Poll: Muammar Gaddafi Vs Nelson Mandela? Nani Shujaa/mwamba Wa Afrika?

Muammar Gaddafi vs Nelson Mandela? Nani shujaa/mwamba wa Afrika?

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byeyombo said:
hiyo vita si mlikuwa mnatumika tu na mabeberu...idd amin alikuwa mzalendo!!
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..hapana.

..hata silaha mabeberu wa Uingereza walikataa kutuuzia.

..msaada wa nje tulioupata ulitoka Algeria, walituletea meli ya silaha.

..na Msumbiji walituma kikosi cha askari kuja kutusaidia.

..kuna taarifa Zambia walitusaidia lakini sina uthibitisho wa hilo.

..Mabeberu walitamani tushindwe ili tusiweze kusaidia ktk vita vya ukombozi kusini mwa Afrika.
 
JokaKuu said:
..hapana.

..hata silaha mabeberu wa Uingereza walikataa kutuuzia.

..msaada wa nje tulioupata ulitoka Algeria, walituletea meli ya silaha.

..na Msumbiji walituma kikosi cha askari kuja kutusaidia.

..kuna taarifa Zambia walitusaidia lakini sina uthibitisho wa hilo.

..Mabeberu walitamani tushindwe ili tusiweze kusaidia ktk vita vya ukombozi kusini mwa Afrika.
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Not true mkuu, kafungue upya makabrasha...nyerere alitumika tu!!..propaganda za miaka ya sabini hazifanyi tena kazi sasa, watu wamezinduka!
 
byeyombo said:
Not true mkuu, kafungue upya makabrasha...nyerere alitumika tu!!..propaganda za miaka ya sabini hazifanyi tena kazi sasa, watu wamezinduka!
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..ukweli ndio huo niliokwambia.

..Mabeberu walitamani tushindwe vita ile.

..walitishika na ushindi wa Frelimo dhidi ya mabeberu na wakoloni wa Kireno.

..na Frelimo walipigana wakitokea ktk makambi yao yaliyokuwa Tanzania.

NB:

..kwani Iddi Amin alifanya jambo gani kwa Waafrika mpaka umuone wa maana?
 
Infantry Soldier said:
Kwa uonavyo wewe kati ya colonel Muammar Gaddafi au Nelson Mandela (Tata Madiba) nani shujaa/mwamba wa Afrika?

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Ninaomba tusimuongelee mwalimu Nyerere kwa maana yeye nafasi yake kwa Afrika haina mpinzani.
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Gaddafi gani? Yule aliyesaidia Nduli Idi Amin Dada kuvamia nchi yetu Tanzania mnamo 1978/1979?
Gaddafi gani? Yule aliye mastermind mauaji na kuteketeza roho za abiria 270 wasiokuwa na hatia waliokuwa ktk ndege ya PAN AM 103 mnamo mwaka 1988 kunako Lockerbie?
Sema, Gaddafi gani?
 
charles177 said:
I think both they have made great contribution to Africa and also some mistakes. Gadaffi did achieve a lot for example allowing plenty of Africans to live and work in Libya. Over 2,000,000 Africans were working there during his time as President, but he did wrong in other instances for examples when he started to mix religion with politics and also supporting people like Charles Taylor in Liberia, Idi Amin in Uganda Against Uganda people wishes, destabilize Sierra Leone and trying to topple Chadian, Malian Sierra Leone and Sudanese Government which have created instability which still persist today.

He supported Janjaweed group who were killing dark skin people just because they were dark in Darfur while at the same time he was supporting South Sudan because he didn't like Sudanese Government. It would be great if he would stick with socialist and Pan African ideas from start to finish.

Mandela did great things for South Africa and Africa. You got to understand South African were super power in economics and military terms in Africa, it was absolutely necessary to get rid of them in order to rediscover African Manhood, prestige and confidence. Because they could destabilize any country in Africa.

