Sababu zilohalalisha Sudan Kusini na kuharamisha Somalia kujiunga na EAC

[Baraghash]

Sharti la msingi katika mengi,la kujiunga na EAC ni Utawala bora na kuheshimu haki za binadamu.

South Sudan, baada kukosa sifa za msingi, alikubaliwa kujiunga na EAC baada ya ushawishi mkali kutoka kwa waasisi na hasa Tanzania iliopelekea kufumbiwa macho masharti mengi kwa ahadi kuwa hayo masharti yatatekelezwa hatua kwa hatua.

Somalia ambayo inasafiri bahari moja ila kwenye vyombo tofauti tu, maombi yake yalitupiliwa mbali hasa kutokana na shinikizo kutoka Kenya na Uganda. Kikwete alizidiwa nguvu(?)na kusalim amri.

Wachunguzi wa mambo wakiyatafakari na kuyaweka kwenye mizani, wanaona kuwa sababu zinzotolewa za kuminywa kwa Somalia kuwa mwanachama ni nyepesi mno. Wachunguzi wanafikiria kumpa uanachama Somalia ungeweza hata kupunguza uhasama na jirani yake Kenya ambayo ina raia wengi wenye asili ya Somalia. Lakini sababu kuu ni inayowanyima Somalia kupata uanachama ni Udini. Hili jambo ni baya sana na tena la aibu.

Inanikumbusha pia Serikali ya Tanzania inapowawekea mikwamo wakati Zanzibar inapotaka kuwa mwanachama halisi wa kujitegemea,bila ya kubaki kwenye kwapa ya Tanzania.

Serikali ya Zanzibar inahoji kuwa ilikuwa mwanzilishi wa EAC iliovunjika (?) na iliendelea kuwa hivyo ndani ya muungano na kulikuwa hakuna tatizo lolote.Iweje leo iwe tatizo? mbona Zanzibar inabaki kuwa mwanachama anayojitegemea wa "EA Challenge Cup ( Kagame)"

Zanzibar ilidai haki hiyo kutokana na ukweli kuwa mambo mengi yasiokuwa ya muungano yana jadiliwa ndani ya EAC, hivyo haipati uwakilishi stahiki. Kumbe kubanwa kule ni sawa na Somali na kwa sababu ambazo zinalingana?

Kwa vile South Sudan imeshindwa kabisa kutimiza masharti ya kuwa mwanachama, hatuoni sasa umefika wakati muafaka wa kuisimamisha uanachama mpaka hapo itakapoweza kutimiza masharti kikamilifu.

Tanzania ina nafasi kubwa ya kuzishawishi wanachama wengine, hasa tukitilia maanani kuwa Mwenyekiti wa EAC wakati huu ni Tanzania.

 

[Al Watani]

Gentleman; you are trying to justify a valid claim by using invalid propositions which makes whole of your arguments scandalous and vulnerable to crumble as they lack legs to stand on.
it seems you know nothing of the East African Community Treaty and if you Know it, You are intentionally biased of the membership of Southern Sudan or maybe because of your religious affiliation it makes you think so.

There is no single Article in the treaty that makes religion a ground for admission or denial for admission, this is of your own creation which the legal scholars of the EAC know nothing of its existence. can you give us a detailed account of it?

Back to the Zanzibar saga is Zanzibar a sovereign state capable of entering into International relations with other legal entities in accordance with the Montevideo convention of 1933? do you know the constitution of the United Republic of Tanzania? is zanzibar denied of membership because of its religious affiliations? are there no muslims in other EAC partner states?
To my view you need to go back to school to get because it seems you went to school but you did not learn.
Go back read the treaty in its entirety not just its parts that you are interested. you must know the law not the section.
otherwise stop your Shenanigans and mind your own business

 

[msafwa93]

I wont comment..
Hawakawii kuizingira nyumba yako..

 

[Snipper]

Sharti la msingi katika mengi,la kujiunga na EAC ni Utawala bora na kuheshimu haki za binadamu.

South Sudan, baada kukosa sifa za msingi, alikubaliwa kujiunga na EAC baada ya ushawishi mkali kutoka kwa waasisi na hasa Tanzania iliopelekea kufumbiwa macho masharti mengi kwa ahadi kuwa hayo masharti yatatekelezwa hatua kwa hatua.

Somalia ambayo inasafiri bahari moja ila kwenye vyombo tofauti tu, maombi yake yalitupiliwa mbali hasa kutokana na shinikizo kutoka Kenya na Uganda. Kikwete alizidiwa nguvu(?)na kusalim amri.

