average, 2008)		34.8
Oman	02.0
Pakistan	10.2
Panama	10.6
Papua New Guinea	24.5
Paraguay	12.0
Peru	15.1
Philippines	14.4
Poland	33.8	34.3 (2008)	34.3
Portugal	37.0	35.2 (2008)	36.7
Qatar	02.2
Romania	28.1		28.0
Russia	36.9
Rwanda	14.1
Saint Lucia	23.1
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines	26.5
Samoa	25.5
São Tomé and Príncipe	17.4
Saudi Arabia	05.3
Senegal	19.2
Serbia	34.1
Seychelles	32.0
Sierra Leone	10.5
Singapore	14.2
Slovakia	29.5	29.3	29.1
Slovenia	39.3	37.9	37.3
Solomon Islands	24.7
South Africa	26.9
Spain	37.3	30.7	33.1
Sri Lanka	15.3
Sudan	06.3
Suriname	22.1
Swaziland	39.8
Sweden	47.9	46.4	47.1
Switzerland	29.4	30.3
Syria	10.7
Taiwan	12.4
Tajikistan	16.5
Tanzania	12.0
Thailand	17.0
Timor-Leste[SUP][7][/SUP]	see reference
Togo	15.5
Tonga	27.0
Trinidad and Tobago	28.0
Tunisia	14.9
Turkey	32.5	24.6
Turkmenistan	20.2
Uganda	12.6
Ukraine	38.1
United Arab Emirates	01.4
United Kingdom	39.0	34.3	37.3
United States (all levels)	26.9	24.0
Uruguay	23.1
	21.0
Venezuela	25.0
	13.8
Zambia	16.1
Zimbabwe	49.3

Hii chati(wikipedia),inaonyesha Government revenue as a percentage of GDP...Sasa naomba wadau mtenganishe baina ya nchi mnazoziita za kijamaa na nchi mnazoziita za kibepari tuache u-masaburi tuangalie facts.
Marekani ni wajamaa kuliko Tanzania,China na nchi nyingi tu duniani.

 

[Hukumuzuku]

Afghanistan	06.4
Albania	22.9
Algeria	07.7
Angola	05.7
Argentina	22.9
Armenia	14.1
Australia	30.8	27.1 (2008)
Austria	43.4	42.8	42.8
Azerbaijan	17.8
Bahamas, The	18.7
Bahrain	04.8
Bangladesh	08.5
Barbados	32.6
Belarus	24.2
Belgium	46.8	43.2	44.3
Belize	21.6
Benin	15.4
Bhutan	10.7
Bolivia	27.0
Bosnia and Herzegovina	41.2
Botswana	35.2
Brazil	38.8
Bulgaria	34.4		33.3
Burkina Faso	11.5
Burma	04.9
Burundi	17.4
Cambodia	08.0
Cameroon	18.2
Canada	32.2	31.1
Cape Verde	23.0
Central African Republic	07.7
Chad	04.2
Chile	18.6	18.2
China	17.0
Colombia	23.0
Comoros	12.0
Congo, Republic of	05.9
Costa Rica	14.0
Côte d'Ivoire	15.3
Croatia	26.6
Cuba	44.8
Cyprus	39.2		39.2
Czech Republic	36.3	34.8	36.1
Denmark	49.0	48.2	48.2
Djibouti	20.0
Dominica	30.3
Dominican Republic	15.0
Congo, Democratic Republic of	13.2
Ecuador	13.2
Egypt	15.8
El Salvador	13.3
Equatorial Guinea	01.7
Estonia	32.3		32.2
Ethiopia	11.6
Fiji	21.8
Finland	43.6	43.1	43.1
France	46.1	41.9	42.8
Gabon	10.3
Gambia	18.9
Georgia	21.7
Germany	40.6	37.0	39.3
Ghana	20.8
Greece	33.5	29.4	32.6
Guatemala	11.9
Guinea	08.2
Guinea-Bissau	11.5
Guyana	31.9
Haiti	09.4
Honduras	15.6
Hong Kong	13.0
Hungary	37.3	39.1	40.4
Iceland	40.4	41.4	36.7
India	17.7
Indonesia	11.0
Iran	07.3
Ireland	30.8	27.8	29.3
Israel	36.8	31.4
Italy	42.6	43.5	42.8
Jamaica	27.2
Japan	27.4	28.1 (2008)
Jordan	21.1
Kazakhstan	26.8
Kenya	18.4
Kiribati[SUP][6][/SUP]	69.7
Korea, South	26.8	25.6
Kuwait	01.5
Kyrgyzstan	21.4
Laos	10.8
Latvia	30.4		28.9
Lebanon	14.4
Lesotho	42.9
Liberia	13.2
Libya	02.7
Lithuania	20.9		30.3
Luxembourg	36.5	37.5	35.6
Macau	20.1
Macedonia	29.3
Madagascar	10.7
Malawi	20.7
Malaysia	15.5
Maldives	20.5
Mali	15.3
Malta	35.2		34.5
Mauritania	15.4
Mauritius	19.0
Mexico	09.7	17.5
Federated States of Micronesia	12.3
Moldova	33.8
Mongolia	33.8
Montenegro	28.0
Morocco	22.3
Mozambique	13.4
Namibia	28.8
Nepal	10.9
Netherlands	39.8	39.1 (2008)	39.1
New Zealand	34.5	31.0
Nicaragua	17.8
Niger	11.0
Nigeria	06.1
Norway	43.6	41.0	42.2
OECD (unweighted average, 2008)		34.8
Oman	02.0
Pakistan	10.2
Panama	10.6
Papua New Guinea	24.5
Paraguay	12.0
Peru	15.1
Philippines	14.4
Poland	33.8	34.3 (2008)	34.3
Portugal	37.0	35.2 (2008)	36.7
Qatar	02.2
Romania	28.1		28.0
Russia	36.9
Rwanda	14.1
Saint Lucia	23.1
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines	26.5
Samoa	25.5
São Tomé and Príncipe	17.4
Saudi Arabia	05.3
Senegal	19.2
Serbia	34.1
Seychelles	32.0
Sierra Leone	10.5
Singapore	14.2
Slovakia	29.5	29.3	29.1
Slovenia	39.3	37.9	37.3
Solomon Islands	24.7
South Africa	26.9
Spain	37.3	30.7	33.1
Sri Lanka	15.3
Sudan	06.3
Suriname	22.1
Swaziland	39.8
Sweden	47.9	46.4	47.1
Switzerland	29.4	30.3
Syria	10.7
Taiwan	12.4
Tajikistan	16.5
Tanzania	12.0
Thailand	17.0
Timor-Leste[SUP][7][/SUP]	see reference
Togo	15.5
Tonga	27.0
Trinidad and Tobago	28.0
Tunisia	14.9
Turkey	32.5	24.6
Turkmenistan	20.2
Uganda	12.6
Ukraine	38.1
United Arab Emirates	01.4
United Kingdom	39.0	34.3	37.3
United States (all levels)	26.9	24.0
Uruguay	23.1
	21.0
Venezuela	25.0
	13.8
Zambia	16.1
Zimbabwe	49.3

