Nyaraka inayothibitisha kwa Mangi Marealle alimuunga mkono Julius Nyerere UN hii hapa. Uongo kwamba Marealle alipinga uhuru ni kwa maslahi ya nani?

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At the invitation of the President, Mr. Fletcher-Cooke, special representative of the Administering
Authority for the Trust Territory of Tanganyika, Marealle II, Paramount Chief of the Chaggas, and Mr. Julius K. Nyerere, President of the Tanganyika African National Union, took places at the Council table.


HEARING OF PETITIONERS (concluded)

1. Mr. RIFAI (Syria) asked Mr. Nyerere whether
he had referred to the United Tanganyika Party
(DTP) as a pro-Government party simply because it
supported the Government and its policies or because
he thought that the Government financed the Party
or encouraged the inhabitants to join it.
2. Mr. NYERERE (Tanganyika African National Union) replied that although the UTP did not receive
financial help from the Government it had originally ?een formed by members of the Legislative Council, It supported the Government's policy of multiracialism
and it was opposed to the principles for which the
Tanganyika African National Union (TANU) stood.
Furthermore, the attitude of the Government had given
many Tanganyikans the impression that it favoured
the UTP more than it did TANU. He himself had
heard of many cases in which district officers had held
meetings for the purpose of attacking T ANU and
recommending Tanganyikans to join the UTP. More-over, chiefs could join the UTP without being harassed
by government officials, whereas chiefs who join or favoured T ANU were afraid to make their sym-pathies known.

11. Mr. RIFAI (Syria) asked Chief Marealle II if
there were members of both parties in the area under
his control and if so what was the proportion of membership in each.
12. Chief MAREALLE II replied that T ANU had
members in his area but that he did not know of any UTP members there.

13. Mr. KIANG (China) asked Chief Marealle II
what had been his reaction to Mr. Nyerere's suggestion
that African representation in the Legislative Council should be increased to 5O per cent.
14. Chief MAREALLE II replied that he did not
think it would be asking too much to suggest that
Africans should occupy half the seats as soon as the
necessary administrative arrangements could be made

21. Mr. LALL (India) asked Chief Marealle II
whether he and his fellow chiefs had had meetings
with representatives of any other parties besides the UTP and whether they had felt that any of those parties
more nearly represented the aspirations of the Tanga-nyikan people.
22. Chief MAREALLE II replied that he did not
know whether other parties had had similar meetings
with chiefs elsewhere in Tanganyika. The meeting to
which he had referred had given him and his advisers
the impression that while the UTP was inspired by
high ideals it did not truly represent African aspirations
and even seemed to fear majority rule, which would
in effect be democratic rule. It was the hope of the Chagga people that Tanganyika would eventually have
a government in which Africans would be in the majo· , rity, an aspiration which the UTP representatives had not seemed to share.

23. Mr. LALL (India) asked whether in the event
of a distinct Tanganyikan citizenship being established
Tanganyikan Africans would be willing to give equal
rights of citizenship to Asians and Europeans residing
in the country. If so, it was surely conceivable that
the question of rule by a particular racial group would
disappear.
24. Chief MAREALLE II said that in that event it
would be immaterial to what race the leaders of the
country belonged and the principle of rule by majority
would be followed. It was not yet possible to disregard
entirely the question of the racial composition o~ Tan· ganyika society but it was to be hoped that wtth the
passage of time the members of all communities woul.d
shed their prejudices and cease to be conscious of thetr
racial differences.

25. Mr. NYERERE (Tanganyika African National
Union) agreed that if Tanganyikan citizenship were
eventually established with equal rights for all citizens
the racial origin of the country's leaders would be of
no importance.

Marealle II, Paramount Chief of the Chagga's, and Mr. Julius K. Nyerere, President of the Tanganyika
African National Union, withdrew.


cc Mohamed Said, Pascal Mayalla, Nguruvi3, johnthebaptist, MALCOM LUMUMBA, Mzee Mwanakijiji
 
Machifu wangejua jinsi Nyerere alivyoenda kujipa madaraka makubwa na kuongoza kifalme sidhani kama wangemuunga mkono kwenye harakati zake za kupigania uhuru.
 
