Tanzania: Uamsho debate – IS it religion, politics or a disease?


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Posted on | juni 18, 2012 | By Elias Mhegera

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Is it religion, politics or a disease? This is how one could sum up the debate which was meant for discussing access to information to just end up with the Uamsho debate.

On Tuesday this week at the Courtyard Protea Hotel the media stakeholders and lawyers were discussing the topic "is viable constitution possible amidst inadequate information?" in the breakfast debate that was convened by the Media Council of Tanzania (MCT). Three presentations were made one by Erick Kalunga from Daraja an NGO based in Njombe who dealt with findings on the level of access to information at district levels.

A second presentation was made by Charles Mkude from the National Organization for Legal Assistance (NOLA), who presented on the legal aspects of the constitution making process and the Bill that was amended for the formulation highlighting its strength and weaknesses.

However it was the discussant Deus Kibamba chairperson of the Jukwaa la Katiba which is an independent Constitution Forum an umbrella body of the civil society who provoked serious discussions. For his part ‘Uamsho' an Islamic religious awakening has turned into a political machination to voice the Zanzibaris demand for discussing the Union matter in the process of formulating a new constitution.

"I can tell you Uamsho is no longer a purely religious movement but it has been manipulated in order to fulfill political ambitions," noted Kibamba. This then became the main theme of discussion in a meeting which was predominantly made of Tanzanians from the Mainland side of the Union.

Probably the debate was sensitized by the fact that the self proclaimed religious movement has arisen after so many years of dormant operations just to gain momentum now when the Union matter is being queried by some people in the Zanzibar Isles.
Impliedly contributors noted that there must be a big wig machination behind the Uamsho affair as it was noted by one Beda Msimbe an editor with the Tanzania Standard Newspapers.

He revealed that he belongs to the Roman Catholic Church and he had an opportunity to live in Zanzibar and therefore he knows of the existence of Uamsho for more than fifty years but he has been stunned by the recent turn of events. "I have once lived in Zanzibar it is true that these people were uncomfortable whenever they saw one attending a church this stance was quite different from other normal Muslims, but they had never attempted to destroy any property therefore I am confused by the recent happenings," he commented.

Ms Mesha Pius a postgraduate degree student in Development Studies at the University of Dar es Salaam said that it was high time the two sides of the Union had resolved the squabbles commonly known as "kero za Muungano". "In secondary schools our civics teachers taught us that Zanzibar was just one of the regions forming Tanzania but when I grew up to attend a tertiary institution I was told Zanzibar is a sovereign country "within the Union" this is very confusing," she commented causing laughter at the hall.

This then tempted one Suleiman Seif Omar the MCT the manager Zanzibar Office who said that it was not proper to assume that all Zanzibaris do not need the Union, instead he noted if a survey was to be conducted today those who are against the Union would not exceed 30 percent of all residents in the Isles.

He assured attendants in the occasion that majority of his colleagues in the Isles were pro the Union but what they were querying was the nature of the Union and for the fact that resources are not distributed equitably to the two countries and that is the main cry of the Zanzibaris. He also warned that the dissatisfaction was felt in the diplomatic representations where a good number of ambassadors emanate from the Mainland while there are many people from the Isles with similar or even far off better qualifications.
He was quick to add that the budget allocation for Zanzibar and many of grants from donors never reach his fellow Zanzibaris.
"But I do not see this as a justification for attacks to churches and bars because those who ambushed bars they later celebrated by drinking beers openly a sign that these are not devout Muslims," he concluded.

But this did not resolve the matter either because participants said that it is very difficult to separate the Uamsho movement from the recent chaotic events taking into consideration that attempts to arrest a few of those who were implicated drew a massive support from other residents in Zanzibar. On this issue Kibamba called for a mature approach from leaders of the Christian denominations because any strong statements could provoke serious repercussions of retaliations.

