Yusuf Manji amshitaki Reginald Mengi, adai fidia Sh1/-

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

Kesi ya Mengi na Manji, mahakama haiwezi kuita shahidi aje kumsaidia Mengi ua Manji.

Manji akishatoa vielelezo vya vipengele vya madai (elements of the course of action) kwamba Mengi kanichafua, mzigo unahamia kwa Mengi, sio kwa mahakama, kwa Mengi, kuthibitisha uchafu wa Manji au kuthibitisha kwamba hakusema Manji fisadi papa.

Au unasemaje, ewe mkufunzi wa sheria wa jamvi, Mkuu Mwanakijiji?

mbona hilo ni rahisi... Mengi anapoitwa mahakamani atatakiwa afanye nini?

 

[Dilunga]

mbona hilo ni rahisi... Mengi anapoitwa mahakamani atatakiwa afanye nini?

Nimeeleza hivi, narudia:

Unakosea na kupotosha kutamka kwamba mahakama itajiingiza kuita mashahidi kuthibitisha madai ya Mengi. Ya yeyote, si ya Manji, si ya Mengi.

Manji akishatoa vielelezo vya vipengele vya madai (elements of the course of action) kwamba Mengi kanichafua, mzigo unahamia kwa Mengi, sio kwa mahakama, kwa Mengi, kuthibitisha uchafu wa Manji au kuthibitisha kwamba hakusema Manji fisadi papa.

Kesi ya Mengi na Manji mahakama haijiingizi kusaidia kuleta ushahidi wa Kagoda, wa Mwanyika, wa DPP, kusaidia kesi ya Mengi au Manji. Sasa Mkufunzi wa sheria wa jamvi, nifafanulie zaidi, wapi nakosea.

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

Nimeeleza hivi, narudia:

Unakosea na kupotosha kutamka kwamba mahakama itajiingiza kuita mashahidi kuthibitisha madai ya Mengi. Ya yeyote, si ya Manji, si ya Mengi.

Manji akishatoa vielelezo vya vipengele vya madai (elements of the course of action) kwamba Mengi kanichafua, mzigo unahamia kwa Mengi, sio kwa mahakama, kwa Mengi, kuthibitisha uchafu wa Manji au kuthibitisha kwamba hakusema Manji fisadi papa.

Kesi ya Mengi na Manji mahakama haijiingizi kusaidia kuleta ushahidi wa Kagoda, wa Mwanyika, wa DPP, kusaidia kesi ya Mengi au Manji. Sasa Mkufunzi wa sheria wa jamvi, nifafanulie zaidi, wapi nakosea.

unakosea pale unaposema mahakama haijiingizi kama haijiingizi kwanini kwenda mahakamani? The whole purpose ya kwenda mahakamani ni kuihusisha mahakama. Lakini kosa lako linazidi kuonekana unaposema kuwa "mahakama haijiingizi kuleta ushahidi".. umewahi kusikia kitu kinachoitwa subpoena au warrant?

Mengi atasema, "Mheshimiwa Jaji ushahidi upo na sehemu ya ushahidi huo unapatikana katika utendaji kazi wa tume ya Mwanyika ambapo Manji alirudisha fedha ambazo azieleze ametoa wapi na amerudisha kama nani, ndiyo maana nimemuita fisadi."

Akisema hivyo, Mahakama itasema nini "kawalete kina Mwanyika"? au Mahakama ina uwezo wa kucompel witness kutokea mahakamani? Sasa Mengi akisema Mahakama imuagize Mwanyika, DPP, Polisi n.k kuja mahakamani mahakama itakataa kwa sababu "haijingizi kuleta ushahidi"?

 

[fiksiman]

Huge support for Mengi’s anti-corruption crusade


THISDAY REPORTER
Dar es Salaam

A STRONG flow of support from politicians and members of the public has been coming in for IPP Limited Executive Chairman Reginald Mengi following his decision to take the anti-graft war a step further and publicly name five prominent local personalities as allegedly the main ’sharks of corruption.’

Members of Parliament, human rights activists, and ordinary men and women in the streets have rallied behind Mengi and saluted him for the move, which University of Dar es Salaam law lecturer Dr Sengondo Mvungi for one described as ’’bold’’.

’’Other like-minded Tanzanians ought to follow suit. There is a need to have more than a hundred Mengis to spearhead the national fight against corruption, which is now becoming endemic,’’ said Dr Mvungi in an interview with THISDAY.