And Mandela did that during his youth, starting youth wings of ANC, he went on campaign of bombing Apartheid infrastructure in South Africa until he was captured and convicted. He realise early on that talk alone will not work. Then he change while in prison. I guess you can say in his youth he was like Malcolm X and in later life he was like Martin Luther kings Jr. Both of his personalities have their place in the struggle.

I just think he should have done more when he came out of prison like build more houses for the poor, provide education, creating more jobs for people who have suffered for so long. Transfer some of the wealth from minority to majority. He fails in that regards to fulfill promise of freedom to the poor and disposed.

In the final analysis they both did some very good things and fall short in other things.
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Copy & Paste!
Bora hata ungetumia muda wako kufanya tafsiri kwa Kiswahili, angalau ungeonekana wa maana.
 
JokaKuu said:
..hapana.

..hata silaha mabeberu wa Uingereza walikataa kutuuzia.

..msaada wa nje tulioupata ulitoka Algeria, walituletea meli ya silaha.

..na Msumbiji walituma kikosi cha askari kuja kutusaidia.

..kuna taarifa Zambia walitusaidia lakini sina uthibitisho wa hilo.

..Mabeberu walitamani tushindwe ili tusiweze kusaidia ktk vita vya ukombozi kusini mwa Afrika.
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Tetesi za Zambia kutusaidia zipo , kumbuka sisi pia tuliwasaidia sana Zambia mwaka 1967 wakati wamewekewa vikwazo vya kununua mafuta na kusafirisha copper, (south Rhodesia), Zambia walikuwa wanasafirisha copper kwenye Ndege kuleta Dar , na wakawa wanarudi na mapipa ya mafuta kutoka hapa infact Zambia ndio walisaidia ujenzi wa Airport ya Mtwara maana walitaka watumie bandari ya Mtwara kusafirisha copper yao, vikwazo vilipoondolewa ndo na mradi ukafia hapo
 
Infantry Soldier said:
Mkuu, hii inaitwa tit-for-tat. Umemuuliza swali zuri sana bro.
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Lazima aje atuambie sio kutoa maneno ya kijiweni tu kama tunashangilia mechi ya lipuli na pamba.

Kwa Afrika na ukubwa wake ..kuna mafanikio ya wazi unaweza kuyaona au kuyasikia yanayohusiana na Ghadaffi ... Kuanzia west Afrika mpaka East.. Birth to south.

Ukiachilia diplomasia ya ukipigwa shavu la kushoto geuza la kulia ..Mzee Madiba alifanya nn!? Xenophobia na Ubaguzi wa wao kwa wao unaoendelea leo ni zao la incompetent leadership..

Wazungu walitaka kugeuza focus ya waafrika kucelebrate our true successful leaders(heros) kwa kumfanya Mandela kuwa Hero.. mzungumzaji na si Mtendaji... Asijetaka confrontation ..Nani atakupa heshima!? Heshima toka kwa aliyekudharau akakutukana, akadhulumu akakuibia hauiombi ..Unaichukua..

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Infantry Soldier said:
Kwa uonavyo wewe kati ya colonel Muammar Gaddafi au Nelson Mandela (Tata Madiba) nani shujaa/mwamba wa Afrika?

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Ninaomba tusimuongelee mwalimu Nyerere kwa maana yeye nafasi yake kwa Afrika haina mpinzani.
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Gaddafi is best in africa huwezi kumfananisha na mandela hata kidogo.

mandela kawahakikishia wazungu kuwa maslahi yao yataendelea kuwa salama( kawauza watu wake) huku yeye na familia yake wakihakikishiwa neema.mandela hata nyerere hamfikii.

Gaddafi ni mpambaji wa kweli aliyesimamia maslahi ya watu wake na waafrika wengine kadri awezavyo na alikua na mapenzi ya kweli na africa na waafrica, na alionesha wazi kukerwa na unyonyaji wa westerners kwa bara la africa. Ukiona westerners wana mpamba sana muafrika hujue huyo kuna mahali wana msalahi nae. R.i.p son of africa.
 
Gadafi next level.
Umaarufu wa Mandela umetokana na kupigiwa debe na wazungu baada ya kuwakumbatia.





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