Mkutano wa Rais Kikwete na Uhuru Kenyatta kuibua mgogoro wa kidiplomasia?

[Mwita Maranya]

Rais Kikwete alikuwa Kenya week chache zilizopita, tena state visit. Ni kitu gani hasa kinawindwa hapa? Kwenye protokali, sidhani kama ni sahihi kwa rais kukutana na upande mmoja wa wagombea angali ndio kwanza Kenya iko kwenye campaign.

Kwa maoni yangu, raisi wangu Kikwete haaminiki na pia ni kigeugeu katika medani za siasa, akisikia makelele tu kutoka upande wa pili usishangae kumuona mr. Agwash nae akipiga nae picha mtaa wa magogoni, tuvute subira kidogo.

Btw, wakenya wameipokeaje hii visit ya Uhuru Kenyata kwa raisi Kikwete Ab-Titchaz

 

[Bantugbro]

Wakenya hua wanafurahisha sana pale kipindi cha elections kinapowadia....Ni lazima watie mguu Dar, halafu uchaguzi ukiisha tu wanaanza tena matusi ya kuwakandia wabongo...:sing:

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Kwa maoni yangu, raisi wangu Kikwete haaminiki na pia ni kigeugeu katika medani za siasa, akisikia makelele tu kutoka upande wa pili usishangae kumuona mr. Agwash nae akipiga nae picha mtaa wa magogoni, tuvute subira kidogo.

Btw, wakenya wameipokeaje hii visit ya Uhuru Kenyata kwa raisi Kikwete Ab-Titchaz

ICC: Uhuru takes TNA, URP team to Kikwete

Updated Monday, October 22 2012 at 00:00 GMT+3

By Peter Opiyo

The Hague case against four Kenyans featured at a meeting between Mr Uhuru Kenyatta and Tanzania's President Jakaya Kikwete a day before ICC Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda arrives in Nairobi.

The Deputy Prime Minister flew to Tanzania to enlist Kikwete's support for his presidential bid and asked the international community to allow Kenyans elect their leaders without interference. Uhuru, who alongside Eldoret North MP William Ruto, is fighting to succeed President Kibaki while saddled with serious crimes against humanity charges, led a delegation that visited Kikwete that included Justice Minister Eugene Wamalwa, who is variously talked about as his likely running mate.

It is believed the Kenyan delegation, buoyed by the fact that Kikwete enjoys good relations with top Western capitals, and having played a key role in the stabilisation of Kenya following the 2008 post-election violence, chose Kikwete to send a message to ICC on the importance of having them run for the sake of Kenya's long-term stability and peaceful elections.

It is significant that Uhuru flew out a fortnight after former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, who brokered Kenya's peace deal alongside Kikwete, was in Kenya with the message that an Uhuru or Ruto presidency would not augur well for Kenya in the eyes of the global community. Former Tanzania President Benjamin Mkapa, who worked on the peace agreement with Annan, was also in Kenya around that time, and it is believed his discussions with President Kibaki could have dwelt on the implication of ICC cases on the March 4, 2013 elections.

Specifically, Uhuru's delegation took issue with Annan's remarks that electing one of the ICC accused President, would not sit well with other nations.

A statement from Uhuru's Director of Communications Mr Munyori Buku entitled "Kenyans are masters of their own destiny" read in part: "President Kikwete called for the respect of the "decision of the people of Kenya". He added Kenyans were the masters of their own destiny and must be allowed to elect their leaders without undue interference.

Buku went on: "The President pointed out that Africa would respect the decision Kenyans would make in the General Election in March next year."

Kikwete hosted the delegation from Uhuru's The National Alliance, Wamalwa's New Ford Kenya and Ruto's United Republican Party for a three-hour discussion at State House in Dar-es-Salaam. "Mr Kenyatta said his goal and that of like-minded leaders was to move the country forward in unity. To this end, he said, they were reaching out to leaders of other political parties," reported Buku.

On his recent visit to Kenya, Annan said: "Of course there are implications that everyone needs to ponder over suspects running for presidency." Immediately, his statement provoked Uhuru and Ruto who retorted it was time Annan kept off Kenya's affairs.

Uhuru then said he had friends who have not raised an issue with his election as President. And this may have been the statement that paved way for his visit to Tanzania.

"We have no problem with our friends, but if they do not respect us, it is up to them. We have many friends to work with all over the world," Uhuru said at a TNA meeting a week ago.

In Tanzania he is said to have repeated his comments to Kikwete, who said it was wrong for foreigners to interfere in Kenya's elections.