At the invitation of the President, Mr. Fletcher-Cooke, special representative of the Administering
Authority for the Trust Territory of Tanganyika, Marealle II, Paramount Chief of the Chaggas, and Mr. Julius K. Nyerere, President of the Tanganyika African National Union, took places at the Council table.


HEARING OF PETITIONERS (concluded)

1. Mr. RIFAI (Syria) asked Mr. Nyerere whether
he had referred to the United Tanganyika Party
(DTP) as a pro-Government party simply because it
supported the Government and its policies or because
he thought that the Government financed the Party
or encouraged the inhabitants to join it.
2. Mr. NYERERE (Tanganyika African National Union) replied that although the UTP did not receive
financial help from the Government it had originally ?een formed by members of the Legislative Council, It supported the Government's policy of multiracialism
and it was opposed to the principles for which the
Tanganyika African National Union (TANU) stood.
Furthermore, the attitude of the Government had given
many Tanganyikans the impression that it favoured
the UTP more than it did TANU. He himself had
heard of many cases in which district officers had held
meetings for the purpose of attacking T ANU and
recommending Tanganyikans to join the UTP. More-over, chiefs could join the UTP without being harassed
by government officials, whereas chiefs who join or favoured T ANU were afraid to make their sym-pathies known.

11. Mr. RIFAI (Syria) asked Chief Marealle II if
there were members of both parties in the area under
his control and if so what was the proportion of membership in each.
12. Chief MAREALLE II replied that T ANU had
members in his area but that he did not know of any UTP members there.

13. Mr. KIANG (China) asked Chief Marealle II
what had been his reaction to Mr. Nyerere's suggestion
that African representation in the Legislative Council should be increased to 5O per cent.
14. Chief MAREALLE II replied that he did not
think it would be asking too much to suggest that
Africans should occupy half the seats as soon as the
necessary administrative arrangements could be made

21. Mr. LALL (India) asked Chief Marealle II
whether he and his fellow chiefs had had meetings
with representatives of any other parties besides the UTP and whether they had felt that any of those parties
more nearly represented the aspirations of the Tanga-nyikan people.
22. Chief MAREALLE II replied that he did not
know whether other parties had had similar meetings
with chiefs elsewhere in Tanganyika. The meeting to
which he had referred had given him and his advisers
the impression that while the UTP was inspired by
high ideals it did not truly represent African aspirations
and even seemed to fear majority rule, which would
in effect be democratic rule. It was the hope of the Chagga people that Tanganyika would eventually have
a government in which Africans would be in the majo· , rity, an aspiration which the UTP representatives had not seemed to share.

23. Mr. LALL (India) asked whether in the event
of a distinct Tanganyikan citizenship being established
Tanganyikan Africans would be willing to give equal
rights of citizenship to Asians and Europeans residing
in the country. If so, it was surely conceivable that
the question of rule by a particular racial group would
disappear.
24. Chief MAREALLE II said that in that event it
would be immaterial to what race the leaders of the
country belonged and the principle of rule by majority
would be followed. It was not yet possible to disregard
entirely the question of the racial composition o~ Tan· ganyika society but it was to be hoped that wtth the
passage of time the members of all communities woul.d
shed their prejudices and cease to be conscious of thetr
racial differences.

25. Mr. NYERERE (Tanganyika African National
Union) agreed that if Tanganyikan citizenship were
eventually established with equal rights for all citizens
the racial origin of the country's leaders would be of
no importance.

Marealle II, Paramount Chief of the Chagga's, and Mr. Julius K. Nyerere, President of the Tanganyika
African National Union, withdrew.


cc Mohamed Said, Pascal Mayalla, Nguruvi3, johnthebaptist, MALCOM LUMUMBA
JK,
Ahsante sana kwa kumaliza suala hili kwa ushahidi.
Nami naomba kuchangia hali ilivyokuwa wakati ule kuhusu suala hili:

But in order for one to understand Abdul Sykes' support for Nyerere one needs to analyse the forces at play in the political system in colonial Tanganyika. In 1951, while working to revive TAA, Abdul Sykes and Hamza Mwapachu were approached by Ivor Bayldon, [1] Brig. Scupham and V.M. Nazerali and were asked to support the formation of a multiracial political party.

