Somalia: Girl stoned was a child of 13

@ # 80..

teh teh teh..

Sasa hiki ndo nini wajameni?

Hivi tupo ukurasa mmoja kweli? au tuite ambulance ya Mirembe?
 
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The Killing of Asma': Forgery

Basically the charge is that the Prophet(saw) had ordered the killing of Asma' when she insulted him with her poetry. As it is usually the case where the history of Islam and the character of the Prophet(saw) is concerned, it is left to the Muslims to throw some light on authenticity of the story in which this incident is reported by the sources and educate the missionaries in matters which they have no clue about.

The story of the killing of Asma' bint Marwan is mentioned by Ibn Sa'd in Kitab At-Tabaqat Al-Kabir and by the author of Kinz-ul-'Ummal under number 44131 who attributes it to Ibn Sa'd, Ibn 'Adiyy and Ibn 'Asaker. What is interesting is that Ibn 'Adiyy mentions it in his book Al-Kamel on the authority of Ja'far Ibn Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ibn As-Sabah on authority of Muhammad Ibn Ibrahim Ash-Shami on authority of Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj Al-Lakhmi on authority of Mujalid on authority of Ash-Shu'abi on authority of Ibn 'Abbas, and added that

...this isnâd (chain of reporters) is not narrated on authority of Mujalid but by Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj and they all (other reporters in the chain) accuse Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj of forging it.

It is also reported by Ibn al-Gawzi in Al-'Ilal and is listed among other flawed reports.

So according to its isnâd, the report is forged - because one of its reporters is notorious for fabricating hadîth. Hence, such a story is rejected and is better off being put into the trash can.
 
Mtindiowaubongo said:
@ #78..

Uuuh..I'm scared of that!!

See, its difficult to be a muslim eeh?

SO much inconsistencies in-therre..I bet the one who is deranged here is you..b'se its either you accept the laws of Allah (as portrayed by Mo --some of examples are in this very thread) or you create yours and become infidel (kuffar)..

Now who are you?

Is this msg coming from a person of zero understanding?

do read the old testament .. case of fornication .. and its between father and daughter a holy leneage that is one of your holy descendants

with moslems its banned and thats the repurcation ... click that .. am a muslim proud to be one and hang yourself if that disturbs you ... if you could just digest what i had written down you would go to no trouble of wasting your energy .. anyway .. there is a saying that goes .. never argue with a .... coz people may not notice the diffence

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@#82,

Find free education in page 4 , post # 31 of this very thread..

There is a link in it, you can find so many excuses for the killing of Asmaa bint Marwan.

Kuna excuses lukuki..mojawapo iliyomuvusishwa na apologists 'wanyeneyekevu' eti Asmaa alikuwa ana-dispute ya copyright za mashairi na 'mtume'..Toba yailahi.

Ongezea excuses nyingine nyingi uwezavyo..

teh teh teh..
 
@ # 83..

Najua kwa nini unakimbia..

I confined the discussion on this practice of stoning in this very century of ours..The argument was very straight.

I asked you to confirm : Are you abiding to the laws of Allah (which include STONING TO DEATH OF 13 YEAR OLD --AISHA ..) or you are opposed to it?

Now look at what you displayed!!

Hysteria..
 
Prophetic Attitude Toward Women and Old Men in War

If we discuss the authentic Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (saw) regarding women or other stuff. No baseless or forged reports are allowed here; we have to display authentic reports only, not as mtindio did in his/her previous articles about Asma etc.

In brief, the authentic Sunnah of the Prophet (saw) prohibits the killing of women as wel as old people. Especially in war

Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jewish woman brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of God’s Apostle.

The Prophet (saw) refused to kill a woman who did intentionally try to poison him, but the Christian missionaries, by using a fabricated story, wants us to believe that he ordered the killing of a woman who only abused him verbally. (note: in Islam a women can only be put to death if she commited murder as crime, for murder is (both for men and women) death punishment in islam),

Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Messenger of God (peace be upon him) saw the corpse of a woman who had been slain in one of the raids, and he disapproved of it and forbade the killing of women and children.

