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Kikwete on Twitter with Journalist?

Discussion in 'Habari na Hoja mchanganyiko' started by muhosni, May 14, 2011.

  1. muhosni

    muhosni JF-Expert Member

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    Tumeshuhudia dr Slaa, zitto, Mnyika, na wengine wachache wakijibu hoja kwenye blog na Facebook. Pia wanatoa taarifa mbali mbali kupitia mitandao hii

    Rais Paul Kagame na waziri wake wa mambo ya nje walikuwa wanajibizana leo na mwandishi wa habari za kimataifa kutumia Twitter. Fuatilia hapa.

    JK anaweza hili? Anaweza kujibizana hoja serious na mwandishi wa habari? Anaiweza tekinolojia?
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    Jibu ni rahisi, alikimbia debate kipindi cha kampeni kumwogopa Dr. Slaa, kwa hilo ni mno kwake, mbona atahitaji wasaidizi na waganga karibu, maswali yakimzidi ataanguka.
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    Kaka sijuhi kama huwezo huu hanao? na hamini hata muda hana wa kufanya hivyo!

    Kagame kila mwezi huwa anajibu maswali ya wananchi wake vi you tube!YouTube - worldview's Channel
    na swala la technologia jamaa wako mbali sana , kule komputer kila mtoto anayo mpaka chekechea street ni kama toy, kila mtoto ana chezea na kujifunza!

    Ian Birrell vs Paul Kagame on Twitter

    Journalist Ian Birrell got into a spirited exchange with Rwandan President Paul Kagame over twitter today. In addition, Louise Mushikiwabo, Rwanda's Minister of Foreign Affairs & Cooperation, joined in the discussion. Yes, you read that correctly. The President of a nation engaged with a critic on twitter. Below I have assembled the exchange between the two.
    IB: No-one in media, UN or human rights groups has the moral right to criticise me, says despotic & deluded @PaulKagame / Columnists / Lunch with the FT - Lunch with the FT: Paul Kagame
    IB: Kagame refused to even answer if he is a religious believer. When asked, he replied 'Yes and no.'
    PK: @ianbirrell. Not you moral right! You give yourslf the right to abuse pple and judge them like you r the one to decide ...
    PK: @ianbirrell....and determine universally what s right or wrong and what shd be believed or not!!! Wrong u r ...u have no such right ..
    IB: @PaulKagame Fail to see why you think I have no moral right to offer criticism and opinions. Pls explain further
    IB: @PaulKagame And once more, pls explain how and why I 'just pretend'
    IB: @PaulKagame Although aware of what happens with regard to press freedom and those who criticise you in Rwanda
    PK: @ianbirrell. Ask Rwandans they will tell u I am not what u call me and I am sure they r not what you think they are...! ​
    PK: @ianbirrell. You have no basis for your comments and you dont kno what you r talking about me or Rw. I will only hold all that in contempt!
    IB: @PaulKagame Plenty of evidence - & your statement that no-one in media, UN or human rights groups can criticise you underlines the point
    IB: @PaulKagame Presume this is why you dislike human rights groups World Report 2011: Rwanda | Human Rights Watch
    PK: @ianbirrell. Africa-Rw- will need Africans to work in the lead n in concert with others globaLly who r genuine to put things right....
    PK: @ianbirrell. ....not the likes of you who just pretend ....! ​
    IB: @PaulKagame You clearly stated no media, human rights group or the UN had moral right to criticise you...this is despotic and delusional
    PK: @ianbirrell. You did not offer any explanation yourslf why you would refer to me as despotic n deluted...did u just want pple to believe it?
    PK: @ianbirrell. You were actually just insulting .....!
    IB: @PaulKagame You are avoiding the point. Pls answer why you think media, UN and human rights groups have no right to criticise you
    PK: @ianbirrell. Why did u think I didnt have a right to my argument with the journalist of FT with whom I outlined that arg.???
    PK: @ianbirrell. Is that all u kno about Rw? No need to explain to u anythg? Ask your own govt/leaders to explain to u those same things...
    IB:: @PaulKagame How is there accountability when you shut down papers and prevent rivals from standing in elections?
    PK: @ianbirrell In Rw.we hold ourselves and each accountable indeed to a high level and even deal with criticism honestly,openly and fairly..!
    IB: @PaulKagame And you still have not answered why you think media, UN and human rights groups have no right to criticise you. Pls answer
    IB: @PaulKagame Also I know of people living in fear of their lives for daring to criticise you. And with good reason....
    PK: @ianbirrell. No, the point underlined is that while some in UN,Human rights grps n media criticise,they r not without serious flaws..!
    IB: @PaulKagame Sorry, you clearly stated media, human rights groups & Un have no moral right to criticise you. Not first time you've said it
    IB: @PaulKagame So if media can criticse why do you clamp down on press freedom in your country?
    PK: @ianbirrell....that have to be questioned more often that not ..and dont seem to like it! Probably you dont...yourslf!
    PK: @ianbirrell. It was those that were being referred to...!
    IB:It is great @PaulKagame engaging with a critic like me on Twitter. Just shame he doesn't allow such debate in Rwanda with his own people
    Birrell and Mushikiwabo
    LM: @ianbirrell: how wish the simple logic of "despots cannot produce content, hopeful, n upbeat ppl" would prevail on Ian. Guess 2 wishful!
    LM: @PaulKagame @ianbirellwld u care 2 know what 11.000.000 Rwandans think of Paul Kagame b4 u spread ur formed opinion? 2 big a challenge 4 u?
    IB: @LMushikiwaboHad to gauge opinions of Rwandans when govt clamps down on media, closes papers and silences opponents
    LM: @PaulKagame @ianbirrell: how wish the simple logic of "despots cannot produce content, hopful, n upbeat ppl" wd prevail on Ian. 2 wishful!
    IB: @LMushikiwabo @PaulKagame Don't understand last tweet but notice you not engaging with arguments like your boss
    LM: @ianbirrell @paulkagame Ian what so complicated? can critic but u hav no "moral"(key word)right: PK saved lives, built country n gave hope
    IB: @LMushikiwabo @paulkagame So no media, UN or human rights group has any moral right to criticise? Pls explain why that is...
    IB: @LMushikiwabo @paulkagame You talk of saved lives. What about all those millions killed in the Congo?
    The post is a tad rough around the edges right now for the sake of timeliness. I will make additions as they come and any necessary changes for the sake of easier reading and clarification and list them below.

