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Ten commandements#2

Discussion in 'Habari na Hoja mchanganyiko' started by Darwin, Nov 24, 2009.

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    Darwin JF-Expert Member

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    Maswali yangu yako pale pale hayajajibiwa.

    Ten Commandments
    Darwin [​IMG] 14th December 2008, 04:32 PM
    Hii thread nimeianzisha kwa ushauri wa Max aliyesema kama ninataka nianzishe ili apate kunijibu.
    Kila mtu ana uhuru wa kujadiliana ila sitopenda copy and paste
    Nataka vile mtu alivyosoma mwenyewe theology au hata vitabu vingine, kukopi kazi ya mtu mwingine haitasaidia chochote [ KWA WALE WASOMI NDIO MAANA KUNA MITIHANI MADARASANI.]

    Moses alizaliwa {makadirio} miaka 1400 kabla ya kristo.
    Moses ndie aliyepewa amri kumi za mungu
    Katika torat ndio wanaosema alionana na mungu macho kwa macho.
    Waislamu wanamuita Musa bwana wa mabwana.
    Yesu aliwahi kuulizwa je umekuja kuibadilisha torat ya Moses? akajibu sikuja kuibadili bali kuiboresha {kwa maana hio kuongezea machache nakuendelea aliyoacha Moses.

    Moses alipewa amri kumi na mungu kwenye jiwe, na lugha iliyotumika wakati ule ilikua Hebrew.

    Katika kusoma historia ya hebrew ni kwamba miaka 1400 kabla ya kristo kulikua hakuna alphabet za hebrew.

    Max maswali yangu ni haya

    1.Kama Moses/Musa alipewa amri kumi za mungu na lugha iliyotumika ni hebrew, imekuaje imepishana uhai wake na amri kumi alizopewa.

    2. Kama alphabet za Hebrew zilikuja karne na karne baada ya uhai wa moses kuna mtu mwingine alipewa amri kumi za mungu?

    3.Moses wa kwenye bible na torat ni huyo huyo mmoja au wawili?

    4.Je kuna moses wa kabla ya yesu na wa baada ya yesu aliyepewa amri kumi za mungu?

    Kama utanijibu haya maswali manne tu, basi kuanzia leo nitaamini kwamba Torah, bible na quran ni vitabu vya kweli na nitaanza kufuata dini, lakini kama sijapata jibu lolote kuhusu huyu Moses tu, basi nitaamini kwamba vitabu vyoote vilifanywa kutungwa tu na wajanja.

    Ni mimi wako


    Watu wa deen mpo?
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    Jujuman JF-Expert Member

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    Nitajaribu swali la tatu. Kwa mpangilio wa Biblia ilivyo nadhani ina Vitabu vitatu TORATI Aliyopewa Moses/Musa ZABURI Aliopewa David/Daudi na INJLI Aliyopewa Jisus/Yesu. Hivyo Moses/Musa ndie huyo huyo anaejitokeza tena kwenye kitabu cha nne Cha kidini Quraan.
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    And (remember) when We appointed for Musa (Moses) forty nights, and (in his absence) you took the calf (for worship), and you were Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.).

    (Quran 2:51)

    And (remember) when We gave Musa (Moses) the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah)] and the criterion (of right and wrong) so that you may be guided aright.

    (Quran 2:53)

    And (remember) when Musa (Moses) said to his people: "O my people! Verily, you have wronged yourselves by worshipping the calf. So turn in repentance to your Creator and kill yourselves (the innocent kill the wrongdoers among you), that will be better for you with your Lord." Then He accepted your repentance. Truly, He is the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful.
    (Quran 2:54)

    And (remember) when you said: "O Musa (Moses)! We shall never believe in you till we see Allah plainly." But you were seized with a thunderbolt (lightning) while you were looking.

    (Quran 2:55)

    And (remember) when Musa (Moses) asked for water for his people, We said: "Strike the stone with your stick." Then gushed forth therefrom twelve springs. Each (group of) people knew its own place for water. "Eat and drink of that which Allah has provided and do not act corruptly, making mischief on the earth."

    (Quran 2:60)

    And (remember) when you said, "O Musa (Moses)! We cannot endure one kind of food. So invoke your Lord for us to bring forth for us of what the earth grows, its herbs, its cucumbers, its Fum (wheat or garlic), its lentils and its onions." He said, "Would you exchange that which is better for that which is lower? Go you down to any town and you shall find what you want!" And they were covered with humiliation and misery, and they drew on themselves the Wrath of Allah. That was because they used to disbelieve the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah and killed the Prophets wrongfully. That was because they disobeyed and used to transgress the bounds (in their disobedience to Allah, i.e. commit crimes and sins).