Uhuru was also accompanied by Medical Services Assistant minister Kazungu Kambi (representing URP) and MPs Rachael Shebesh and Moses ole Sakuda and former MP Abdullahi Ibrahim Ali. Kenya's High Commissioner to Tanzania, Mr Mutinda Mutiso was also present.

"Mr Uhuru was adamant and reiterated his public comments on Annan while Kikwete said people should be left to elect their leaders without interference," said Wamalwa's spokesman Mr Tony Gachoka.

At the meeting, Wamalwa is said to have promised to ask the Attorney General Githu Muigai to seek an interpretation of the Supreme Court of Chapter Six of the Constitution regarding integrity.

His argument is that elective positions are different from appointive ones and that precedents like the one that knocked off Mr Mumo Matemu as chairman of Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission as well as Ms Nancy Baraza, who resigned as Deputy Chief Justice, should not be used when the court finally handles the case involving Uhuru and Ruto.

Civil Society groups have moved to court to challenge the eligibility of the two to vie for the presidency while the CJ has said the two cases set a good precedent on integrity and were a trailblazer.

"Mr Wamalwa made it clear that he will be asking the AG to ask the Supreme Court to interpret Chapter Six of the Constitution because he feels there is a difference between appointive and elective positions," Mr Gachoka told The Standard in Nairobi.

The two camps are anxious that the Judiciary may use Matemu's and Baraza's cases as precedents to block the two from getting their names on the ballot paper.
Gachoka claimed Wamalwa accused Annan of treating Kenyans as if he were a "prefect" yet it was Kikwete who got the two sides to agree to a deal.

Ms Bensouda's visit comes at a time Uhuru and Ruto are engaged in intensive campaigns for the presidency. The two, together with former Secretary to the Cabinet Francis Muthaura and Kass FM radio journalist Joshua Sang' are accused by The Hague-based court of being behind crimes against humanity committed in the 2008 post-poll upheavals.

During her visit the Prosecutor will meet President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga and also travel to the Rift Valley to meet victims of the violence.
Phasiko Mochochoko, Head of the Jurisdiction, Complementarity and Cooperation Division of the ICC and Shamiso Mbizvo, Cooperation Adviser, will accompany Ms Bensouda.

In August, Ms Bensouda conceded some key witnesses in the Kenyan cases had been intimidated, compromised or threatened with death and execution, and feared this may undermine the two cases.

Standard Digital News : ICC: Uhuru takes TNA, URP team to Kikwete

 

[bagamoyo]

Uhuru Kenyatta anasema 'wa-Kenya wanataka agombe Urais, 'Majirani '' hawajamwambia asigombee Urais wala hawajasema hawatashirikiana naye ktk jumuiya ya Afrika Mashariki sasa hawa wageni toka Marekani na Ulaya wanaleta maneno ya nini? ruksa waje watalii Kenya na kuondoka na kutuachia Kenya yetu.....endelea kusikiliza akinadi sera zake za chama cha TNA na sera za mashirikiano na nchi jirani na Afrika kwa jumla

 

[Nairoberry]

Jakaya kikwete supports uhuru for president. Very interesting raila will be very angry since kikwete is very popular and a pan african

 

[WOWOWO]

This is one of the very big mistake ambayo Serikali ya JK imefanya, anaandaa mgogoro mkubwa wa kidiplomasia kukutana na Kenyataa, JK anashauriwa na nani? juzi mkapa na koffi anan walikuwa kenya na kibaki amegoma kukutana nao kwa makusudi sababu kibaki kwa namna fulani hataki kenyata apelekwe ICC , na Koffi anan amesema wazi ni lazima kenyata na ruto wasisishiliki uchaguzi sababu wataifanya Kenya itengwe na jumuia ya Kimataifa.

Matamshi ya JK ni matusi makubwa kwa Koffi Annan na Mzee Mkapa, si ajabu kikwete ameanza kuhisi kuwa naye atapelekwa ICC baada ya utawala wake. This is a diplomatic falier ya Taifa letu. ovyo kabisa.

Kuna tetesi kuwa Raila Odinga is supporting CDM so haitashangaza JK akawa upande tofauti na Odinga. Mind you Kibaki is likely to endorse Uhuru Kenyatta. This should be aligned with 'Who knows you (BMW) politics' that have been flourishing all over Africa.

 

[mfianchi]

Mitanzania ni mijitu ya ajabu sana. Hivi ni nani kati yenu mliochangia anajua hasa maana ya diplomacy especially strategic diplomacy? Acheni kubwata na kutokwa mapovu dhidi ya kila kitu akifanyacho J.K. So far rais knows the implications of that. You better keep quite at a time you have no enough reference to back your arguments up rather than just snaping and poluting the forum you private piles and scambags of this country, shit!