’’The society in its entirety should join Mengi’s efforts in the war for justice because such efforts are intended to free our nation from the shackles of corruption,’’ he added.

He noted that while businessmen tended to be only concerned with their own affairs, Mengi ’’is always thinking about the troubles facing the society at large, because he knows that it is the same society that has contributed to his (business) success.’’

Karatu Member of Parliament Dr Wilbrod Slaa (CHADEMA) - who famously came forward with a corruption figureheads ’List of Shame’ at a public rally in Dar es Salaam last year - also spoke out in support of Mengi’s anti-graft efforts.

He backed the IPP chairman on the five named local businessmen alleged to be the true ’sharks of corruption’ in the country, saying they were all indeed suspect.

Dr Slaa remarked that the efforts of people like Mengi will go a long way to revitalize the fight against grand corruption and sustain the current momentum.

’’He has done absolutely the right thing. He has shown the way. Corrupt elements are not ashamed of their shameful deeds to the nation, therefore this is the kind of treatment they deserve,’’ the legislator said.

The opposition camp in parliament has also strongly supported the move by Mengi, saying the courageous initiative is expected to pave the way for a fresh onslaught against grand corruption in the country.

The opposition shadow minister for the President’s Office (Good Governance), Micheweni MP Shoka Khamis Juma (CUF) said Mengi should be supported at all cost as he has done what responsible organs like the police have failed to do.

’’We in the opposition camp support him with all our strength and mind...in fact we believe that while he has named sharks, there are also whales in the ocean that must be exposed as well,’’ Juma said.

’’There is an intricate syndicate siphoning the resources of this country. We have to fight this syndicate in the manner that Mengi is doing,’’ he added.

The Micheweni MP recalled a Swahili saying: ’’Avumae baharini papa, na wengine wapo’’ literally meaning although sharks appear to exercise control in the ocean, there are other big fish as well.

Juma, who was in the company of some opposition members at the Bunge grounds, asserted it was not possible that the named ’sharks’ acted in isolation.

He questioned the rationale for the silence maintained by concerned authorities on issues of national interest like corruption, adding that the image of the country has already been so badly tarnished by a few corrupt individuals that trying to protect them now would be ruinous.

’’China is making tremendous progress because corruption is not given a breathing space,’’ he said.

He argued that since most of the scandalous transactions and procurements so far undertaken are now well-known to the general public, it’s about time to expose the suspects including those still in hide.

Addressing a news conference in Dar es Salaam on Thursday, Mengi said the country is facing serious problems due to grand corruption and the fact that notoriously corrupt people are being allowed to get away with it.

He said while there are no more than ten people being accused of being especially corrupt in the country, only five of these fit in the category of ’corruption sharks.

He named them as Rostam Aziz, Tanil Somaiya, Yusuf Manji, Jeethu Patel and Subash Patel, said to be responsible for huge national corruption scandals including the Richmond and Dowans emergency power generation contracts, the Bank of Tanzania External payment areas account (EPA) embezzlement, purchases of military helicopters and vehicles, the presidential jet, radar, NSSF, PSPF and National Lottery scandals.

The IPP chairman’s declaration has stirred a heated public debate across the nation and in some online public forums such as JamiiForums |The Home of Great Thinkers, where hundreds of people posted their views.

Most commentators appeared to be supporting the new anti-corruption push.
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Hapa ni mwendo wa MIPASHO HADI KIELEWEKE....

 

[fiksiman]

Igunga residents defend Rostam
By Florence Mugarula

Some residents of Igunga constituency defended their Member of Parliament, Mr Rostam Aziz, who was named on Thursday by IPP chairman Reginald Mengi as among ":corruption sharks" in Tanzania.

Speaking to The Citizen, the residents who were participating at a fund raising event, said they know Mr Aziz as a good leader who has performed his responsibilities well.

They also said the MP hugely assisted in developing Igunga constituency and Tabora region in general.

The chairperson of Nata Village Basket Fund in Igunga, Mr Raphael Kapaya, said they had confidence in Mr Aziz and were annoyed by Mr Mengi's attack on him.

"Mr Mengi's accusations do not hold water since the Government formed a team to probe different corruption cases that included EPA, Richmond and other scandals and our MP has not been indicted in any of them," he said.

Mr Hussein Mohamed Bashe, who was a losing contestant for the top office in the ruling party's youth wing elections, accused Mr Mengi of abusing the freedom of speech by attacking other people without providing evidence.

Mr Bashe remarked: "Mr Mengi has decided to become an investigator, prosecutor and judge at the same time. The country cannot go this way; he must change his attitude."