Due to this prohibition, scholars of Abu Hanîfah’s madhâb (school of thought) have stated that apostate women are not to be killed because the Prophet (saw) forbade the killing of women, and since the prohibition is general it includes apostate women.

Even after the Prophet's demise, his Sunnah remain preserved by the Muslims:

Abu Bakr advised Yazid: "I advise you ten things: Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camel except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly."

Conclusion

[B]From an early date Muslim scholars recognized the danger of false testimony and hence false doctrine, and developed an elaborate science for criticizing tradition.[/B]

We have utilized their scientific methodology to expose the false narratives attributed to the Prophet(saw) about the alleged killing of Abu 'Afak and Asma' bint Marwan. Examination of the isnâd (i.e., chain of reports) has revealed the unreliability of both stories. Also, an examination of the matn (i.e., text) has revealed their inevitable contradiction with vigorously authentic traditions and established Islamic principles. 'Abdûr Rahmân I. Doi had stated that

As far as the Matn is concerned, the following principles of criticism of the Hadith are laid down:

(1) The Hadith should not be contrary to the text or the teaching of the Qur'an or the accepted basic principles of Islam.

(2) The Hadith should not be against the dictates of reason or laws of nature and common experience.

(3) The Hadith should not be contrary to the Traditions which have already been accepted by authorities as reliable and authentic by applying all principles.

(4) The Hadith which sings the praises and excellence of any tribe, place or persons should be generally rejected

(5) The Hadith that contains the dates and minute details of the future events should be rejected.

(6) The Hadith that contains some remarks of the Prophet which are not in keeping with the Islamic belief of Prophethood and the position of the Holy Prophet or such expressions as may not be suitable to him, should be rejected.


But critics may have an objection: if these stories are false, then why they are mentioned in Islamic references in the first place? In response, we have earlier shown the position of learned Muslim scholars toward these references in the biographies, whose authors used to relate hundreds of reports without checking them or relying on serious criticism.

These particular stories even proved their unscientific methodology because they are reported without isnâd at all. This is extremely irregular of any respectable scholar. Ibn Jarîr At-Tabârî (224-310 A.H.) in his encyclopedic book of history Tarikh Al-Umam wa Al-Mulûk did not give mention of these stories at all despite the fact that he had mentioned far less significant reports in his work.

Hence, based on the empirical evidence, we can therefore conclude that the so-called "killing" of Abu 'Afak and Asma' bint Marwan respectively are inherently false and had never happened. This certainly throws the spanner into the works of the missionary's conclusions, which is based upon nothing but hatred, paranoia and xenophobia towards the elect Apostle of God, Muhammad (saw).

And Allâh knows best.
 
@#86,

Thank you for showing us a WHITE ELEPHANT..

I don't think you understand the heart of this thread anyway..Labda nikurushie swali lililomshinda Muslimina aliyekuja kana kwamba analolijua halafu akaishia kuomba maji na kukimbia..


Do you agree with the Laws of Allah or Not..


Leo tunataka tujue watu tunaojadiliana nao hapa ni waislamu au zuga tu..


Was'alaam
 
X-paster, tafadhali sana, katika post yangu Na. 63 nimekuomba u-edit post yako Na. 8, hata Mods hawajaiona hii, please note and act immediately.
 
X-PASTER na Mtindiowaubongo, ninyi mnachepukia kwingine. Mnaongeza upana wa hii topic kitu ambacho hakihitajiki. Mabishano yenu hayataisha leo, and this is not good to your health. Kwa mtaji huu mnadhani mnatoa msaada?


Nawashauri mrejee post ya Kuhani hapa.




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X-PASTER na Mtindiowaubongo, ninyi mnachepukia kwingine. Mnaongeza upana wa hii topic kitu ambacho hakihitajiki. Mabishano yenu hayataisha leo, and this is not good to your health. Kwa mtaji huu mnadhani mnatoa msaada?


Nawashauri mrejee post ya Kuhani hapa.


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Mkuu,

Labda ni-re-iterate nilichozungumza hapa kwa kifupi:

1. Kuna hii ishu ya huyu binti wa miaka 13 kuuawa kikatili huko Somalia. Mengi yamesemwa kuwa ni unyama n.k. kitu ambacho mimi nakiafiki kuwa huu ni unyama wa hali ya juu.