    Updates (EST):
    2:48 PM - LM responds to IB's request for clarification and IB replies
    Posted by Tom Murphy at 13:56 [​IMG] Labels: Ian Birrell, kagame, Rwanda, twitter

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      Oliver Katoto
      thanks for sharing, i'm very sure international communities working in conjunction with NGOs, reporters and some organization (biz) want to lock Africa into a war zone raising issues to keep us fighting for their own benefits.
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      Tom Murphy
      Thanks for the comment, but I have to disagree. Maybe I am naive here in thinking that people to not intend on keeping Africa in war zone, but I cannot accept that as a motivation. However, I am interested in understanding more about your opinion. Would love for you to expand upon it. here in thinking that people to not intend on keeping Africa in war zone, but I cannot accept that as a motivation. However, I am interested in understanding more about your opinion. Would love for you to expand upon it.
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      Oliver Katoto
      Once again thanks for sharing the full interview if i may say so.
      Normal people in UK, US, Europe look at all the bad things happening in Africa and they are appalled by what they see/hear, eg. rapes in Congo, they want to help, they want those to end... the problem is the system (governments), they have things planned to keep Africa ****ed up (sorry), mind games, secret services...
      We have the UN in Congo via Monusco, spending more than a billion us $ a year and what they do? protect rebel chiefs in government or on the side of FDLR, protecting and escorting international journalists, all access even where no one dare to reach, NGOs receiving huuuge fundings, spending on themselves, and the multinationals getting their minerals out for mobile phones, computers...
      Now you have Kagame, a guy who fought for his people, said to be used by US and UK gov, too bad for me, I lost my family member in Congo, that's war, what do you expect in wars? What is France, America doing right now in Libya, Afghanistan? done in Irak and way back in Nagasaki? aren't they the greatest country in the word after all?

      We had a war, Rwanda invaded Congo, people died, I was shot at, I lost a family member. The war is finished but great reporters want to lock us in the war system, the war mind, make us hate Kagame who is doing tremendously well for his people instead of letting Congo people take care of their country they get locked into Kagame this Kagame that, while reports of rapes get the NGOs more funds, if you want to piss off a congolese guy in diaspora just pronounce the name of Kagame and nothing more, u'll get them hating

      My idea is crazy but it's mine,and you, I don't think you are naive. especially with all the facts going around, although facts should be tangible, they just fly around online.

      I love Congo and Africa, I've sacrificed more than I can afford, sad not many people want peace for us.
      Peace and development.
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      James Chikonamombe
      This is awesome. At last, the possibility to get inside the heads of our African Heads of state.
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      I agree with Oliver.It's not being naive Tom it's just not looking at the facts.Why would NGOs want to stop their main source of income:saving Africa, without it, no more fancy job, no more expatriates status,no more "risky zone" stipend?Visit any of the "war zone" countries and you will see, highest cost is operational not towards beneficiaries! If it were really about ending human rights abuse, there is a serious management problem in all of them! These are the most expensive and inefficient organizations, decades later, same problems and same so called solutions! If it was about "saving Africa",it would be about results,not about sensational headlines.It would be about letting "victims" speak for themselves(and not just on fancy posters to raise money). Most importantly, it would be about the reality on the ground, not the one that is read from nice headquarter offices in NYC, Geneva, etc.

      All that to say,the reality on the ground is not what Mr. Birrell is imagining(yes, imagining because I doubt he has been in Rwanda recently)!!It is a country that is taking it upon itself to rebuild, that has refused to be decided for by international organizations that are accountable to no one(except the most powerful nation). For proof:a. visit rwanda. b.let go of the entitlement to judge without knowledge. c.check this out
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    JK wet atakacho tusaidia zaidi ni kuviziba mdomo hata hivyo vyombo vya habari au kuvinunua kabisa viwe kichama zaidi