Wachunguzi wa mambo wakiyatafakari na kuyaweka kwenye mizani, wanaona kuwa sababu zinzotolewa za kuminywa kwa Somalia kuwa mwanachama ni nyepesi mno. Wachunguzi wanafikiria kumpa uanachama Somalia ungeweza hata kupunguza uhasama na jirani yake Kenya ambayo ina raia wengi wenye asili ya Somalia. Lakini sababu kuu ni inayowanyima Somalia kupata uanachama ni Udini. Hili jambo ni baya sana na tena la aibu.

Inanikumbusha pia Serikali ya Tanzania inapowawekea mikwamo wakati Zanzibar inapotaka kuwa mwanachama halisi wa kujitegemea,bila ya kubaki kwenye kwapa ya Tanzania.

Serikali ya Zanzibar inahoji kuwa ilikuwa mwanzilishi wa EAC iliovunjika (?) na iliendelea kuwa hivyo ndani ya muungano na kulikuwa hakuna tatizo lolote.Iweje leo iwe tatizo? mbona Zanzibar inabaki kuwa mwanachama anayojitegemea wa "EA Challenge Cup ( Kagame)"

Zanzibar ilidai haki hiyo kutokana na ukweli kuwa mambo mengi yasiokuwa ya muungano yana jadiliwa ndani ya EAC, hivyo haipati uwakilishi stahiki. Kumbe kubanwa kule ni sawa na Somali na kwa sababu ambazo zinalingana?

Kwa vile South Sudan imeshindwa kabisa kutimiza masharti ya kuwa mwanachama, hatuoni sasa umefika wakati muafaka wa kuisimamisha uanachama mpaka hapo itakapoweza kutimiza masharti kikamilifu.

Tanzania ina nafasi kubwa ya kuzishawishi wanachama wengine, hasa tukitilia maanani kuwa Mwenyekiti wa EAC wakati huu ni Tanzania.

Wewe unaona kwa hali ya sasa ya Somalia ni rahisi na sahihi kuwaingiza kwenye jumuiya ya Africa mashariki? Hata layman tu ambaye hajui mambo ya international treaties hawezi kukuunga mkono. Jenga hoja upya lakini hapo bado hujashawishi mtu.

 

[Ufipa-Kinondoni]

Kwa hiyo Kikwete alikuwa mdini na kuacha msingi ya mkataba wa EAC?

Sharti la msingi katika mengi,la kujiunga na EAC ni Utawala bora na kuheshimu haki za binadamu.

South Sudan, baada kukosa sifa za msingi, alikubaliwa kujiunga na EAC baada ya ushawishi mkali kutoka kwa waasisi na hasa Tanzania iliopelekea kufumbiwa macho masharti mengi kwa ahadi kuwa hayo masharti yatatekelezwa hatua kwa hatua.

Somalia ambayo inasafiri bahari moja ila kwenye vyombo tofauti tu, maombi yake yalitupiliwa mbali hasa kutokana na shinikizo kutoka Kenya na Uganda. Kikwete alizidiwa nguvu(?)na kusalim amri.

Wachunguzi wa mambo wakiyatafakari na kuyaweka kwenye mizani, wanaona kuwa sababu zinzotolewa za kuminywa kwa Somalia kuwa mwanachama ni nyepesi mno. Wachunguzi wanafikiria kumpa uanachama Somalia ungeweza hata kupunguza uhasama na jirani yake Kenya ambayo ina raia wengi wenye asili ya Somalia. Lakini sababu kuu ni inayowanyima Somalia kupata uanachama ni Udini. Hili jambo ni baya sana na tena la aibu.

Inanikumbusha pia Serikali ya Tanzania inapowawekea mikwamo wakati Zanzibar inapotaka kuwa mwanachama halisi wa kujitegemea,bila ya kubaki kwenye kwapa ya Tanzania.

Serikali ya Zanzibar inahoji kuwa ilikuwa mwanzilishi wa EAC iliovunjika (?) na iliendelea kuwa hivyo ndani ya muungano na kulikuwa hakuna tatizo lolote.Iweje leo iwe tatizo? mbona Zanzibar inabaki kuwa mwanachama anayojitegemea wa "EA Challenge Cup ( Kagame)"

Zanzibar ilidai haki hiyo kutokana na ukweli kuwa mambo mengi yasiokuwa ya muungano yana jadiliwa ndani ya EAC, hivyo haipati uwakilishi stahiki. Kumbe kubanwa kule ni sawa na Somali na kwa sababu ambazo zinalingana?