These three were members of the Legislative Council. Bayldon was a rich settler in the Southern Highlands who had originally immigrated to Tanganyika from South Africa.

African members of the Legislative Council who were enthusiastic about that idea were Chief Kidaha Makwaia and Liwali Yustino Mponda of Newala.[2]

Other prominent personalities who were consulted and requested to support the formation of a multiracial political party were: Dr Joseph Mutahangarwa, Chief Abdieli Shangali of Machame, Paramount Chief Thomas Marealle of Marangu, Chief Adam Sapi Mkwawa, Chief Harun Msabila Lugusha, Dr Mwanjisi, Abdulkarim Karimjee, Dr Vedas Kyaruzi, Liwali Juma Mwindadi, H.K. Viran, Stephen Mhando, Ally Sykes and Dossa Aziz. [3]
This was a mixture of privileged Europeans, aristocrats like Marealle, African elites such as Mwapachu, Asians in the commercial class such as Karimjee and townsmen such as Dossa.

All of them were leaders who commanded following in their own respective communities.

Two years later in a letter which Nazerali sent to Ally Sykes to lay down the objective of the intended party, after he was convinced that a multiracial political party was unattainable, Nazerali wrote in part: ‘The desire was to organise a body of people who are sincere, who have faith and belief in the progressive development of the people of our country, with equal opportunities for all.’ [4]
Abdul Sykes and the entire membership of TAA could not be privy to such an idea.

Much as the objectives of the proposed political party seemed sincere and articulated precisely what TAA was fighting for, Africans could not trust the future of Tanganyika to the good intentions of non-Africans who were working hand in glove with the colonial government.

It was obvious that the minorities in Tanganyika did not want to accept the fact that Tanganyika was basically an African country.

For TAA to accept the formation of a multiracial political party with African leadership active in its founding, was tantamount to putting African interests under the mercy of the minorities.

A few years earlier, a similar idea under what was known as the Capricorn Society was floated by colonialists in areas such as Tabora, where there was quite a good number of educated Africans, mostly in the teaching profession.

The beliefs of the society were hinged on the ‘freedom of civilised Africans.’

Stephen Mhando, who was in Dar es Salaam and was in contact with George Magembe in Tabora, sent a letter to the TAA leadership there warning them of the dangers posed by the Capricorn.

Tanganyika at that time was in need of a political direction and it was not TAA’s inner circle alone which was working to provide that leadership.

[1] Ivor Bayldon was the founder president of United Tanganyika Party (UTP), formed by Europeans in 1955 to oppose TANU. The Vice-President was Sheikh Hussein Juma, a prominent Manyema in Dar es Salaam.​
[2] A biography of Yustino Mponda was published in Baragumu, 19 th April, 1950.
[3] V.M. Nazerali to Ally Sykes 12 th October, 1953. Sykes’ papers.
[4] Nazerali, ibid.

(Kutoka: ''The Life and Times of Abdulwahid Sykes (1924 - 1968)the Untld Story of the Muslim Struggle Against British Colonialism in Tanganyika,'' (1998).

Chief Thomas Mareale alikwenda UNO 1955 akiwa na hayo hapo juu kichwani mwake mambo ambayo baadhi ya viongozi katika jamii ya Watanganyika walikuwa wanayataka.

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Mara nyingi kwenye mijadala ya aina hii huwa naona baadhi ya wachangiaji wanakuwa na ajenda za siri kupinga yaliyo wazi, na sijui huwa wanafanya hivyo kwa manufaa ya nani, kama nia ni kutaka kuwapa publicity watu wao, basi wasifanye hivyo kwa kuwaondolea haki hiyo wengine.

..mwalimu wetu wa somo la siasa wakati tuko a-level alitufundisha kwa mangi thomas marealle alipinga uhuru wa Tanganyika, badala yake akadai uhuru wa "nchi ya wachagga."