2. Lakini, kwetu sisi waja kuishia kulaani tu bila kutaka kujua na kutatua kiini cha tatizo na matukio mengine mengi yanayofanana na haya ni kujidanganya, na kuahirisha tatizo. Kwa kifupi dhima yangu hapa ilikuwa kuonesha kuwa Islamic doctrine supports this acts, and the prophet of islam demonstrated these..

3. Na hicho ndicho nilichosema ktk postings zangu kadha wa kadha na kuonesha mzizi ulipo..Nasikitika kama sijaeleweka au nimefanya makosa kujuza ummah kuhusu haya. Lakini ukweli unabaki palepale kuwa stoning to death of culprits and allegedy culprits is supportive in Islam. This is part of laws of Allah (Godhead of Islam), and something needs to be done ..


Was'aalam.


Abdulhaleem al Masih
 
Jamani,
lol watu hawa utumbo ulijinyoga niliposoma habari hii.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol nikisema nitaharibu hapa nani hakika, asante wenzangu kwa kunisemea,
ndo tunapotaka kwenda huku?

a girl raped is stoned and the men(watatu) who rapped her are the celebs au amongs the stone throwers??????
HII KALIII!!!!!
the funniest thing is hata nilkiwauliza waislamu nilionao karibu hawako tayari kufuata sharia.
QUESTION: sasa ni nani hasa mwenye hamu na hili jamani mbona hajitokeze tuka muuliza utamu wake?????
 
Hiyo ni sharia law. Ni sharia ambayo waislamu na wa Wazanzibari wanataka kuileta Tanzania. Jino kwa jino, upanga kwa upanga, mkono wa kulia ukitumika kuiba basi ukatwe mara moja nk.

Kwa upande wangu sioni umuhimu wa kuleta sharia law katika Tanzania ya leo. Sharia law ilikuwa inatumika zamani sana kutokana na mazingira yaliyokuepo, kama vile kukosekana kwa mahakama, polisi nk.

Kuna sheria ambazo kwa kweli zimepitwa na wakati na wala hazipaswi kutumika tena kipindi hiki. kwa mfano enzi za zamani chief akifariki basi anazikwa/anafukiwa na mtu mzima, lakini kwa sasa hatuna sheria kama hizo tokana na mazingira yaliyokuwepo.
 
Mahakama zingione kwakweli sizo kabisa yaani mtu kubakwa tena unyongwe.

Inauma sana.
 
Mungu Yehova ndiye Mungu wa Kweli Mungu wa Milele katika Jina la Yesu.
Wote tumetenda dhambi na kupungukiwa na utukufu wa Mungu.
Tukisema hatuna dhambi tunajidanganya na kweli haimo ndani mwetu.

"Nami nikatafuta mtu miongoni mwao, atakayelitengeneza boma, na kusimama mbele zangu mahali palipobomoka, kwa ajili ya nchi, nisije nikaiharibu lakini sikuona mtu" (Asema Yehova).
 
Nziku said:
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Tafadhali nifahamishe kile unacho taka ni-edit, kama nikiona kinafaa kusahihishwa naweza kufanza hivyo. Na ni kwa mtizamo wangu si vile unavyotaka wewe.

Natumaini utakuwa umenielewa mkuu.

X-Paster
 
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Tafadhali nifahamishe kile unacho taka ni-edit, kama nikiona kinafaa kusahihishwa naweza kufanza hivyo. Na ni kwa mtizamo wangu si vile unavyotaka wewe.

Natumaini utakuwa umenielewa mkuu.

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Mkuu X-Paster
Rejea post #8 na rejea maneno haya:
Who are al-Shabab militia anyway! Hiki ni kikundi tu kinacho jichukulia madaraka mikononi.

Mie natumai hilo neno lenye rangi nyekundu lilitakiwa liandikwe kama nilivyo andika mimi yaani kikundi na sivyo kama ulivyoandika wewe.

Kama unasisitiza kuwa ulivyoliandika lipo sawa, basi tujue kuwa unatukana.
 