Mr Hamis Selemani, who came all the way from Tabora to Dar es Salaam, told this paper that his fellow constituents do not like to hear anything about the EPA and Richmond scandals.

He said they were focusing on development activities instead of wasting time to discuss corruption scandals.

"We are only focusing on development issues. I am here in Dar es Salaam to discuss important matters for my village, Mr Aziz is supporting us accordingly," he explained.

Addressing a news conference in Dar es Salaam on Thursday, Mr Mengi said the country was facing serious problems due to grand corruption. He said people who are involved in the scandals do not like to be touched.

Mr Mengi mentioned Mr Rostam Aziz (MP) as one of the notorious corrupt people in the country. Others mentioned were Tanil Somaiya, Yusuf Manji, Jeethu Patel and Subash Patel.

According to Mr Mengi, the five 'corrupt sharks' were accused of involving themselves in various scandals. He mentioned the scandals as Richmond and Dowans emergency power generation contracts.

Others that he mentioned were the purchase of military helicopters and vehicles, the presidential jet and radar.

He also mentioned the National Social Security Fund (NSSF), Public Service Pension Fund (PSPF), Bank of Tanzania`s external payment arrears account (EPA), and National Lottery.

However, all connected with the above mentioned dismissed the attacks against them. Instead they blamed Mr Mengi of fighting a business war and extending vendetta using the war against corruption as his front.
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Haya wandugu msichoke ndo fani ya magazetu yetu imeamua iwe hivyo huna kitu kaa kimya we unafikiri mia tatu yako italipa mishahara yetu alaa!!

 

[WomanOfSubstance]

Kesi ya Mengi na Manji, mahakama haiwezi kuita shahidi aje kumsaidia Mengi ua Manji.

Manji akishatoa vielelezo vya vipengele vya madai (elements of the course of action) kwamba Mengi kanichafua, mzigo unahamia kwa Mengi, sio kwa mahakama, kwa Mengi, kuthibitisha uchafu wa Manji au kuthibitisha kwamba hakusema Manji fisadi papa.

Au unasemaje, ewe mkufunzi wa sheria wa jamvi, Mkuu Mwanakijiji?

Asante Mkuu kwa kufafanua nami niongezee kuwa Kesi hii siyo kama za jinai ambapo serikali ( republic) inatakiwa kuthibitisha pasina shaka, bali ushahidi ni on a balance of probability baina ya mdai na mdaiwa.

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

Asante Mkuu kwa kufafanua nami niongezee kuwa Kesi hii siyo kama za jinai ambapo serikali ( republic) inatakiwa kuthibitisha pasina shaka, bali ushahidi ni on a balance of probability baina ya mdai na mdaiwa.

mdaiwa anahaki ya kuita mashahidi au kutaka ushahidi ufikishwe mahakamani au hana?

 

[Dilunga]

mdaiwa anahaki ya kuita mashahidi au kutaka ushahidi ufikishwe mahakamani au hana?

Mwanakijiji umetokea unataka kufahamishwa ya sheria leo?

Haha ahahahaaaaaaaa

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

Mwanakijiji umetokea unataka kufahamishwa ya sheria leo?

Haha ahahahaaaaaaaa

nifahamisheni tu I'm open minded.. kwamba mdaiwa hana haki ya kutoa utetezi wake wala kuita mashahidi. Na kwamba mahakama haiwezi kumsaidia kuita mashahidi au ushahidi. Kwa maneno mengine, mahakama haina sababu ya kuingilia kati (your argument) na hivyo.. Manji na Mengi wangeweza kujibizana nje ya mahakama kwa sababu kama mahakama haina uwezo wa kuita mashahidi wa pande zote mbili kwa vile ni kesi ya madai sielewi kwanini wanaenda mahakamani.

Naomba mnielimishe maana naweza kujikuta na mimi naburuzwa mahakamani hapa.. ninachoelewa ni kuwa (nadhani ndiyo line ya WoS) kuwa kwenye kesi za madai kiwango cha kuthibitisha hakiko kama kile cha kesi za jinai ambapo you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt. Preponderous of evidence katika civil cases ni chini.. angalia kesi ya OJ (criminal na civil)..