..kwa kuwa niliwahi kusoma hotuba ya mwalimu nyerere uno aki-pettion uhuru wa Tanganyika, nilikuwa na shauku ya kusoma hotuba ya mangi marealle akidai uhuru wa kabila lake.

..shauku hiyo ya miaka mingi ndiyo iliyoniunganisha na archives za UN ambazo zina nyaraka nyingi za kihistoria kuhusu taasisi hiyo.
 
..mwalimu wetu wa somo la siasa wakati tuko a-level alitufundisha kwa mangi thomas marealle alipinga uhuru wa Tanganyika, badala yake akadai uhuru wa "nchi ya wachagga."

..kwa kuwa niliwahi kusoma hotuba ya mwalimu nyerere uno aki-pettion uhuru wa Tanganyika, nilikuwa na shauku ya kusoma hotuba ya mangi marealle akidai uhuru wa kabila lake.

..shauku hiyo ya miaka mingi ndiyo iliyoniunganisha na archives za UN ambazo zina nyaraka nyingi za kihistoria kuhusu taasisi hiyo.
Mkuu JokaKuu ndivyo inavyofahamika kwa watu wengi kwamba Marealle 'alipinga uhuru'

Kwanini Nyerere alikaa kimya? ni kwasababu hoja hiyo ilimuondolea Marealle nguvu hasa tukijua Mwalimu hakupenda uchifu. Kwa bahati mbaya sana wasomi wetu hawakufanya vizuri katika hili. Nyaraka zipo kama ulivyozileta
 
Mkuu JokaKuu ndivyo inavyofahamika kwa watu wengi kwamba Marealle 'alipinga uhuru'

Kwanini Nyerere alikaa kimya? ni kwasababu hoja hiyo ilimuondolea Marealle nguvu hasa tukijua Mwalimu hakupenda uchifu. Kwa bahati mbaya sana wasomi wetu hawakufanya vizuri katika hili. Nyaraka zipo kama ulivyozileta

..nawasikitikia vijana wanaojiapiza kwa chuki kwamba mangi marealle alipinga uhuru.

..hii ni nyaraka moja tu, zipo nyingine kama tatu zinazoonyesha kwamba mangi marealle aliunga mkono uhuru.

..na sio kwamba aliunga mkono uhuru tu, bali alikuwa anaisisitiza serikali ya muingereza, na un, waongeze nafasi za masomo kwa ajili ya watanganyika.
 
At the invitation of the President, Mr. Fletcher-Cooke, special representative of the Administering
Authority for the Trust Territory of Tanganyika, Marealle II, Paramount Chief of the Chaggas, and Mr. Julius K. Nyerere, President of the Tanganyika African National Union, took places at the Council table.


HEARING OF PETITIONERS (concluded)

1. Mr. RIFAI (Syria) asked Mr. Nyerere whether
he had referred to the United Tanganyika Party
(DTP) as a pro-Government party simply because it
supported the Government and its policies or because
he thought that the Government financed the Party
or encouraged the inhabitants to join it.
2. Mr. NYERERE (Tanganyika African National Union) replied that although the UTP did not receive
financial help from the Government it had originally ?een formed by members of the Legislative Council, It supported the Government's policy of multiracialism
and it was opposed to the principles for which the
Tanganyika African National Union (TANU) stood.
Furthermore, the attitude of the Government had given
many Tanganyikans the impression that it favoured
the UTP more than it did TANU. He himself had
heard of many cases in which district officers had held
meetings for the purpose of attacking T ANU and
recommending Tanganyikans to join the UTP. More-over, chiefs could join the UTP without being harassed
by government officials, whereas chiefs who join or favoured T ANU were afraid to make their sym-pathies known.

11. Mr. RIFAI (Syria) asked Chief Marealle II if
there were members of both parties in the area under
his control and if so what was the proportion of membership in each.
12. Chief MAREALLE II replied that T ANU had
members in his area but that he did not know of any UTP members there.