Kwa vile South Sudan imeshindwa kabisa kutimiza masharti ya kuwa mwanachama, hatuoni sasa umefika wakati muafaka wa kuisimamisha uanachama mpaka hapo itakapoweza kutimiza masharti kikamilifu.

Tanzania ina nafasi kubwa ya kuzishawishi wanachama wengine, hasa tukitilia maanani kuwa Mwenyekiti wa EAC wakati huu ni Tanzania.

 

[Invisble275]

Gentleman; you are trying to justify a valid claim by using invalid propositions which makes whole of your arguments scandalous and vulnerable to crumble as they lack legs to stand on.
it seems you know nothing of the East African Community Treaty and if you Know it, You are intentionally biased of the membership of Southern Sudan or maybe because of your religious affiliation it makes you think so.

There is no single Article in the treaty that makes religion a ground for admission or denial for admission, this is of your own creation which the legal scholars of the EAC know nothing of its existence. can you give us a detailed account of it?

Back to the Zanzibar saga is Zanzibar a sovereign state capable of entering into International relations with other legal entities in accordance with the Montevideo convention of 1933? do you know the constitution of the United Republic of Tanzania? is zanzibar denied of membership because of its religious affiliations? are there no muslims in other EAC partner states?
To my view you need to go back to school to get because it seems you went to school but you did not learn.
Go back read the treaty in its entirety not just its parts that you are interested. you must know the law not the section.
otherwise stop your Shenanigans and mind your own business

Every time I read Baraghash's posts, I get irritated. Most of his posts are filled of conspiracy theories. He had never written any post without touch his/her religion affiliation. A lot of condemnations on how Tanzanian government marginalize the Muslim community. I'm even not supersized to read his new conspiracy theories today. I never understand why this guy is so insecure and filled with inferiority complex? I even urge his understanding of African politics and history.

 

[imhotep]

South sudan iko stable kidogo kuliko somalia. Migogoro ya somalia inaweza kuspill over na kusambaratisha jumuiya hii. Burundi tu inatutoa kamasi.

 

[Mazindu Msambule]

Bado naendelea kufanya homework yangu, homework yenyewe ni hi; "Wapi nitampata Muislam asiye lalamika kwamba anaonewa kwasababu ye ni mwislamu"
Najipa muda wa kumaliza hi kitu ndani ya mwaka hu.

 

[imhotep]

Bado naendelea kufanya homework yangu, homework yenyewe ni hi; "Wapi nitampata Muislam asiye lalamika kwamba anaonewa kwasababu ye ni mwislamu"
Najipa muda wa kumaliza hi kitu ndani ya mwaka hu.

Ngoja tuone "research" yako ya pumba itakuja na shehena ya TANI ngapi.

 

[Tanzania Njema Yaja]

Uisalam na waislam hapa sio kweli..... kuwaruhusu Somalia kuwa member wa EA ni kukumbatia bomu mkononi mwako..... hata EA community yote wangekuwa waislam wasingekubali Somalia awe member as of now...

 

[Al Watani]

Every time I read Baraghash's posts, I get irritated. Most of his posts are filled of conspiracy theories. He had never written any post without touch his/her religion affiliation. A lot of condemnations on how Tanzanian government marginalize the Muslim community. I'm even not supersized to read his new conspiracy theories today. I never understand why this guy is so insecure and filled with inferiority complex? I even urge his understanding of African politics and history.

I can see what he coverts, reading his comments you will find the insecurity in him that exposes his religious extremism.

 

[imhotep]

Uisalam na waislam hapa sio kweli..... kuwaruhusu Somalia kuwa member wa EA ni kukumbatia bomu mkononi mwako..... hata EA community yote wangekuwa waislam wasingekubali Somalia awe member as of now...

Lakini kuna kale kasomaliland kale kametulia.

 

[ELI-91]

if you realy want zanzibar's independence you should know it won't come from complaining and blubbing on social medias. i respect your opinion, and i've learnt to see things from other people's point of view. so i realy dont mind if Zanzibarians want their feedom and identity, but they should know that it won't come the easy way.. be ready to pay the price. stop crying every day.. and start building a masterplan, it will take time but if you put your mind and not your emotions on it, you will finally earn it!!

 

[kibaravumba]

Hawa wasomali nawashangaa,wote ni waislam,nchi haina utajiri wowote!Hakuna mtu mwenye interest na hiyo nchi yao,lakini bado wanapigana na kuuana ovyo!Hawa jamaa mbona wanaonekana tu kama watu wema ukikaa nao?Ni nini kinawafanya wawe na roho mbaya hivyo wao kwa wao?

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[Makuta]

Ngoja tuone "research" yako ya pumba itakuja na shehena ya TANI ngapi.