One journalist who preferred anonymity added that the movement might be a continuation of the Zanzibaris efforts to go alone in the Islamic world after their first attempt was interrupted when legislators from the Mainland called for the revival of Tanganyika if Zanzibar was to join the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) in 1994.

He noted that for quite some time there have been rumours that the Mainland is suspicious of the security threats if it were to release Zanzibar free. His argument concurs with the notion that Zanzibar could have turned a ‘Cuba of Africa' after its revolution which was a concern to the US, in early 1960s but currently the main threat is Islamic fundamentalism if the same was to happen.
This theory was supported by other members who said there are big wigs of Zanzibar origin in the Uamsho phenomena from the Government of National Unity (GNU), in Zanzibar and some currently working in the Union Government in the Mainland Tanzania.
Kibamba summarized his discussion by warning that even in Tanzania Mainland there are people who say Zanzibar is benefiting more from the Union he cited the recent survey which indicated that in Zanzibar 2000 people are eligible to elect a legislator a population which is far below for the election of a councilor in the Mainland.

Concluding his remarks Mkude warned that the constitution formulation process could as well be affected by illiteracy he called for the CSOs, media and political parties to foster the peoples' agenda otherwise the new constitution might turn up to be a tool for few individuals to satisfy their political agenda.
 
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Is it religion, politics or a disease?
I am curious in what was the basis which led to why it would even be considered right to ask if the term 'disease' is in any way appropriate to be observed as one of the possibilities of explaining or understanding the so called 'Uamsho'. Hio ni insult.

Wana mapungufu mengi sana, but sio wajinga... Whether wametumwa, ni lengo lao, ni sawa, ni makosa inatakiwa wasichukuliwe hoja zao kwa wepesi tupilia mbali makosa mengi wanayo fanya... Dharau ya mambo madogo madogo ambayo hugusa vitu vikubwa/vya tija/ ama nyeti ndio tatizo la matatizo la mataifa mengi sana hapa Africa. Once we reach epic ya kushindwa kulitatua likapokonyoka mkononi, in a way we are done.
 
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Boko Haram Commited Crimes Against Humanity - ICC.

So... If they BURN CHURCHES; Theatening HUMAN BEING's of DIFFERENT RELIGION; COLOR or CULTURE it is CRIME against HUMANITY... then UAMSHO operates against HUMANITY... HENCE it is a CRIME!!!
 
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I am curious in what was the basis which led to why it would even be considered right to ask if the term 'disease' is in any way appropriate to be observed as one of the possibilities of explaining or understanding the so called 'Uamsho'. Hio ni insult.

Wana mapungufu mengi sana, but sio wajinga... Whether wametumwa, ni lengo lao, ni sawa, ni makosa inatakiwa wasichukuliwe hoja zao kwa wepesi tupilia mbali makosa mengi wanayo fanya... Dharau ya mambo madogo madogo ambayo hugusa vitu vikubwa/vya tija/ ama nyeti ndio tatizo la matatizo la mataifa mengi sana hapa Africa. Once we reach epic ya kushindwa kulitatua likapokonyoka mkononi, in a way we are done.
Sasa kama NCHI ni 99% MUSLIM's kwanini WACHOME MOTO MAKANISA? Kwani hayo MAKANISA ndio yenye MAKOSA; yaliyosababisha MATATIZO na DHARAU? Kama ni kuchukua SHERIA MKONONI... CHURCHES of DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS are to BLAME???
 
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Sasa kama NCHI ni 99% MUSLIM's kwanini WACHOME MOTO MAKANISA? Kwani hayo MAKANISA ndio yenye MAKOSA; yaliyosababisha MATATIZO na DHARAU? Kama ni kuchukua SHERIA MKONONI... CHURCHES of DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS are to BLAME???

Mkuu nngu... Siamini kuwa umenielewa nilichopost hapo. Kipo so clear hata nashangaa... Sikubaliani na uwepo wa Uamsho, sikubaliani na msimamo wao na at the moment (sijui uko mbele) sikubaliani na kuvunjika kwa muungano. Suala la kuchoma makanisa, dharau zao na kuchukua sherika mkononi, Pia SIKUBALIANI nalo... Na nisha insinuate hilo katika post yangu ya kwanza ya hiii thread.

