Stephen Hawking's Final Book Says There's 'No Possibility' of God in Our Universe
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Avriel
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Onene nale masala kulangwa gete.....
OMOYOGWANE
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Tuachane na hayo ya kutishika au kutokutishika kwani si maudhui ya mjadala huu,
Ninachikiona hapa ni kwamba unaufahamu wa vitu Vingi ni kma vile umetutangulia kujua ndio maana umeweza kudominate mjadala kwa miaka kadhaa,
Acha nitulie kwanza nikipata hoja ya msingi nitarudi
spencer
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Alikuwa anamaanisha Stablility siyo RigidityHata Galileo Galilei aliposema dunia inazunguka jua, na si kweli kwamba jua linazunguka dunia kama kanisa na Biblia inavyosema, aliambiwa kakufuru. Akafungiwa nyumbani kwake baada ya kuomba msamaha bila sababu ili tu asiuawe.
Biblia inasema Mungu ameisimamisha dunia, haizunguki. Hilo tu linatakiwa kukuonesha Biblia imeandikwa na watu, si Mungu. Tena watu ambao hawakuwa na elimu ya kujua dunia inazunguka.
Miaka 350 baadaye, kanisa katoliki limeomba msamaha na kusema Galileo alikuwa sawa.
Galileo alikuwa mbele zaidi ya kanisa katika kujua ukweli, kwa kutumia majaribio ya kisayansi.
Unaweza kuthibitisha Mungu yupo na habari za kuwapo huyo Mungu si hadithi za watu tu?
Habari ya kanisa kuomba radhi kwa kumhukumu Galileo kimakosa iliandikwa na The New York Times hapa chini.
Wengine mpaka leo tunahukumiwa kimakosa na wanadini kama alivyohukumiwa Galileo. Labda miaka 350 ijayo watu wataelewa ukweli.
Mistari ya Biblia inayosema dunia haizunguki.
1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."
Psalm 93:1: "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ..."
Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..."
Psalm 104:5: "Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken."
Isaiah 45:18: "...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast
Kiranga
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The earth is not stable.
It is rotating on its unstable axis.
It is revolving around the sun. The sun itself is moving revolving around the center of the galaxy.
The galaxy itself is moving in space.
The earth is neither stable nor rigid, the continents are moving, earthquakes abound.
Even the orbit of the earth around the sun is not stable, it varies into apogee and perigee, and given time, thousands and thousands of years, the earths orbit around the sun changes significantly, it is not fixed.
The earth is neither stable, nor rigid.
Earth orbit changes were key to Antarctic warming that ended last ice age
New ice core research shows that the warming that ended the last ice age in Antarctica began at least 2,000 years earlier than previously thought.
www.washington.edu
Earth's Orbit Has Been Doing Something Really Weird For Hundreds Of Millions Of Years
Earth's Orbit Has Been Doing Something Really Weird For Hundreds Of Millions Of Years
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Wewe mbona huwezi kuthibitisha kutokuwepo kwake ?
Nani amekwambia kwamba Mola wetu mlezi haonekani kwa Macho ?
Sasa kama humjui Mungu,kwanini unamzungumzia na kupinga kutokuwepo kwake ?
Hivi huwa unatumia nini kufikiri ? Mpaka hili dogo linakushinda ?
Inaonekana tamko "kupinga" na "kukanusha" limekupita kidogo. Angekuwa anataka kuujua ukweli huu mjadala au fikra zake zingekuwa zimeisha kitambo.
Anachokifanya yeye ni kukanusha jambo pasi na elimu,ndio maana hata maswali ukimuuliza hajibu na anachotaka yeye kuthibitishiwa huku akiwa ametanguliza kukanusha mtu wa hivi hasemwi kama anatafuta ukweli bali anakanusha jambo ambalo halijui.
Umewatolea mfano Wanafalasfa kwa munasaba wa Kiranga,japo wanafalsafa walipotea,lakini katika kuutafuta ukweli walikuwa hawakanushi kwanza,na kukanusha jambo bila kuwa na elimu nalo wewe unaonekana ni mjinga mkubwa. Mathalani wewe,unaweza kukanusha jambo usilolijua ? Kama huwezi vipi liwezekane kwake ? Lazima atakuwa na matatizo ya akili. Hakuna mwanfalsafa aliyetafuta ukweli kwa kukanusha jambo kwanza. Lakini hapa hapa kwa Wanafalsafa,watu hawa walikuwa wanahoji vizuri sana lakini walikosa ala za kuwafikisha kwenye ukweli ndio maana ukiangalia katika mawazi yao na nadharia zao kuhusu chanzo cha ukimwengu walitofautiana sana,wapo waliosema chanzo cha ulimwengu ni hewa,wengine moto,wengine maji na mfano wake.
Kiranga
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Unaelewa kwamba kumuliza mtu "Mungu ni nini?" si sawa na kusema "Simjui Mungu" na kuchanganya haya mawili kuona ni kitu kimoja ni kuonesha utapiamlo wa akili ulionao?
Unaelewa Socratic method ni nini?
Unaelewa logical non sequitur ni nini?
Unaelewa mwalimu akikuuliza boiling point ya silver ni nini, hilo halimaanishi yeye mwalimu haijui boiling point ya silver ni nini?
Nacheka sana,huwezi kutofautisha kauli hizo mbili sababu zote zinaingia katika maana moja,kauli ya kwanza ni swali la kutaka kujua na kauli ya pili ni kuweka bayana au tamayizi au kuelezea na kukiri.
Sasa tatizo lipo kwako usie weza kutoa maana moja katika swali na kauli ya kukiri,hali ya kuwa viwili hivyo ni sawa.
Socrates Method sina haja ya kuijua,sababu kujua kwake na kutokuijua ni sawa. Naweza kukuuliza moja tu ambalo najua hutaweza kulijibu,achilia mbali kuhusu Socrates Method,lakini hapa nakuuliza swali,kwanini hutilii shaka uwepo wa Socrates wakati hujawahi kumuona zaidi ya kusikia habari zake ? Lakini je nikikuuliza swali unithibitishie kama Socrates aliwahi kuishi duniani unaweza kufanya hivyo ?
Nipo ....
Nakuachia kazi juu ya haya niliyo kuuliza na ukawaulize wakubwa zako. Ukipenda siku yoyote kunijibu utanijibu,ila najua huwezi ndio maana umetafuta pa kujificha.
Huwa nakwambia na hapa natilia mkazo kwa kauli hii "Tengeneza kiti chako kwanza kabla ya kukitia nakshi".
Ila kaa ukijua una deni toka kwangu,yaani nakudai.
Siku nyingine usiwe muoga namna hii.
Behaviourist
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Wewe si ulikufa mkuu?!
Huwezi kuona "point" japo nimekuandikia wewe na mfano wako,na silazima uelewe leo,ila nimekufikishia ujumbe,japo wewe ni kipofu wa moyo na akili.
Kinyume chake ndio ukweli.
Una maswali ya kitoto sana,lugha ni asili katika kujenga hoja na kueleweka kwa ziada ya ufasaha.
Swali la "nani" ni swali lisilo na badali kwa maana kinyume chake hakiwezekani,kwa maana kinachozungumziwa hapo ni chenye ufahamu,na lugha kwa asili ina unga mkono hilo. Kwa maana kisicho na ufahamu na ujuzi hakiwezi kuuliziwa kwa tamko "nani" ?
Hivi leo hii ukimkuta mbwa juu ya mti. Utajiuliza :
1. Kapandaje ? au
2. Kapandishwa na nani ?
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