Asavali ya Mitanzania kuliko Minyang'au inayotembea na .... kwenye suruari(hutumia toilet paper kwa saana)

 

[Kabaridi]

It is not that complex a.k.a murky Kenyan politics , tribalism and 'majimbo' are the only factors in Kenya's politics

Ok let us look at this soberly...ICC is a recent phenomena in kenyan politics and for them and bensouda's headstrong attempt to over-run kenya's institutions, some that have been entrenched from since the country got its independence is merely a joke. The advantage the Court can bet on is that the 2007/8 pre-meditated ochestration of the PEV has given them something that works in favor of their mission; (that is a good reason for them to occupy and meddle in kenyan politics). I know this would not have come at a better time for ODM since it is loosing support profusely (party members are opting to go to other parties). The party is on a race against time to resuscitate their ever waning popularity; and hence this ICC euphoria will help at least drum some support for their party.

However there are so many factors that govern kenyan politics;
*There is tribalism as you have mentioned,
*there is a faction of politicians that are popularizing majimboism(yaani hatred for other communities),
*there is clanism..etc...etc..

So Question, who brought majimbo politics? and who brought tribalism?

 

[Kabaridi]

Ms Bensouda is not going to be intimidated by spin about Kenyan politics. That is for the government and the
people of Kenya to deal with.

What Bensouda is interested in is the 4 suspects who have a case to answer and have been indicted at
The Hague of which Kenya is a signatory the last time I checked.

Mkuu First,

We start with the basics. Everyone knows well MS bensouda's promotion to ICC chief prosecutor was politically motivated and therefore nobody wants to interfere with MS bensouda's tourist visit to Kenya, I have checked the history of MS bensouda and the notable accolades are and ICJ award and a mere mention in a regular magazine as one of the top 100 influencial people. Thats all. I know next she will be lined up to recieve a nobel peace price.

But besides these factors you can check in print news or everywhere, that there is no one who has interfered with the due process of ICC even those indicted have cooperated with the court. The issue is the underhand tactics that they want to sarbotage the elections and distort the constitutional rights of the kenyan pple to elect whom they want. It is no wonder that her subsequent visit after Mediator Kofi annan signals they are messengers from the same source.

I believe they should be patient and wait until march 2013 for the indicted four to arrive in holland.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Mkuu First,

We start with the basics. Everyone knows well MS bensouda's promotion to ICC chief prosecutor was politically motivated and therefore nobody wants to interfere with MS bensouda's tourist visit to Kenya, I have checked the history of MS bensouda and the notable accolades are and ICJ award and a mere mention in a regular magazine as one of the top 100 influencial people. Thats all. I know next she will be lined up to recieve a nobel peace price.

But besides these factors you can check in print news or everywhere, that there is no one who has interfered with the due process of ICC even those indicted have cooperated with the court. The issue is the underhand tactics that they want to sarbotage the elections and distort the constitutional rights of the kenyan pple to elect whom they want. It is no wonder that her subsequent visit after Mediator Kofi annan signals they are messengers from the same source.

I believe they should be patient and wait until march 2013 for the indicted four to arrive in holland.

You are a true master of spin.

...The basics have nothing to do with Bensouda...the basics are Kenya's Parliament pushed for the Hague
with kina Ruto's cheer leaders being on the fore front of that choir. Hio mnajifanya mumesahau sio?

...then you say "Everyone knows well MS Bensouda's promotion to ICC chief prosecutor was politically motivated "
A very reckless self serving statement that I have heard from other Uhuruto sympathizers. Don't apply Kenya
theatrics on another theater...it doesn't work.

...The train has left the station and 4 men cannot hold a country hostage because of their political ambitions or
simply because they are the sons of so and so!

 

[Kabaridi]

You are a true master of spin.

...The basics have nothing to do with Bensouda...the basics are Kenya's Parliament pushed for the Hague
with kina Ruto's cheer leaders being on the fore front of that choir. Hio mnajifanya mumesahau sio?

...then you say "Everyone knows well MS Bensouda's promotion to ICC chief prosecutor was politically motivated "
A very reckless self serving statement that I have heard from other Uhuruto sympathizers. Don't apply Kenya
theatrics on another theater...it doesn't work.

...The train has left the station and 4 men cannot hold a country hostage because of their political ambitions or
simply because they are the sons of so and so!