Tena ukiangalia kwa karibu utaona kuwa kesi hii ina mfavor Mengi kuliko Manji kwa sababu Mengi hatakiwi kuthibitisha madai yake kwa kiwango kinachoweza kuridhisha kesi ya jinai..

lakini la pili ni kuwa kuna kesi nyingine ambapo kiwango ni "clear and convincing evidence" ambao ni juu kidogo kuliko preponderous of evidence lakini chini ya "beyond reasonable doubt". Sasa, kama Mengi hawezi kuleta mashahidi kutetea upande wake na kwamba mahakama haiwezi kumsaidia kuleta mashahidi hao ili kuona ni kiwango gani cha ushahidi kinaweza kusimama, sielewi.. mnisaidie wataalamu wangu wa sheria.

even more.. sheria yetu inayosimamia makosa ya madai (Civil Procedure Code ya 66) iko wazi kuhusu nguvu hiyo ya mahakama (Ibara ya 25) ambapo inasema:

"25. Subject to such conditions and limitations as may be prescribed,
the court may, at any time, either of its own motion or oft application
of any party-
(a) make such orders as may be necessary or reasonable, in all
matters relating to the delivery and answering of interrogatories,
the admission of documents and facts, and the discovery, inspection,
production, impounding , and return of documents or other,
material objects producible as evidence;"

Na pia sheria hiyo hiyo kama kugongelea msumari inasema hivi kuhusu kuitisha mashahidi:

26. The Provisions of sections 23 and 24 shall apply to summonses
witness to give evidence or to produce documents or other material objects.
27. The court may compel the attendance of any person to whom
a summons has been issued under section 25 and for that purpose may-
Penalty for
default
(a) issue a warrant for his arrest;
(b) attach and sell his property;
(c) impose a fine upon him not exceeding one thousand shillings;
(d) order him to furnish security for his appearance and in default
commit him as a civil prisoner.

So I challenge both of you to show me where I'm making a mistake katika hoja yangu kuwa Mahakama inauwezo wa kuita mashahidi kwenye civil case na kwamba Mengi akitaka mashahidi anaweza kuita kwa nguvu hiyo ya mahakama? Nakubali kusahihishwa.

 

[WomanOfSubstance]

mdaiwa anahaki ya kuita mashahidi au kutaka ushahidi ufikishwe mahakamani au hana?

Anayo haki na ni juu yake kuwaleta yeye mwenyewe.

 

[Dilunga]

Asante Mkuu kwa kufafanua nami niongezee kuwa Kesi hii siyo kama za jinai ambapo serikali ( republic) inatakiwa kuthibitisha pasina shaka, bali ushahidi ni on a balance of probability baina ya mdai na mdaiwa.

Asante Mkuu, na mimi niongeze, and check me if I'm wrong on this, Mengi hawezi kutegemea Mahakama itoe subpoena kwa Kagoda au sijui Mwanyika, waje wathibitishe kesi ya Mengi. Mizigo ni ya Mengi na Manji. Sio Mahakama na Mr. Kigoda, na Mwanyika. Hao wanaweza wakaja kwa hiari, sio kwa kushutishwa na mahakama kwenye kesi binafsi ya Manji na Mengi.

Now, Mr. Kagoda still lives on Mars, and Mr. Mwanyika or any government official for that matter, you would be hard pressed to get him to come volunteer damning evidence in a private matter btn Manji na Mengi.

Wadau watamuuliza, aaah, kumbe serikali mnao ushahidi against ufisadi papa wa Manji? Ndio uulete kwenye timbwili binafsi la Mangi na Mengi?

 

[Fisadi Mtoto]

Mengi lazima akapimwe akili huwezi kutoka na kashfa za kijinga namna ile ata kama alikuwa ana mambo ya kweli lakini kuna mengine anapaswa kuwajibika nayo kwa mfano kusema kuwa wakifa wao wananchi watawawajibisha.Hio ni kauli ya kuwafanya wenzie wakoe amani...Makelele yenu hapa hayatasaidia ata kidogo,Mengi atapelekwa kizimbani na atakuwa kama kuku aliemwagiwa majiNa kati yenu hakuna atakaemsaidia

 

[WomanOfSubstance]

Asante Mkuu, na mimi niongeze, and check me if I'm wrong on this, Mengi hawezi kutegemea Mahakama itoe subpoena kwa Kagoda au sijui Mwanyika, waje wathibitishe kesi ya Mengi. Mizigo ni ya Mengi na Manji. Sio Mahakama na Mr. Kigoda, na Mwanyika. Hao wanaweza wakaja kwa hiari, sio kwa kushutishwa na mahakama kwenye kesi binafsi ya Manji na Mengi.