13. Mr. KIANG (China) asked Chief Marealle II
what had been his reaction to Mr. Nyerere's suggestion
that African representation in the Legislative Council should be increased to 5O per cent.
14. Chief MAREALLE II replied that he did not
think it would be asking too much to suggest that
Africans should occupy half the seats as soon as the
necessary administrative arrangements could be made

21. Mr. LALL (India) asked Chief Marealle II
whether he and his fellow chiefs had had meetings
with representatives of any other parties besides the UTP and whether they had felt that any of those parties
more nearly represented the aspirations of the Tanga-nyikan people.
22. Chief MAREALLE II replied that he did not
know whether other parties had had similar meetings
with chiefs elsewhere in Tanganyika. The meeting to
which he had referred had given him and his advisers
the impression that while the UTP was inspired by
high ideals it did not truly represent African aspirations
and even seemed to fear majority rule, which would
in effect be democratic rule. It was the hope of the Chagga people that Tanganyika would eventually have
a government in which Africans would be in the majo· , rity, an aspiration which the UTP representatives had not seemed to share.

23. Mr. LALL (India) asked whether in the event
of a distinct Tanganyikan citizenship being established
Tanganyikan Africans would be willing to give equal
rights of citizenship to Asians and Europeans residing
in the country. If so, it was surely conceivable that
the question of rule by a particular racial group would
disappear.
24. Chief MAREALLE II said that in that event it
would be immaterial to what race the leaders of the
country belonged and the principle of rule by majority
would be followed. It was not yet possible to disregard
entirely the question of the racial composition o~ Tan· ganyika society but it was to be hoped that wtth the
passage of time the members of all communities woul.d
shed their prejudices and cease to be conscious of thetr
racial differences.

25. Mr. NYERERE (Tanganyika African National
Union) agreed that if Tanganyikan citizenship were
eventually established with equal rights for all citizens
the racial origin of the country's leaders would be of
no importance.

Marealle II, Paramount Chief of the Chagga's, and Mr. Julius K. Nyerere, President of the Tanganyika
African National Union, withdrew.


cc Mohamed Said, Pascal Mayalla, Nguruvi3, johnthebaptist, MALCOM LUMUMBA
Sasa huo waraka utatusaidia nini, mbona akina mangi mnajishitukia kwa usaliti wenu.
 
..nawasikitikia vijana wanaojiapiza kwa chuki kwamba mangi marealle alipinga uhuru.

..hii ni nyaraka moja tu, zipo nyingine kama tatu zinazoonyesha kwamba mangi marealle aliunga mkono uhuru.

..na sio kwamba aliunga mkono uhuru tu, bali alikuwa anaisisitiza serikali ya muingereza, na un, waongeze nafasi za masomo kwa ajili ya watanganyika.
Mkuu vijana wanajiapiza kwasababu hii dhana imeachwa bila kusahihishwa kwa muda mrefu

Nyerere 'inner circle' walijua ni hoja nzuri sana inayopunguza nguvu za Uchifu na hata historia
Ukichanganya na ukweli kuwa Chief Marealle alikuwa na uwezo wa elimu na fedha na ile 'aggressiveness' ya watu wa kaskazini katika education and business ni rahisi kabisa mtu kuamini Marealle alitaka kuanzisha republic yake na hivyo alipinga uhuru kinyume kabisa na ukweli.

''Dhambi' kubwa katika hili ni wasomi kukalia kimya ukweli. Pili, Mwl naye anasehemu yake, kwa kutoandika 'Memoir' tunakosa ukweli kutoka kwa wahusika

Joka, hivi tungekuwa na 'presidential Library' nyaraka hizi si zingepatikana !!
 
Labda alilamba asali kama Mbowe , who knows? ma-elite wa Wachaga wameanza zamani usnitch dhidi ya Wachaga wenzao, tangia zamani wanawatreat hovyo sana, ona Mbowe anavyowafanyia sasa!
 
Labda alilamba asali kama Mbowe , who knows? ma-elite wa Wachaga wameanza zamani dhidi ya Wachaga wenzao tangia zamani wanawatreat hovyo sana, ona Mbowe anavyowafanyia sasa!

..usiseme labda...

..ushahidi kwamba Marealle aliunga mkono Tanganyika kupata uhuru uko mezani.

