Live BBC swahili mjadala wa kuhusu posho na mishahara ya wabunge

[lifeofmshaba]

eti zitto ana uhakika wa kuishi kumbe kelele zote ni kutafuta uhakika wa kuishi!!!!
kama wao wanaona ubunge ni mzito kwa nini wanatoa rushwa kuwa wabunge?

mbona wafanyakazi kima cha chini ni 15000 yeye milioni 2 hazitoshi

 

[Petiro]

Nkamia amederive UKILAZA na kujiprove ni FAILURE. Wapiga kura wake waliuza BUNDUKI wakanunua RUNGU

 

[Mr.Professional]

hi dudettes and dudes!!!
this is my very first active contribution to this esteemed JF as finally today i decided to "enroll" myself!!! JF thence its members has been a source of inspiration to me in the last 2 yrs as I've witnessed people from all social extractions participating actively in difining their destiny. This JF has been a very liable and trustfull source of information and sometimes knowledge as well - it's my magic remedy against nostalgia!
In this forum i have "known" some who are really GREAT THINKERS and others who are NOT THINKERS AT ALL - mutatis mutandis!
In the last few months you have witnessed many people joining your forum trying to tarnish your achievements as a forum, just to be clear I'M NOT and NEVER WILL I BE the KIKARAGOSI of what you ironically call CHAMA CHA MAGAMBA(CCM) for a very simple reason - I have a BRAIN(at least I believe!!!) and it's not in PAUSE so there's no way I can be managed by NEPI & Co!!!!

I know MAGAMBA like most of you and we all know vulpem pilum mutare,non mores!!!

Wakuu salamu kwenu nyote!!!!!!

Mkuu KalokolaVIII nimependa matumizi yako ya lugha umeonyesha uwezo mkubwa wa kutumia na kuchanganya lugha ila ni matumaini yangu kuwa utawathamini wachangiaji wa JF ambao wapo katika kiswahili na kiingereza pekee kwa kiasi kikubwa ili waweze kuelewa unazungumza nini na kuweza kuchangia pale inapobidi.

 

[Mr.Professional]

Nasema bila uficho hakuna mtu yeyeto ndani ya ccm ambaye anauweze wa kufanya counter attack kwa Mh. Zitto ususani kuhusu swala la posho hawa wanajidhalilisha kuendelea kuikumbatia serikali na ccm bora wawe wanakaa kimya.

 

[lifeofmshaba]

Nkamia zitto ni mjanja kama sungura

 

[kalokolaVIII]

Hi again,
unfortunately i didn't follow the debate between Mr. Kabwe Zitto and CCM MP I think you said his name is somebody Mkamia so for that reason i will only express my general point of view not based on the debate in subject. I really can't realize how someone can dare to advocate that social injustice called POSHO ZA WABUNGE, i cant figure it out and my incredulity is alimented by the knowledge of people's poverty especially in the rural areas - in a country where majority of the citizens live below the so called poverty threshold line how can someone EARN in a single month what NORMALS have to in almost a year worse enough WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING TANGIBLE!!!! It's a social injustice which you have to combat by all means as romans used to say "Iustitiam quaerimus,rem omni auro cariorem" literally Justice is the MOST PRECIOUS thing of all!!! The problem of African rulers(NOT LEADERS - i'm afraid we don't have leaders in africa!!!) is after what some people call indipendency they kept very same rules and regulation colonial powers used to oppress our fathers and in some cases they just replaced the word QUEEN/KING with PRESIDENT and Tanzania is a living example!!!
Leaders participate the suffering of those they LEAD - RULERS SIMPLY DON?T CARE!!!! Ninyi mnafikiri kama Kikwete angekuwa ana-care angekuwa kila siku kiguu na njia??? Wamewahi kuwaambia hizo safari zinali-cost taifa kiasi gani??? Hata Rulers sometimes tend to change their obsoloscence lakini kikwete(small letter intended!) hajali - la kuvunda halina ubani wanasema waswahili!!! Wabunge wa CCM pamoja na mafisadi wenzao hawajali na wanatetea dayligt theft of National Income kwasababu waarabu wa pemba wanajuana kwa vilemba wanadai waswahili wakati warumi wanadai manus manum lavat i.e mkono unawisha mkono mwingine the same concept!!! Most of the MPs have one advantage "IGNORANCE" najua kuna watu watanishangaa kutumia neno advantage lol! One of the few advantages of being ignorant is that you can't be ashamed of the balderdash what comes off (your) mouth!!! very big advantage lmao!!!