    (Quran 2:61)

    And (remember) when Musa (Moses) said to his people: "Verily, Allah commands you that you slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you make fun of us?" He said, "I take Allah's Refuge from being among Al-Jahilun (the ignorants or the foolish)."

    (Quran 2:67)

    They said: Call on your Lord for our sake to make it plain to us what she is. Musa said: He says, Surely she is a cow neither advanced in age nor too young, of middle age between that (and this); do therefore what you are commanded.

    (Quran 2:68)

    They said: Call on your Lord for our sake to make it plain to us what her color is. Musa said: He says, Surely she is a yellow cow; her color is intensely yellow, giving delight to the beholders.

    (Quran 2:69)

    They said, "Call upon your Lord for us to make plain to us what it is. Verily to us all cows are alike, And surely, if Allah wills, we will be guided."

    (Quran 2:70)

    He [Musa (Moses)] said, "He says, 'It is a cow neither trained to till the soil nor water the fields, sound, having no other colour except bright yellow.' " They said, "Now you have brought the truth." So they slaughtered it though they were near to not doing it.

    (Quran 2:71)

    And (remember) when you killed a man and fell into dispute among yourselves as to the crime. But Allah brought forth that which you were hiding.

    (Quran 2:72)

    So We said: "Strike him (the dead man) with a piece of it (the cow)." Thus Allah brings the dead to life and shows you His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) so that you may understand.

    (Quran 2:73)

    And indeed, We gave Musa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel) ]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed.

    (Quran 2:87)

    And indeed Musa (Moses) came to you with clear proofs, yet you worshipped the calf after he left, and you were Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers).

    (Quran 2:92)

    Or do you want to ask your Messenger (Muhammad Peace be upon him ) as Musa (Moses) was asked before (i.e. show us openly our Lord?) And he who changes Faith for disbelief, verily, he has gone astray from the right way.

    (Quran 2:108)

    (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and ...

    (Quran 2:136)

    Have you not thought about the group of the Children of Israel after (the time of) Musa (Moses)? When they said to a Prophet of theirs, "Appoint for us a king and we will fight in Allah's Way." He said, "Would you then refrain from fighting, if fighting ...

    (Quran 2:246)

    And their Prophet (Samuel ) said to them, "Indeed Allah has appointed Talut (Saul) as a king over you." They said, "How can he be a king over us when we are better fitted than him for the kingdom, and he has not been given enough wealth." He said: "Verily, Allah has chosen him above you and has increased him abundantly in knowledge and stature. And Allah grants His Kingdom to whom He wills. And Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All-Knower."

    (Quran 2:247)

    And their Prophet (Samuel ) said to them: Verily! The sign of His Kingdom is that there shall come to you At-Tabut (a wooden box), wherein is Sakinah (peace and reassurance) from your Lord and a remnant of that which Musa (Moses) and Harun (Aaron) left behind, carried by the angels. Verily, in this is a sign for you if you are indeed believers.

    (Quran 2:248)

    Then when Talut (Saul) set out with the army, he said: "Verily! Allah will try you by a river. So whoever drinks thereof, he is not of me, and whoever tastes it not, he is of me, except him who takes (thereof) in the hollow of his hand." Yet, they drank thereof, all, except a few of them. So when he had crossed it (the river), he and those who believed with him, they said: "We have no power this day against Jalut (Goliath) and his hosts." But those who knew with certainty that they were to meet their Lord, said: "How often a small group overcame a mighty host by Allah's Leave?" And Allah is with As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.).

    (Quran 2:249)

    And when they advanced to meet Jalut (Goliath) and his forces, they invoked: "Our Lord! Pour forth on us patience and make us victorious over the disbelieving people."

    (Quran 2:250)

    So they routed them by Allah's Leave and Dawud (David) killed Jalut (Goliath), and Allah gave him [Dawud (David)] the kingdom [after the death of Talut (Saul) and Samuel] and Al-Hikmah (Prophethood), and taught him of that which He willed. And if Allah did not check one set of people by means of another, the earth would indeed be full of mischief. But Allah is full of Bounty to the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).

    (Quran 2:251)

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    Darwin JF-Expert Member

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    Thank you for your post.
    Kwa maana hio alikua the same fella right!?.

    Moses/Musa/Moshee alipewa amri kumi na mungu kwenye jiwe, according to bible lugha iliyotumika wakati ule ilikua Hebrew.

    Katika kusoma historia ya hebrew ni kwamba miaka 1400 kabla ya kristo kulikua hakuna alphabet za hebrew.

    Maswali yangu ni haya
    Imekaaje hii?

    Mahmoud una jibu hapa?