Pamoja na yote hayo, huyo discussant wa debate juu ya Uamsho naona KAKOSEA na hajatenda haki kutumia 'Disease' kama moja ya school of thought ya kuwaelewa wana 'Uamsho' Zanzibar. Ndio mana nimesema hio ni dharau. Siwezi kubaliana tu na hoja mbovu isiyo na tija eti sabau tu sikubaliani na nyingi ya taratibu za Uamsho. Siwezi...
 
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Mkuu nngu... Siamini kuwa umenielewa nilichopost hapo. Kipo so clear hata nashangaa... Sikubaliani na uwepo wa Uamsho, sikubaliani na msimamo wao na at the moment (sijui uko mbele) sikubaliani na kuvunjika kwa muungano. Suala la kuchoma makanisa, dharau zao na kuchukua sherika mkononi, Pia SIKUBALIANI nalo... Na nisha insinuate hilo katika post yangu ya kwanza ya hiii thread.

Pamoja na yote hayo, huyo discussant wa debate juu ya Uamsho naona KAKOSEA na hajatenda haki kutumia 'Disease' kama moja ya school of thought ya kuwaelewa wana 'Uamsho' Zanzibar. Ndio mana nimesema hio ni dharau. Siwezi kubaliana tu na hoja mbovu isiyo na tija eti sabau tu sikubaliani na nyingi ya taratibu za Uamsho. Siwezi...
OH Pardon Me Please... Kweli sikuiangalia HOJA yaka VIZURI... Lakini UAMSHO as NGO ni Sawa KUWEPO sababu Pamoja na it's Fandamentalism inawapata Wananchi Wengi na Kama ikibaki as an NGO itanufaisha Wananchi Wengi Zanzibar
 
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Bokoharam and uamsho are two organizations with diferent views and vision.uamsho is an islamic registered organization.the main forcus is to awake and mobilise muslims.the mobilization regardless if it is social matters,political,economic or cultural.constitutional revies is a two sides of coin.uamsho as it is religeous orgarnization there is no worse to yieled out its feels to what constitution should be.now,most of zanzibaris regret over this kind of union based on what we called kero za muungano.by that,uamsho voice is to have zanzibar sovereghnity.and not other wise.that is wide diffent with boko haram.the case of uamsho to be suported by hiden political party in zanzibar is totally wrong, since if you had ever heard or red ccm manifesto over union is widely seen from two countries to one strong nation differ from cuf from two governnents as we are to three governments,zanzibar government,tanganyika government and union government.now,where union of treatiy comes from from.by that,it should be understood openly that,there is no any party forces to what we call muungano wa mkataba,the forces is under the left and right hands of zanzibaris them selves through uamsho to put aside union since it is no longer necesary to them.
 
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mkuu nngu... Siamini kuwa umenielewa nilichopost hapo. Kipo so clear hata nashangaa... Sikubaliani na uwepo wa uamsho, sikubaliani na msimamo wao na at the moment (sijui uko mbele) sikubaliani na kuvunjika kwa muungano. Suala la kuchoma makanisa, dharau zao na kuchukua sherika mkononi, pia sikubaliani nalo... Na nisha insinuate hilo katika post yangu ya kwanza ya hiii thread.

Pamoja na yote hayo, huyo discussant wa debate juu ya uamsho naona kakosea na hajatenda haki kutumia 'disease' kama moja ya school of thought ya kuwaelewa wana 'uamsho' zanzibar. Ndio mana nimesema hio ni dharau. Siwezi kubaliana tu na hoja mbovu isiyo na tija eti sabau tu sikubaliani na nyingi ya taratibu za uamsho. Siwezi...

kwa mambo wanayoyafanya uamsho katika zile harakati zao za kishetani,,sidhani kama kufananishwa na ugonjwa ni kwamba wamedharauliwa

yawezekana kabisa kabisa wakawa ni maradhi sugu yanayostahili kutafutiwa dawa ya kuua moja kwa moja uwepo wa maradhi yale

uamsho ni kero kubwa
 
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Uamsho ni nuksi tupu and to be honest they're a disease, why?