 

[Nkomoji]

sasa huyu Mkamia ndio Ametumwa na Mafisadi wa kodi zetu aje atetee unyonyaji wa hali ya Juu, msikilize anavyoongopa, Anasema Eti pesa ya anayolipwa kama sitting allowances anatumia kama pesa za mafuta, wakati anarudishiwa pesa za nauli/mafuta akifika Bungeni.NARUDIA SIONI MBUNGE MAKINI CCM YOOTE, SIMUONI MTU MAKINI HATA KWA HAWA WANACCM MITAANI

Kweli mkamia maji hayanywi Nkamia alishazoea hayo tangu kipindi akiwa RTD Sasa TBC TAIFA-Unafiki mtupu.

 

[Mzawa Halisi]

Wanatetea posho kwa sababu wanataka kurudisha hongo waliyotoa wakati wa uchaguzi, na zaidi kwavile hawana wanachofanya kwenye majimbo yao, lazima wakusanye mitaji ya kufanya kampeni zijazo. Pamoja na kuwa posho ziko kisheria, lakini zimekosa uhalali, na serikali na CCM wameshindwa kuonyesha uhalali wake.

 

[kalokolaVIII]

Mr. Professional!
nashukuru kwa mchango wako, ninapenda sana kutumia kiswahili lakini as most of you know, language is (very) dynamic na mimi nimekuwa situmii this lovely language in the last 13 yrs so kiswahili changu kimebaki na vocabs za miaka ile na ninakuwa sijiamini ninapoandika ktk kiswahili that doesn't mean that i don't speak or understand Kiswahili.
Kuhusu michango ya wanajamii, kama nilivyoandika ktk post yangu ya kwanza, kuna really great thinkers humu ndani likewise kuna wengine ambao si thinkers at all - nimekuwa nikisoma posts za watu kwa miaka 2 kabla ya kuamua kuingia so nafikiri sikosei sana ktk kusema hilo - sitaki kumkwaza mtu!!!
Umuhimu wa michango ya watu upo ktk "points" wanazotoa na si katika LUGHA wanayotumia i mean if someone speaks say 5 languages and this someone is SILLY what he will do is to express his silliness in 5 different languages i.e if something is nasty is Kiswahili remains so even if you translate it in Italian!!!
I respect people's point of view and above all I'll respect others' freedom of expression though i promise myself not to open any debate with people like FaizaFoxy as I'm not used to fly that low - absit iniuria verbis lol ( not intended to offend anybody!!!)

 

[kibokogiziba]

nahisi maoni katika jf yana mtizamo mmoja. "narudia kauli ya juma kwanini zito alilete hili baada ya kunufaika na posho za muda mrefu ?' kama kweli sio unafiki wa wazi kawa mbunge muda wote huo hizo posho hazioni ? au ndo anataka kutapika baada ya kushiba na kuhakikisha anaweza kula hata kesho bila ya posho? achana na posho madudu mangapi yanafanyoka na zito yuko kimya?

 

[Bigirita]

bata bata tu!! bata hanyi, anaharisha siku zote!!!!

 

[kalokolaVIII]

nahisi maoni katika jf yana mtizamo mmoja. "narudia kauli ya juma kwanini zito alilete hili baada ya kunufaika na posho za muda mrefu ?' kama kweli sio unafiki wa wazi kawa mbunge muda wote huo hizo posho hazioni ? au ndo anataka kutapika baada ya kushiba na kuhakikisha anaweza kula hata kesho bila ya posho? achana na posho madudu mangapi yanafanyoka na zito yuko kimya?

COMMON-SENSE is not that common as the terminology might imply!!!

 

[Limbani]

nahisi maoni katika jf yana mtizamo mmoja. "narudia kauli ya juma kwanini zito alilete hili baada ya kunufaika na posho za muda mrefu ?' kama kweli sio unafiki wa wazi kawa mbunge muda wote huo hizo posho hazioni ? au ndo anataka kutapika baada ya kushiba na kuhakikisha anaweza kula hata kesho bila ya posho? achana na posho madudu mangapi yanafanyoka na zito yuko kimya?

Nadhani Zitto alijibu hilo swali, labda nikusaidie. Alitoa tu mfano rahisi kuwa Baba Mlevi akiamua kuacha ulevi wewe utamchukuliaje? Amekiri amechukua hizo posho for the whole of last five years, lakini nafsi inamsuta!! maana ni wizi! Its not fair!! Huyo Mkamia kama kweli ana uchungu na hao ndugu zake wa Kondoa mbona hakuwa anatoa mshahara wake wa Tsh 300,000/= akiwa Radio Tanzania/ TBC kuwapaa hao ndugu zake? All in all, rejea Katiba hata hii ambayo ni mbovu, rejea kazi ya Bunge na kazi ya mbunge kama kuna sehemu utakayoona kwamba kazi ya Mbunge ni kutoa misaaada nioneshe then nitakukuwa tayari kukuachia wewe mishahara yangu yote mpaka kifo changu!!

