Tanzania Kutomtambua Mugabe: Je, Unaunga Mkono Serikali Yetu au Huungi? Piga Kura..

[Steve Dii]

At least umekiri kwamba Miafrika iko nyuma sana (kwa kila kitu).....

Ndiyo Nyani nimekiri, lakini naipongeza baadhi ya miafrika hii pale inapoonesha kuchachafywa na yale yanayoizunguka na kuonesha moyo wa kuweza kujikomboa yenyewe... ndiyo maana naiunga mikono na kushiriki katika yote ninayoamini yataisaidia miafrika hii katika kuleta maendeleo yake....

Miafrika mingi iko nyuma Ngabu, lakini iliyo nyuma zaidi ni ile inayokubali kumeza yoyote yale mizungu inayowarushia....na kusema mambo ndiyo yalivyo, kwa vile miafrika myenzetu iliyo mingi haijitambui na haijui kama iko nyuma wala mbele, basi ni bora kujiunga nayo na kukubali hivi ndivyo ilivyo nami ngoja niwe kama hiyo hiyo...

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Ndiyo Nyani nimekiri, lakini naipongeza baadhi ya miafrika hii pale inapoonesha kuchachafywa na yale yanayoizunguka na kuonesha moyo wa kuweza kujikomboa yenyewe... ndiyo maana naiunga mikono na kushiriki katika yote ninayoamini yataisaidia miafrika hii katika kuleta maendeleo yake....

Miafrika mingi iko nyuma Ngabu, lakini iliyo nyuma zaidi ni ile inayokubali kumeza yoyote yale mizungu inayowarushia....na kusema mambo ndiyo yalivyo, kwa vile miafrika myenzetu iliyo mingi haijitambui na haijui kama iko nyuma wala mbele, basi ni bora kujiunga nayo na kukubali hivi ndivyo ilivyo nami ngoja niwe kama hiyo hiyo...

Sidhani kama Miafrika mingi ingekuwa inameza kila kitu kinachorushwa na mizungu Afrika ingekuwa jinsi ilivyo maana Mizungu inarusha Demokrasia, utawala wa sheria, utawala bora, uhuru wa mawazo/ maoni na kujieleza, haki za binadamu, uhuru wa vyombo vya habari, chaguzi zilizo huru na haki, na mengine mengi tu. Ni Mizungu michache mno inayosemaga (at least hadharani) kuwa Miafrika Ndivyo Tulivyo. Mizungu mingi inatutia moyo kila siku kuwa tunaweza kabisa kupiga vita umaskini. Mizungu mingi inatusaidia sana na misaada ya maendeleo. Isingekuwa kwa Mizungu mimi na wewe pengine tungekuwa tunachunga ng'ombe na mbuzi tu sasa hivi. Ni Miafrika yenyewe ndiyo chanzo cha mabalaa ya Afrika. Ukiliuliza leo LiMugabe au LiKibaki litakuambia kuwa Mizungu ndiyo ya kulaumiwa na ndio chanzo cha matatizo Afrika.

 

[Steve Dii]

NN, naomba kurekebisha pale niliposema nimekiri... nimegundua kuwa ulisema 'kwa kila kitu'...... ukiwa umemaanisha haya maneno kwa kila kitu, mimi naondoa kukiri kwangu kwa asilimia 100% kama vile inaweza kuashirika kwa kusema tu 'nimekiri.'

Sababu za kutokiri kwa 100% ni nyingi... zinahitaji maelezo yake marefu na sidhani kama nitaweza kuandika na kuyaelezea kinaga ubaga kwa kifupi... hivyo nayastahi maelezo hayo.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

NN, naomba kurekebisha pale niliposema nimekiri... nimegundua kuwa ulisema 'kwa kila kitu'...... ukiwa umemaanisha haya maneno kwa kila kitu, mimi naondoa kukiri kwangu kwa asilimia 100% kama vile inaweza kuashirika kwa kusema tu 'nimekiri.'

Sababu za kutokiri kwa 100% ni nyingi... zinahitaji maelezo yake marefu na sidhani kama nitaweza kuandika na kuyaelezea kinaga ubaga kwa kifupi... hivyo nayastahi maelezo hayo.

Na mimi naomba nirekebishe/ nibadilishe hayo maneno "kwa kila kitu" na badala yake niweke "katika mambo mengi".....niwie radhi kwa kupigwa chenga na lugha....

 

[Kafara]

Umesikia wapi Tanzania kutomtambua Mugabe?

Tofautisha Tanzania na African Union.

Niwekee sehemu wanasema "Tanzania haitambui Zimbabwe." Naongelea independent decision ya Tanzania, siyo inayo flow by default as a member of AU.

mkuu joka kuu ametuletea hii kwenye thread nyingine. sasa wapi au imesema haimtambui mugabe?