Now, Mr. Kagoda still lives on Mars, and Mr. Mwanyika or any government official for that matter, you would be hard pressed to get him to come volunteer damning evidence in a private matter btn Manji na Mengi.

Wadau watamuuliza, aaah, kumbe serikali mnao ushahidi against ufisadi papa wa Manji? Ndio uulete kwenye timbwili binafsi la Mangi na Mengi?

KABISA!
Its going to be Manji vs Mengi - Court is going to be like an umpire of some sort kusikiliza kila upande na kila upande unatikiwa katika kufile documents mahakamani wadiscolse what type of evidence watatoa mapema maana hakuna surprises- court cannot interfere in forcing anybody to come and give evidence.

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

Anayo haki na ni juu yake kuwaleta yeye mwenyewe.

si kweli.. sheria ya Tanzania inaipa mahakama nguvu ya kuwaita kwa niaba yake. Hawaji kwa kujitolea!

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

KABISA!
Its going to be Manji vs Mengi - Court is going to be like an umpire of some sort kusikiliza kila upande na kila upande unatikiwa katika kufile documents mahakamani wadiscolse what type of evidence watatoa mapema maana hakuna surprises- court cannot interfere in forcing anybody to come and give evidence.

labda Marekani.. sheria ya Tanzania inaipa mahakama nguvu ya kuita mashahidi kwa upande wowote ule au kwa uamuzi wake wenyewe..

 

[WomanOfSubstance]

si kweli.. sheria ya Tanzania inaipa mahakama nguvu ya kuwaita kwa niaba yake. Hawaji kwa kujitolea!

kwenye jinai lakini siyo kwenye madai.Au ni sheria ipi unayoirejea Mkuu?

 

[Mzee Mwanakijiji]

kwenye jinai lakini siyo kwenye madai.Au ni sheria ipi unayoirejea Mkuu?

nimewanukulia sheria ya Civil Procedure Code ya Tanzania.. angalia ukurasa mmoja nyuma.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

labda Marekani.. sheria ya Tanzania inaipa mahakama nguvu ya kuita mashahidi kwa upande wowote ule au kwa uamuzi wake wenyewe..

Na hata Marekani inategemea na jimbo na jimbo unless ni Federal case....

 

[Mtanzania]

Manji ameenda mahakamani amefanya jambo jema.. kwa sababu huko atatueleza kwanini yeye arudishe fedha za Kagoda ambazo zilichotwa kwa wizi? Mahakama itabidi iite ushahidi wa Kagoda.... na kutaka Mwanyika na wenzie wawe mashahidi upande wa Mengi..

Hili wala siyo gumu.. Hili siyo suala la Manji kama wengi wanavyofikiria ni katika kutaka kuifunua Kagoda....

that is whats up.. didn't I say time is up? It is.. Namshauri na Rostam afanye hivyo hivyo.. pleaaasse!!!

Mwanakijiji,

Wewe sio mwanasheria na unayoandika hapo labda kwa faida ya kijuweni.

Kwenye case kama hii Manji hata hana haja ya kutoa ushahidi kwahiyo yeye hawezi kuulizwa kitu chochote. Mwanasheria wao anaweza kutoa video tu ya siku Mengi alipotoa hizo tuhuma.

Mengi ndiye anatakiwa kuthibitisha madai yake. Pia mahakama ina uwezo wa kuamua kama ushahidi unaotaka utolewe je una faida kwenye case husika? Ili kujua Manji ndiye alirudisha pesa lazima uwe na ushahidi wa hivyo ambao umepatikana kihalali, je utautoa wapi? Ndio maana ni rahisi kwa serikali kwenye cases kama hizi na wala sio mtu binafsi.

Ukiongelea kiushabiki ni rahisi mno lakini cases haziendeshwi kwa ushabiki, zinaendeshwa kwa kufuata sheria.

Kama mtu anafikiri hii case itafungulia madhambi ya akina Manji, mnaweza kuja kuwa dissapointed kweli kweli.

 

[Pdidy]

labda marekani.. Sheria ya tanzania inaipa mahakama nguvu ya kuita mashahidi kwa upande wowote ule au kwa uamuzi wake wenyewe..

uko sawa kaka;nakumbuka kuna kesi moja niliitwa kutoa ushahidi nikachomoa maana ilikuwa inagusa maslahi ya mtu na maisha yake ....jamaa waliposikiliza mara ya pili nikaletewa karatasi inaniamuru kuwepo vinginevyo nitachukuliwa hatua ikabaki akili yangu nini cha kuongea