Hii chati(wikipedia),inaonyesha Government revenue as a percentage of GDP...Sasa naomba wadau mtenganishe baina ya nchi mnazoziita za kijamaa na nchi mnazoziita za kibepari tuache u-masaburi tuangalie facts.
Marekani ni wajamaa kuliko Tanzania,China na nchi nyingi tu duniani.

Sasa hiyo ndiyo nini? Watu waliyoenda madrassah utawajua tu for their predisposition to rampant copying-and-pasting without feeling the need to explain anything further. Halafu hapo anajiona kachangia kitu cha maana.

 

[Kobello]

Sasa hiyo ndiyo nini? Watu waliyoenda madrassah utawajua tu for their predisposition to rampant copying-and-pasting without feeling the need to explain anything further. Halafu hapo anajiona kachangia kitu cha maana.

Ungesoma maelezo hapo chini,I did explain!!
Kwa kiswahili,ni asilimia ya mapato ya serikali kulinganisha na mapato yote ya taifa.Kwa kuendelea zaidi,hiyo chati inaonyesha ukubwa wa serikali kiuchumi kulinganisha na sekta binafsi kwenye nchi husika.Tanzania kwa mfano,ni asilimia 12 tu ya uchumi wote ndio huenda serikalini kwa ajili ya matumizi mbalimbali kama elimu,afya,ulinzi,vitafunio n.k wakati asilimia 30 ya uchumi wa marekani humilikiwa na serikaLI AU TUSEME MAPATO YA SERIKALI NI ASILIMIA 30 NA SEKTA BINAFSI NI ASILIMIA 70.....Umeelewa bi mdogo?

 

[Hukumuzuku]

Ungesoma maelezo hapo chini,I did explain!!
Kwa kiswahili,ni asilimia ya mapato ya serikali kulinganisha na mapato yote ya taifa.Kwa kuendelea zaidi,hiyo chati inaonyesha ukubwa wa serikali kiuchumi kulinganisha na sekta binafsi kwenye nchi husika.Tanzania kwa mfano,ni asilimia 12 tu ya uchumi wote ndio huenda serikalini kwa ajili ya matumizi mbalimbali kama elimu,afya,ulinzi,vitafunio n.k wakati asilimia 30 ya uchumi wa marekani humilikiwa na serikaLI AU TUSEME MAPATO YA SERIKALI NI ASILIMIA 30 NA SEKTA BINAFSI NI ASILIMIA 70.....Umeelewa bi mdogo?

Wapuuzi wanaojifanya "wameenda shule" kama wewe huwaga wanakimbilia takwimu. Sasa niambie, kweli unaweza kulinganisha Tanzania na nchi kama Marekani kwenye matumizi ya Serikali kwenye programs lukuki kama unemployment benefits, disability payouts, medicare, food stamps, social housing, debt consolidation, veteran administration, and whatnot? Tuambie equivalents za programs kama hizi Tanzania. Bi.tch Please!