Fair enough, then It will take a long time for the nation to bow to such ICC pressure, but let me reassure you, Kenyans will never be snatched their constitutional mandate by outsiders. Outsiders do not know Kenya neither have they the interests of kenyans at heart; and so are those politicians depending on such Jurisdictions outside our boundaries to ascend to power! Last time I checked it is only a handful of midde-class that may have your sentiments; remember kenyan voters at the grass-root may not share your views.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Fair enough, then It will take a long time for the nation to bow to such ICC pressure, but let me reassure you, Kenyans will never be snatched their constitutional mandate by outsiders. Outsiders do not know Kenya neither have they the interests of kenyans at heart; and so are those politicians depending on such Jurisdictions outside our boundaries to ascend to power! Last time I checked it is only a handful of midde-class that may have your sentiments; remember kenyan voters at the grass-root may not share your views.

...wewe sasa unakua muongo namba wani mzee mwenzangu.

As of Jan 2012 the support for the ICC process by KENYANS was high. Soma hapa:
Polls: Support for ICC remains high, but fear of violence has increased « ICC Kenya Monitor

When you carelessly say outsiders do not know Kenya, who are outsiders maana sielewi. You starting to sound
like Uhuru Kenyatta who says the same statements then comes to Kikwete for support. Isn't Kikwete an outsider too?

Hio spin unaleta about Kenyans on the ground will not hold maybe to the naive....there are more than 1,200 souls
6 feet under who are still crying for justice, there families who were left orphaned or without any bread winner are
calling out for justice, the IDPs in the camps are calling out for justice...now why try to spin out of that?

Meanwhile what does this mean maana sijakuelewa sijui kama ni typo au vp... but let me reassure you, Kenyans will never be snatched their constitutional mandate by outsiders.

 

[Mekatilili]

Uhuru Kenyatta and his fellow warlord, William Ruto's days are numbered. It is a shame that he holds enough sway and leaves a whole president-Kikwete-cheer leading him on. Embarrassing how easy it is to buy out a country and the leaders to boot.

The message from the ICC is clear; Uhuru Kenyatta will be tried and convicted for killing thousands and displacing hundreds of thousand.

 

[JokaKuu]

Kabaridi, Jasusi, Ab-Titchaz, Kiranga, Pasco,

..mimi nadhani Uhuru anapoteza muda wake tu.

..no one should take Kikwete's words/promises seriously.

..baada ya scandal ya Richmond, and how he left his friend[Edward Lowassa] "holding the bag," hivi kuna mtu bado anataka kufanya deal yoyote ile na Kikwete??

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Kabaridi, Jasusi, Ab-Titchaz, Kiranga, Pasco,

..mimi nadhani Uhuru anapoteza muda wake tu.

..no one should take Kikwete's words/promises seriously.

..baada ya scandal ya Richmond, and how he left his friend[Edward Lowassa] "holding the bag," hivi kuna mtu bado anataka kufanya deal yoyote ile na Kikwete??

Uhuru Kenyatta is a man in a desperate position so he will cling to anything so long as he
thinks it will help his situation with the ICC.

...Now he is in South Sudan looking for regional support against his case.

updated 50 mins ago:

Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta Wednesday morning met South Sudan Vice-President Riak Machar in Nairobi.
The two leaders discussed matters of mutual interest between Kenya and South Sudan, and praised the ties between the two nations.
Dr Machar said he hoped the next elections would be peaceful so that Kenya and the region's stability and economies will not be not affected.

Standard Digital News : Uhuru meets South Sudan VP


...Kikwete naye I believe is playing for the gallery while at the same time looking at which side of the bread
is buttered. The fact that he himself is embroiled in suspicious corruption dealings via he is government,
it doesn't surprise me that he is cohabiting with Kenya's guru in corruption underhand dealings.

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Uhuru Kenyatta and his fellow warlord, William Ruto's days are numbered. It is a shame that he holds enough sway and leaves a whole president-Kikwete-cheer leading him on. Embarrassing how easy it is to buy out a country and the leaders to boot.

The message from the ICC is clear; Uhuru Kenyatta will be tried and convicted for killing thousands and displacing hundreds of thousand.

Will Kibaki agree to hand over the son of Jomo to the ICC when the rubber hits the road? That's the tricky part.

...The man is already acting as the President of KE with Kibaki being the lame duck that he is.

 

[Kabaridi]

Kabaridi, Jasusi, Ab-Titchaz, Kiranga, Pasco,

..mimi nadhani Uhuru anapoteza muda wake tu.