Wee jamaa bwana! mwenzako anafanya home work wee unasubiri uone kama atakuja na shehena ya tani ngapi za pumba,duh! umeniacha hoi sana.

 

[Hoshea]

huyu original poster nampata,aliletaga post akilaumu mauaji ya msikitini mwanza kwamba yalifanywa na kafiri, ikafutwa. Huyu si mtz huyu na hatakii nchi mema

 

[imhotep]

huyu original poster nampata,aliletaga post akilaumu mauaji ya msikitini mwanza kwamba yalifanywa na kafiri, ikafutwa. Huyu si mtz huyu na hatakii nchi mema

Huyu barghash ni mswahili original, lugha anaijua "fasaha" kabisa, utanzania wake hauna shaka kabisa.

 

[imhotep]

Hawa wasomali nawashangaa,wote ni waislam,nchi haina utajiri wowote!Hakuna mtu mwenye interest na hiyo nchi yao,lakini bado wanapigana na kuuana ovyo!Hawa jamaa mbona wanaonekana tu kama watu wema ukikaa nao?Ni nini kinawafanya wawe na roho mbaya hivyo wao kwa wao?

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Hata mimi nawashangaa!.lakini kweni vita lazima iwe ya DINI mbona burundi hauwashangai.

 

[Baraghash]

Gentleman; you are trying to justify a valid claim by using invalid propositions which makes whole of your arguments scandalous and vulnerable to crumble as they lack legs to stand on.
it seems you know nothing of the East African Community Treaty and if you Know it, You are intentionally biased of the membership of Southern Sudan or maybe because of your religious affiliation it makes you think so.

There is no single Article in the treaty that makes religion a ground for admission or denial for admission, this is of your own creation which the legal scholars of the EAC know nothing of its existence. can you give us a detailed account of it?

Back to the Zanzibar saga is Zanzibar a sovereign state capable of entering into International relations with other legal entities in accordance with the Montevideo convention of 1933? do you know the constitution of the United Republic of Tanzania? is zanzibar denied of membership because of its religious affiliations? are there no muslims in other EAC partner states?
To my view you need to go back to school to get because it seems you went to school but you did not learn.
Go back read the treaty in its entirety not just its parts that you are interested. you must know the law not the section.
otherwise stop your Shenanigans and mind your own business

Mr. Gentleman,

It becomes visible that Kiswahili is a foreign language to you. It also appears that you have a tremendous difficulty in understanding written Swahili. I pity you,evening tuition on Kiswahili classes can be of good help.

In my thread I just stated out crystal clear that the basic conditions needed to be granted membership is good governance and human rights and I quote " Sharti la msingi katika mengi,la kujiunga na EAC ni Utawala bora na kuheshimu haki za binadamu" end qoute

Literal translation of the above quote and according to paragraph 4 of the Article 3 of EAC treaty " the matters to be taken into account by the Partner States in considering the application by a foreign country to become a member of, be associated with, or participate in any of the activities of the Community, shall include that foreign country’s: adherence to universally acceptable principles of good governance, democracy, the rule of law, observance of human rights and social justice;" So Please do not put your grubby words in my mouth to suit your fertile imagination.

A point what I wanted to build is that South Sudan and Somali are all rocking in the same boat of violence and conflicts. But apparently and more interesting is that South Sudan was rated the most dangerous country compared to Somalia according to the latest Global Peace Index (GPI) report from the Institute for Economics and Peace. So what is the binding criteria(?)needed or left for Somalia to be consolidated in the EAC Family

In case of Zanzibar there is nothing of substance you have commented apart of mingling with bongo fleva words!

The greatest enemy of your knowledge,Mr Gentleman,is not my ignorance, it is the illusion of your knowledge

 

[Baraghash]

Wewe unaona kwa hali ya sasa ya Somalia ni rahisi na sahihi kuwaingiza kwenye jumuiya ya Africa mashariki? Hata layman tu ambaye hajui mambo ya international treaties hawezi kukuunga mkono. Jenga hoja upya lakini hapo bado hujashawishi mtu.

Sipendi kushawishi watu waamini nitakavyo lakini napenda kuwaelewesha watu alau wapanguse tongo za macho wayajue yaliowazunguka. Kwa mujibu wa taarifa ya hivi karibuni iliotolewa na Global Peace Index (GPI) ya the Institute for Economics and Peace hivi ndivyo walivyozipanga nchi hatari zaidi duniani

• 6. Yemen
• 5. Somalia
• 4. Afghanistan
• 3. Iraq
• 2. South Sudan
• 1. Syria

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