 

[Kobello]

Wapuuzi wanaojifanya "wameenda shule" kama wewe huwaga wanakimbilia takwimu. Sasa niambie, kweli unaweza kulinganisha Tanzania na nchi kama Marekani kwenye matumizi ya Serikali kwenye programs lukuki kama unemployment benefits, disability payouts, medicare, food stamps, social housing, debt consolidation, and whatnot? Tuambie equivalents za programs kama hizi Tanzania. Bi.tch Please!

Sasa unachozungumzia ni nini?
Mimi ninachozungumzia ni dhana ya kuwa China ni wajamaa au tuseme nchi kama za BRICK,ni nchi za kijamaa zaidi ya nchi kama tanzania au msumbiji au tuseme venezuela,nchi ambazo kwenye katiba zao wamejitambulisha kama ni socialist states.Ndio maana nikaonyesha hiyo table hapo juu.
Wether you have a lot of money or not,asilimia kubwa ya pato la taifa likihodhiwa na serikali,hapo ndio utasema hiyo nchi ni ya kijamaa eg Nordic countries...
Punguza mcheche kidogo, kaa chini utafakari dada!

 

[Hukumuzuku]

Sasa unachozungumzia ni nini?
Mimi ninachozungumzia ni dhana ya kuwa China ni wajamaa au tuseme nchi kama za BRICK,ni nchi za kijamaa zaidi ya nchi kama tanzania au msumbiji au tuseme venezuela,nchi ambazo kwenye katiba zao wamejitambulisha kama ni socialist states.Ndio maana nikaonyesha hiyo table hapo juu.
Wether you have a lot of money or not,asilimia kubwa ya pato la taifa likihodhiwa na serikali,hapo ndio utasema hiyo nchi ni ya kijamaa eg Nordic countries...
Punguza mcheche kidogo, kaa chini utafakari dada!

Wee jike, hiyo maana yako ya ubepari na ujamaa siyo tu kwamba ni batili, bali ni uwongo. Kwa kigezo chako, basi, ukubwa wa matumizi ya serikali kwenye bajeti ya ulinzi ya Marekani ukilinganisha na Tanzania, inaashiria kuwa Tanzania ni nchi ya kipebari, si ndiyo?

 

[Kobello]

Wee jike, hiyo maana yako ya ubepari na ujamaa siyo tu kwamba ni batili, bali ni uwongo. Kwa kigezo chako, basi, ukubwa wa matumizi ya serikali kwenye bajeti ya ulinzi ya Marekani ukilinganisha na Tanzania, inaashiria kuwa Tanzania ni nchi ya kipebari, si ndiyo?

Ndiyo!

 

[Hukumuzuku]

Ndiyo!

Haya mdadangu, endelea na takwimu zako za Wiki...lol!

 

[Kobello]

Haya mdadangu, endelea na takwimu zako za Wiki...lol!

Numbers don't lie!!....sio mnatuletea vihotuba visivyo na msingi.

 

[Hukumuzuku]

Numbers don't lie!!....sio mnatuletea vihotuba visivyo na msingi.

Cliches aside, nasema sawa mdadangu...lol!

 

[Kobello]

Cliches aside, nasema sawa mdadangu...lol!

Huu ubishi inabidi uendelee, usiyeyushe....lete data.

 

[Hukumuzuku]

Huu ubishi inabidi uendelee, usiyeyushe....lete data.

Ajabu sana. Wewe ndiyo ulikuwa na jukumu la kuthibitisha kauli zako tata zilizoambatana na takwimu (aka "data") hafifu au feki. Lakini ghafla, bila ya kujibu mapigo yangu inavyotakiwa kisomi, na typical ya Watu waliyoenda madrassah, eti unajifanya "kunigeuzia kibao" wakati umeshindwa kujibu yale niliyoku-challenge. Whatta bi.tch!

 

[Kobello]

Ajabu sana. Wewe ndiyo ulikuwa na jukumu la kuthibitisha kauli zako tata zilizoambatana na takwimu (aka "data") hafifu au feki. Lakini ghafla, bila ya kujibu mapigo yangu inavyotakiwa kisomi, na typical ya Watu waliyoenda madrassah, eti unajifanya "kunigeuzia kibao" wakati umeshindwa kujibu yale niliyoku-challenge. Whatta bi.tch!

Narudi.

 

[Hukumuzuku]

Narudi.

While you're into it, siyo vibaya pia ukatueleza ni asilimia gani ya bajeti ya Serikali ya Marekani ya kila mwaka inategemea michango ya Wahisani kutoka nje?

 

[Kobello]

United States Federal, State, and Local Government Spending Fiscal Year 2010
Function	Amount (billion)	Percent GDP
Overall government spending
Federal, State, Local	$5,798.8	39.97 (citation needed)
Spending by major government function
Pensions	$939.2	6.47
Health Care	$1028.8	7.09
Education	$887.3	6.12
Defense	$848.1	5.85
Welfare	$727.3	5.01
Interest	$296.3	2.04

Government spending expressed as a percent of Gross Domestic Product is based on a total of $14,660.4 billion for calendar year 2010 reported by the Bureau of Economic Analysis

Sasa ngoja nikuletee matumizi ya nchi yako ya kijamaa.