AU Summit Resolution On Zimbabwe


African Union (Addis Ababa)

Posted to the web 2 July 2008

Sharm El Sheikh, Egypt

The African Union Assembly, meeting in its 11th Ordinary Session held on June 30 to July 1, 2008 in Sharm El Sheikh, Egypt,

DEEPLY CONCERNED with the prevailing situation in Zimbabwe;


DEEPLY CONCERNED with the negative reports of SADC, the African Union and the Pan-African Parliament observers on the Zimbabwean Presidential run-off election held on June 27, 2008;

DEEPLY CONCERNED about the violence and the loss of life that has occurred in Zimbabwe.

CONSIDERING the urgent need to prevent further worsening of the situation and with a view to avoid spread of conflict with the consequential negative impact on the country and the sub-region;

FURTHER CONSIDERING the need to create an environment conducive for democracy, as well as the development of the people of Zimbabwe;

EXPRESSING its appreciation to SADC, and its Organ on Politics, Defence and Security Co-operation, as well as the Facilitator of the intra-Zimbabwe dialogue, His Excellency Thabo Mbeki, President of the Republic of South Africa, and His Excellency Jean Ping, Chairperson of the African Union Commission for the ongoing work aimed at reconciling the political parties;

RECOGNISING the complexity of the situation in Zimbabwe;

NOTING the willingness of the political leaders of Zimbabwe to enter into negotiations to establish a Government of National Unity;

NOTING FURTHER the preparatory discussions on this matter had already started, under SADC facilitation;

Hereby decide:

1. TO ENCOURAGE President Robert Mugabe and the leader of the MDC Party Mr Morgan Tsvangirai to honour their commitment to initiate dialogue with a view to promoting peace, stability, democracy and the reconciliation of the Zimbabwean people;

2. TO SUPPORT the call, for the creation of a Government of National Unity;


3. TO SUPPORT the SADC Facilitation, and to recommend that SADC mediation efforts should be continued in order to resolve the problems they are facing. In this regard SADC should establish a mechanism on the ground in order to seize the momentum for a negotiated solution;

4. TO APPEAL to states and all parties concerned to refrain from any action that may negatively impact on the climate of dialogue;

5. In the spirit of all SADC initiatives, the AU remains convinced that the people of Zimbabwe will be able to resolve their differences and work together once again as one Nation, provided they receive undivided support from SADC, the AU and the world at large.

naamini sentensi hiyo inamaana au inamtambua mugabe kama raisi wa zimbabwe. vinginevyo wangesema "encourage parties..." au kitu kinachofanana nacho. ni muhimu kuzingatia kwamba reference ya "presidenti mugabe" ipo namba 1.

ndio maana naamini serikali ingefuata njia nyingine kutatua huu mgogoro na wala sio kusema usikike tena baada ya kutoka kikao kikuu cha au ambapo tz ni mwenyekiti.

 

[Gamba la Nyoka]

mkuu joka kuu ametuletea hii kwenye thread nyingine. sasa wapi au imesema haimtambui mugabe?




naamini sentensi hiyo inamaana au inamtambua mugabe kama raisi wa zimbabwe. vinginevyo wangesema "encourage parties..." au kitu kinachofanana nacho. ni muhimu kuzingatia kwamba reference ya "presidenti mugabe" ipo namba 1.

ndio maana naamini serikali ingefuata njia nyingine kutatua huu mgogoro na wala sio kusema usikike tena baada ya kutoka kikao kikuu cha au ambapo tz ni mwenyekiti.

Lakini title ya president si huwa ipo, kama ishara ya heshima kwa maraisi wa zamani?, mfano wakati mwingine Mandela huwa wanamuita president Mandela, au President Carter, President Clinton n.k, kwa hiyo sidhani kama kwa statement hiyo eti Mugabe katambuliwa rasmi

 

[jmushi1]

sasa Tunaunga Mkono Kitu Ambacho Hakipo Ni Wapi Tanzani Imeeleza Kuwa Haimtambui Mugabe ?

Membe Alisema!

 

[Kafara]

Lakini title ya president si huwa ipo, kama ishara ya heshima kwa maraisi wa zamani?, mfano wakati mwingine Mandela huwa wanamuita president Mandela, au President Carter, President Clinton n.k, kwa hiyo sidhani kama kwa statement hiyo eti Mugabe katambuliwa rasmi

huwezi kumuita mtu "president" kwenye document rasmi ya mkutano rasmi wa nchi wanachama. ninahakika ujumbe wa zimbabwe uliliona hilo wakati wa majadiliano ya hiyo document. siamini kama wote walioshiriki uandishi wa hiyo document walipigwa "bao" bali wamefanya hivyo wakijuwa wazi maana yake ni kumtambua mugabe kama president.

kwa kweli bado naamini tz imekosea kutoa tamko lake kwani naamini kulikuwepo na njia nyingine bora zaidi.