First not denying their existence nor there demands but analyzing their methods (Uamsho is a cancer that needs to be contained). Their demands are much associated with egoism and seek to fulfill personal (group satisfaction) that they see fit for ZNZ whilst hiding there agenda under ZNZ's rights.

They are using Islam in trying to gain sympathy of the people, neglecting altruism and moral contracts for the sake of their goals. That in itself begs the question of their motive and perplexes of their demands.

Are they for ZNZ's rights in terms of what they see is being deprived or just hedonist of Islam using ZNZ's to endorse their course.

Why on earth burn others churches for your course, already it is a demonstration that this group doesn't respect altruism and moral contractianism. Hence it begs the question of their purpose and moral existence in our times.
 
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Sasa kama NCHI ni 99% MUSLIM's kwanini WACHOME MOTO MAKANISA? Kwani hayo MAKANISA ndio yenye MAKOSA; yaliyosababisha MATATIZO na DHARAU? Kama ni kuchukua SHERIA MKONONI... CHURCHES of DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS are to BLAME???
tatizo kanisa au kuchoma nyumba za ibada? mbona huko mto wa mbu kunamsikiti ulichomwa na wakiristo mbona hatujasikia watu wakichukuliwa hatua kali?
 
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kwa mambo wanayoyafanya uamsho katika zile harakati zao za kishetani,,sidhani kama kufananishwa na ugonjwa ni kwamba wamedharauliwa

yawezekana kabisa kabisa wakawa ni maradhi sugu yanayostahili kutafutiwa dawa ya kuua moja kwa moja uwepo wa maradhi yale uamsho ni kero kubwa
Big Show, Kabla sijakataliana na wewe yawezekana kabisa upo sawa... Kama hutajali naomba jenga hoja ki mdahalo kunishawishi kuwa inawezekana kabisa kutafsiri all Uamsho related issues kuwa ni 'Ugonjwa' then tutaone namna gani ya kusonga zaidi ki mjadala.
 
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Mimi nadhani wanayofanya uamsho yangalifanywa na maaskofu, vyombo vingi vya habari vya tz vingaliunga Mkono.
hii ndio tz tunayoijenga na tunayowaacia watoto wetu
 
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Uamsho ni nuksi tupu and to be honest they're a disease, why?

First not denying their existence nor there demands but analyzing their methods (Uamsho is a cancer that needs to be contained). Their demands are much associated with egoism and seek to fulfill personal (group satisfaction) that they see fit for ZNZ whilst hiding there agenda under ZNZ's rights.

They are using Islam in trying to gain sympathy of the people, neglecting altruism and moral contracts for the sake of their goals. That in itself begs the question of their motive and perplexes of their demands.

Are they for ZNZ's rights in terms of what they see is being deprived or just hedonist of Islam using ZNZ's to endorse their course.

Why on earth burn others churches for your course, already it is a demonstration that this group doesn't respect altruism and moral contractianism. Hence it begs the question of their purpose and moral existence in our times.

Well I kind of agree with the whole post.. Except on it being as a postulation of why 'disease' is labled. Zinjan, what is the connection of what you have posted (maelezo) with the term disease? Is it because of their so called selfishness? Is it because you see them egoistic? OR is it because they deem themselves above the Law?

Quite confused... Sijaona connection of all that with it being a disease. Unafanya hoja yako ya msingi uliyotowa kupoteza u'msingi wake kama ndio maelezo unatoa juu ya kwanini ni 'Ugonjwa'.
 
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Big Show, Kabla sijakataliana na wewe yawezekana kabisa upo sawa... Kama hutajali naomba jenga hoja ki mdahalo kunishawishi kuwa inawezekana kabisa kutafsiri all Uamsho related issues kuwa ni 'Ugonjwa' then tutaone namna gani ya kusonga zaidi ki mjadala.