LazyDog said:
X-PASTER na Mtindiowaubongo, ninyi mnachepukia kwingine. Mnaongeza upana wa hii topic kitu ambacho hakihitajiki. Mabishano yenu hayataisha leo, and this is not good to your health. Kwa mtaji huu mnadhani mnatoa msaada?


Nawashauri mrejee post ya Kuhani hapa.

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Nashukuru ndugu yangu kwa nasaha zako, ila kumbuka mjadala huu ni kuhusu bint aliye bakwa na kuhukumiwa kimakosa kule Somalia, na hii kwa mujibu wa hao watetezi wake. Mimi na wewe hatukuwepo ila tupo hapa kujadili tulicho kisoma toka kwa yule aliye leta habari hii.

Kuna watu wanataka kuchukulia suala hili ndio Uislam, tafadhali soma majibu yangu ya kwanza kabisa kuhusihana na kadhia hii, kiasi kuna mchangiaji mmoja amenitaka nibadilishe, ila sijui anataka nibadilishe kitu gani.

Ukiwasoma hao wachangiaji wengine waliotangulia utaona kwa huwazi kabisa wameamua kuonyesha chuki zao za dhahiri dhidi za Uislam, kiasi wengine wamekurupuka na kutuletea hadith za uongo ili kutilia mkazo huo uongo wao. Lakini Alhamdulillah, siku zote uongo si wenye kudumu.

Ni sawa sawa kwa mtu kuja na issue ya wanajeshi wa Kikristo (USA) walioko kule Iraq, wanauwa watoto, wanawake na kuharibu miundo mbinu. Wengine wanabaka wanawake, lakini hatujasikia hata mkristo mmoja kupinga na wala hamjasikia Muislam hata mmoja anasema kuwa ule ndio Ukristo.

Suala lolote baya likifanywa na mtu mwenze jina linaloonekana kuwa ni la kiislam basi utatukanwa Uislam wote. Ila suala lolote baya likifanywa na mkristu basi hatuoni ukristo ukitukwana zaidi ya kulaumiwa mtendaji husika.
Vipi hapa?

Je tukitukanwa mnataka tusijibu?

Tatizo lenu huwa hamuangalii nani kaanza, siku zote mnasubiri Waislam wakijibu mashambulizi ndio manakuja na hoja kuwa tunakuza mijadala.

Nasema hivi Waislam tupo na tutaendelea kuwepo mpaka kieleweke. Japokuwa wengine wataona kuwa x-paster wakati mwingine anatumia kauli kali, lakini kuna wale kichwa ngumu, wasiotaka kuelewa. Wanapoanza kuvunja heshima za watu usipowarejeshea wanona ndio wamepata punching bag. Ukinyamaza kwa kuona kuwa kinacho ongelewa ni upuuzi watakuchokoza ili nawe useme... Tutasema... na tutaendelea kuelimisha. Mwenye akili ilio tengemaa ataelewa kwa wale zilizo teketeke ataendelea kubishana.

Nakutakia siku njema

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@#97

Ndg naona unaji-engage in logical fallacies..Nimeona umejaribu wewe na yule mwenzako ktk kuelekea maangamizi ,kuleta mambo yaliyokuwa narrated kwenye Old Testament na kuyafanya premises ktk hii thread..It takes a fool eye NOT to see you guys are defeated. Your misconception about Ahl al Khitab have nothing to do with this thread..!! Learn some logic..

Naomba usome hoja nilizoleta kwenye my previous post..My summary of argument is simple, straight, confined and precise..Nimekuuliza hivi: Shariah are the Laws of Allah or Not..If Yes do you want to substitute them with BETTER ONES (and become kuffar)?..Then, you have chickened-out..

Hizi hoja zako nyingine ni kujaribu ku-play victim kuwa uislamu umetukanwa, nioneshe wapi? wakti waelewa fika waislamu wenzako ndo mafashisti wa kutesana na kuua wenzao na wengine wasio waislamu..kwa kisingizio cha dini.

Kuwa rafiki wa maarifa tafadhali.


Abdulhaleem al Masih
 
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@#96,

Mkuu LM,

Jamaa bado hajakuelewa tu..naona bado yupo agitated baada ya kupewa ukweli wake..

Ukweli mchungu japo ni tiba..


Be blessed.
 
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