..no one should take Kikwete's words/promises seriously.

..baada ya scandal ya Richmond, and how he left his friend[Edward Lowassa] "holding the bag," hivi kuna mtu bado anataka kufanya deal yoyote ile na Kikwete??

Huenda uhuru na kundi lake walikuwa katika tour ya likizo ndogo Dar-es-salaam ndio wakaamua kumpitia kumsalimia Kikwete. Aidha sijaona kwanini raia yoyote asiwe na haki ya kumtembelea yeyote. Hii ni kukosa heshima kwa wananchi wa kenya ambao wanalindwa na sheria na katiba ya kenya. Rome statute in itself cannot overrun the kenyan constitution and the individual safeguards as scribed in the constitution. And if that be the case that is not what the Rome statute states; unless they ratify it.. Nashanga malalamiko ambayo ina mchanganyiko ya vigelele ni za nini wakati DPM na mwenzake wa URP wamekubali wataelekea uholanzi baada ya Machi 2013.

....Hizi Korti ambazo haziendeshi shughuli zao kisheria zinashangaza sana kwa sababu wanapiga kampeini zao katika kenyan media space bure at no fee kama wanasaisa na inahujumu utekelezaji wa sheria. Ikiwa hii sio ukoloni mambo leo tafadhali nielimishe mambo namna haya yatapewa jina gani?

.......Kama ICC inatarajia kugeuza sheria hizi tutaelewa hivi karibuni. ICC ilikubaliwa maana ilionekana kama Korti ya sheria, lakini ni nadra kupata korti ulimwenguni inaoendesha shughuli zake kisiasa kama ICC.

........Yaonekana Korti ya kimbari inanusa foul move na Kenya Government, na hii uongo ya kujaribu kutafuta "evidence" kutoka kwa witnessess/voters ina makusudi gani haswa? Huoni mkuu?

The international community should have woken up smelt the coffee long ago, Kenya has turned east for bilaterial ties, where a huge percentage of things have been implemented by both partners. Kwa hivyo threats za kuwa sanctioned diplomatically si jambo litatatiza Kenya. The train left the station and is full mile-speeds ahead, no stopping it plz.

 

[Kabaridi]

Standard Digital News : Uhuru meets South Sudan VP


...Kikwete naye I believe is playing for the gallery while at the same time looking at which side of the bread
is buttered. The fact that he himself is embroiled in suspicious corruption dealings via he is government,
it doesn't surprise me that he is cohabiting with Kenya's guru in corruption underhand dealings.

Mkuu, kati ya kikwete na Mkapa nani kafilisisha tanzania?! Mkapa aliuza mashamba ya migodi kwa jamaa na familia zake pamoja pia kwa watu wa ngambo ya Mediterranean na bado anatembea huru. Lazima tuelewa what corruption means, na sio kawa sababu mtu yuko "politicaly correct" na anakubalika na wengi nchini kwake, anakuwa sio mfisadi. That in itself is corruption.

Will Kibaki agree to hand over the son of Jomo to the ICC when the rubber hits the road? That's the tricky part.

...The man is already acting as the President of KE with Kibaki being the lame duck that he is.

Better have a leader that is considered a meek "lame duck" than one that is a hot-blooded "meat-eater" that employs potentially destructive divisive politics which make the nation disintegrate. You make me laugh, is Kibaki responsible for such things (that is handing over uhuru)? will you give at least a statute that states that? slow down Mkuu.

 

[JokaKuu]

Kabaridi,

..sijui details za matatizo ya Kenyatta na ICC.

..ila ninachoweza kusema ni kwamba Kikwete ni mtu ambayo siyo reliable.

..JK amewageuka hata watu wake wa karibu, ppl who helped him get into the highest office in Tz.

..sasa usije ukashangaa akamgeuka na Uhuru Kenyatta--if there is anything they agreed on.

 

[Kabaridi]

Kabaridi,

..sijui details za matatizo ya Kenyatta na ICC.

..ila ninachoweza kusema ni kwamba Kikwete ni mtu ambayo siyo reliable.

..JK amewageuka hata watu wake wa karibu, ppl who helped him get into the highest office in Tz.

..sasa usije ukashangaa akamgeuka na Uhuru Kenyatta--if there is anything they agreed on.

I do not think he needs any material or moral backing from kikwete. Ni jambo la kawaida na kazi za ofisi kutembelea mataifa jirani. its within the duties of the office. Same can be said about endless foreign trips za PM ambazo hazina manufaa yeyote for the progress of the country that is continually burdening the taxpayer. its all part of their duties of their offices.