THE MAJOR FACTOR WHICH I WILL STAND FOR AND TAKE AS A WEAPON OF KILLING UAMSHO & SONS IS THEIR RIDICULOUS APPROACH OF USING ISLAM AS AN UMBRELLAR OF FIGHTING FOR ZANZIBAR'S LIBERATION FROM COLONIALISTS,,TOO BAD INDEED AND WITHOUT A SHAME AND IN A CHILDISH WAY INDEED THOSE COLONIALISTS WHICH THEY ARE CLAIMING AND TALKING ABOUT ARE MAINLAND TANZANIANS..
UAMSHO=DISEASES
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First not denying their existence nor there demands but analyzing their methods (Uamsho is a cancer that needs to be contained). Their demands are much associated with egoism and seek to fulfill personal (group satisfaction) that they see fit for ZNZ whilst hiding there agenda under ZNZ's rights.
Una hukumu vipi kuwa wanachokitaka Uamsho hawakitaki Wazanzibari wengine?

Unahukumu vipi kuwa Uamsho ni kikundi kidogo tu cha watu?
 
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THE MAJOR FACTOR WHICH I WILL STAND FOR AND TAKE AS A WEAPON OF KILLING UAMSHO & SONS IS THEIR RIDICULOUS APPROACH OF USING ISLAM AS AN UMBRELLAR OF FIGHTING FOR ZANZIBAR'S LIBERATION FROM COLONIALISTS,,TOO BAD INDEED AND WITHOUT A SHAME AND IN A CHILDISH WAY INDEED THOSE COLONIALISTS WHICH THEY ARE CLAIMING AND TALKING ABOUT ARE MAINLAND TANZANIANS..
UAMSHO=DISEASES
:frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty:

hahaha! With the shouting (hizo caplocks) na the fury (hizo smileys) you are in 'NO' position ya kutoa hoja bila hisia za hasira na ambazo zipo biased. In that case... I rest my case.
 
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mimi nadhani wanayofanya uamsho yangalifanywa na maaskofu, vyombo vingi vya habari vya tz vingaliunga mkono.
Hii ndio tz tunayoijenga na tunayowaacia watoto wetu

even to islam uamsho is illegal

islam has got nothing to do with such a satanic movement
if uamsho wants to liberate zanzibar they have to think and come with another approach

they have got their own motives,,waache kuvaa ngozi ya kondoo hali ya kuwa wao ni chui

uamsho wajiamshe wenyewe kwanza,wao ndio haswa waliolala,,

alielala atathubutu vipi kumwamsha alie macho,maigizo hayo

wataishia jela na kunyolewa ndevu zao
 
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even to islam uamsho is illegal

islam has got nothing to do with such a satanic movement
Tupe ushahidi wa uharamu wa Uamsho kwenye Uislam na ushahidi wa vitendo vya kishetani vya Uamsho
 
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hahaha! With the shouting (hizo caplocks) na the fury (hizo smileys) you are in 'no' position ya kutoa hoja bila hisia za hasira na ambazo zipo biased. In that case... I rest my case.

ashadii,,
hopeful you gt my point,and both me and you now we can agree and come into conclusion together that uamsho is a deadly disease which needs an immediately prevention and cure..
 
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ashadii,,
hopeful you gt my point,and both me and you now we can agree and come into conclusion together that uamsho is a deadly disease which needs an immediately prevention and cure..
Yes... I get your point. But do not agree with it... Kuna mambo ambayo ungeamua kweli kusimamia na kuaribu kueleza yangekuwa na manufaa. Bado hujani convince kuwa Uamsho ni Ugonjwa na nikakubali. Na najua leo sio siku ya wewe kuweza fanikisha hilo, else toa sababu za msingi ku-justify ni matendo gani ambayo yana ashiria 'Ugonjwa'.
 

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