..baadae nitaleta ushahidi wa maelezo ya Mwalimu Nyerere akiunga mkono maelezo yaliyotolewa na Mangi Marealle UN.
 
At the invitation of the President, Mr. Fletcher-Cooke, special representative of the Administering
Authority for the Trust Territory of Tanganyika, Marealle II, Paramount Chief of the Chaggas, and Mr. Julius K. Nyerere, President of the Tanganyika African National Union, took places at the Council table.


HEARING OF PETITIONERS (concluded)

1. Mr. RIFAI (Syria) asked Mr. Nyerere whether
he had referred to the United Tanganyika Party
(DTP) as a pro-Government party simply because it
supported the Government and its policies or because
he thought that the Government financed the Party
or encouraged the inhabitants to join it.
2. Mr. NYERERE (Tanganyika African National Union) replied that although the UTP did not receive
financial help from the Government it had originally ?een formed by members of the Legislative Council, It supported the Government's policy of multiracialism
and it was opposed to the principles for which the
Tanganyika African National Union (TANU) stood.
Furthermore, the attitude of the Government had given
many Tanganyikans the impression that it favoured.the. UTP more than it did TANU. He himself had
heard of many cases in which district officers had held
meetings for the purpose of attacking T ANU and
recommending Tanganyikans to join the UTP. More-over, chiefs could join the UTP without being harassed
by government officials, whereas chiefs who join or favoured T ANU were afraid to make their sympathies known.


cc Mohamed Said, Pascal Mayalla, Nguruvi3, johnthebaptist, MALCOM LUMUMBA
So nothing has indeed changed with the DCs, ccm and the opposition...
 
na sio kwamba aliunga mkono uhuru tu, bali alikuwa anaisisitiza serikali ya muingereza, na un, waongeze nafasi za masomo kwa ajili ya watanganyika.
Sijui kama unajua, hizo nafasi za masomo ng'ambo sio kwa ajili ya Watanganyika wowote bali watoto wa machifu. Nimebahatika kusoma primary na Mjukuu wa Mangi Mkuu, mwenzetu toka sekondari kaenda London!. Nilipokwenda London, akanikaribisha kwake, kumbe Mangi Mkuu wana a big family house in London!.

Tuweke siasa pembeni, ni jimbo gani in Tanzania lilikuwa tayari kujitawala kwa kujitegemea zaidi ya Northern Province?.
Can you imagine kama uhuru ungetolewa kwa Mangi Mkuu badala ya kwa Nyerere saa hizi Tanzania tungekuwa wapi?.
P
 
Sijui kama unajua, hizo nafasi za masomo ng'ambo sio kwa ajili ya Watanganyika wowote bali watoto wa machifu. Nimebahatika kusoma primary na Mjukuu wa Mangi Mkuu, mwenzetu toka sekondari kaenda London!. Nilipokwenda London, akanikaribisha kwake, kumbe Mangi Mkuu wana a big family house in London!.

Tuweke siasa pembeni, ni jimbo gani in Tanzania lilikuwa tayari kujitawala kwa kujitegemea zaidi ya Northern Province?.
Can you imagine kama uhuru ungetolewa kwa Mangi Mkuu badala ya kwa Nyerere saa hizi Tanzania tungekuwa wapi?.
P

..Marealle alisema elimu isambazwe kwa Watanganyika wote. Hakuzungumzia elimu kwa watoto wa Machifu.

..Mangi Marealle hakuwa petitioner wa uhuru wa Tanganyika, hivyo hakuna haja ya ku-imagine yeye kukabidhiwa nchi.

..Ushahidi unaonyesha kwamba Marealle aliunga mkono uhuru kwa Watanganyika wote.

..Na hapo nyaraka zinaonyesha anaisema vizuri Tanu kuliko Utp. Kwa hiyo habari kwamba alipinga uhuru, au Tanu, ni habari za uongo na zenye nia mbaya na nchi yetu.

..Kwa taarifa yako Lake Province walikuwa wako vizuri sana kifedha. Kwa msingi huo walikuwa na uwezo wa kujiendesha. Kuna kipindi michango ya Lake Province ilikuwa ndio inakibeba chama cha Tanu.
 
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