 

[mzee wa njaa]

Nkamia uzito mwepesi kwa zitto sioni sababu ya wao kuhojiwa wakiwa pamoja.

 

[Candid Scope]

Hi again,
unfortunately i didn't follow the debate between Mr. Kabwe Zitto and CCM MP I think you said his name is somebody Mkamia so for that reason i will only express my general point of view not based on the debate in subject. I really can't realize how someone can dare to advocate that social injustice called POSHO ZA WABUNGE, i cant figure it out and my incredulity is alimented by the knowledge of people's poverty especially in the rural areas - in a country where majority of the citizens live below the so called poverty threshold line how can someone EARN in a single month what NORMALS have to in almost a year worse enough WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING TANGIBLE!!!! It's a social injustice which you have to combat by all means as romans used to say "Iustitiam quaerimus,rem omni auro cariorem" literally Justice is the MOST PRECIOUS thing of all!!! The problem of African rulers(NOT LEADERS - i'm afraid we don't have leaders in africa!!!) is after what some people call indipendency they kept very same rules and regulation colonial powers used to oppress our fathers and in some cases they just replaced the word QUEEN/KING with PRESIDENT and Tanzania is a living example!!!
Leaders participate the suffering of those they LEAD - RULERS SIMPLY DON?T CARE!!!! Ninyi mnafikiri kama Kikwete angekuwa ana-care angekuwa kila siku kiguu na njia??? Wamewahi kuwaambia hizo safari zinali-cost taifa kiasi gani??? Hata Rulers sometimes tend to change their obsoloscence lakini kikwete(small letter intended!) hajali - la kuvunda halina ubani wanasema waswahili!!! Wabunge wa CCM pamoja na mafisadi wenzao hawajali na wanatetea dayligt theft of National Income kwasababu waarabu wa pemba wanajuana kwa vilemba wanadai waswahili wakati warumi wanadai manus manum lavat i.e mkono unawisha mkono mwingine the same concept!!! Most of the MPs have one advantage "IGNORANCE" najua kuna watu watanishangaa kutumia neno advantage lol! One of the few advantages of being ignorant is that you can't be ashamed of the balderdash what comes off (your) mouth!!! very big advantage lmao!!!

Mawazo mazuri vandugu zangu ila nukuru za kilatini hicho wengi hapa hawakijui afadhali kingekuwa kimatumbi na kinyamwezi. Kila mtu akiamua kulongo lugha yake kuna siku mama Makinda atawambia wabunge "et cumfratribus nostris abusentibus" wengi hawataelewa maana kumbe ana maana tuvakumbuke vandugu vabunge vasiokuvepo bungeni.

 

[nsimba]

hi dudettes and dudes!!!
This is my very first active contribution to this esteemed jf as finally today i decided to "enroll" myself!!! Jf thence its members has been a source of inspiration to me in the last 2 yrs as i've witnessed people from all social extractions participating actively in difining their destiny. This jf has been a very liable and trustfull source of information and sometimes knowledge as well - it's my magic remedy against nostalgia!
In this forum i have "known" some who are really great thinkers and others who are not thinkers at all - mutatis mutandis!
In the last few months you have witnessed many people joining your forum trying to tarnish your achievements as a forum, just to be clear i'm not and never will i be the kikaragosi of what you ironically call chama cha magamba(ccm) for a very simple reason - i have a brain(at least i believe!!!) and it's not in pause so there's no way i can be managed by nepi & co!!!!

I know magamba like most of you and we all know vulpem pilum mutare,non mores!!!

Wakuu salamu kwenu nyote!!!!!!

karibu mkuu

 

[EMT]

Juzi Mkamia alikuwa Sauti ya Amerika ambapo alichemsha pia: Mjadala wa Wiki: Mabishano juu ya Posho za Wabunge, Tanzania | Tovuti | Swahili

 

[nguvumali]

Juzi Mkamia alikuwa Sauti ya Amerika ambapo alichemsha pia: Mjadala wa Wiki: Mabishano juu ya Posho za Wabunge, Tanzania | Tovuti | Swahili

CCM , wanapojitahidi kutafuta mtu anaeweza kuzungumza issues mbele ya umma ni wakati ambao kichwa huwauma, waliwahi kumtumia Tambwe Hiza, ikawa upupu mtupu,
wakamualika mtu mmoja anakufa taratbu kiakili anaitwa Prince Bagenda, hapo ndio ikawa ujinga kabisa,
sasa wanakilaza mwingine anaitwa Nepi, huyo ndio hafadhali ya Makamba, hekima ni zero.
hawajaishia Hapo, wanaanza kumjaribu Mkamia, mmh huyu ndio sifuri, asiyeweza kujieleza, zaidi ya kupaniki na kutetereaka.