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Kikwete Knows Well,KENYA will monopolise East Africa

Discussion in 'Kenyan News and Politics' started by kayundi2, Nov 24, 2009.

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  1. k

    kayundi2 JF-Expert Member

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    Its in public knowledge the secret behind Kenya's too much willingness to have the East Africa community functional today rather than tommorrow.
    The only person who understands the trick Kenyan's are using is Tanzanian president--Jakaya Kikwete.After all,Kenyas economy is fourteen times that of Tanzania and 24 Times bigger than that of Uganda.
    Infact some people say that Uganda's total annual budget is less that one which is Assigned to the Kenya Army.And its also in public knowledge that Kenya's Office of the president combined with that Internal security Ministry is slightly bigger than Tanzanian's National budget.
    Do you know why Kenyan's are pushing so hard for the East Africa Intergration?
    1.Man power.Kenya's University graduates are overqualified and University of Nairobi degrees are considered world class than those of University of Dar.
    2.Uganda's oil.......Who doesnt know that Uganda is part of that ""small province of Kenya "economically? From banks,media,transport,education,manufacturing....Ugandan's lost to kenya long time ago.the only thing they are clinging to is Migingo Island
    3.Tanzanian's are literarly lazy.......its in public domain in kenya that Generaly Swahili speakers are slow in doing things.......and for that reason....wait and see,once the East Afrcan becomes fully functional,every Tanzanian will have migrate and open account with Kenya Commercial Bank as it will the most available bank in Tanzania

    Kikwete has seen this coming....infact he has been trying to tell tanzanian's to wake up coz Kenyan's are coming...i hope you saw him pleading on TV recently......the biggest problem he has is that he is not able to stop Kenya's superiority in the region.He is also a victim of kenya's modernisation.....its said he has an apartment in Nairobi,karen suburb and most of his children have to school in Kenya.

    What should the Tanzanian do......Ask the Southern Sudan citizens.....they know how to handle kenyan's ...leave them to brainwash you and enlighten you on development...Be aggresive as Kenyan's


  2. PakaJimmy

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    Mambo sasa haya hapa!

    Ni kweli tunatakiwa tusiogope Shirikisho, lakini kuna mambo kadha ambayo yanaboa!

    Kama kuna watu ambao wanalazimisha tuingie huko iliwafaidike binafsi, we really have to go against this!
    Mi nishasikia wanasema makubaliano mengi yalifikiwa kwa ridhaa ya wananchi...hivi ni wapi wananchi walikaa kuongelea hizi ishu?
    Tuna kazi kwelikeli na hawa viongozi walafi...du!
  3. Katavi

    Katavi Platinum Member

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    hii ishu tunalazimishwa tuingie huko hakuna ridhaa ya wananchi. Lakini nadhani itakuwa ni darasa tosha kwa watanzania kuamka, nakubaliana kabisa na hao wanaosema Tanzanians are lazy.
  4. Shapu

    Shapu JF-Expert Member

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    mkuu kayundi,
    Umenena yote kabisa. sijui kwa nini watz especially presdaa haoni hiyo crisis itakayoikumba labour mkt ya watz. Kwa kweli kwa wa tz hiki kitu ni kitu cha kuogopa sana. Hatuko tayari kabisa kwenye hili. God assist us. Naona maafa than faida in this issue.
  5. eliakeem

    eliakeem JF-Expert Member

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    well kayundi, were have you been, nice to have you back, welcome on the floor.
    i'll be back then, to give you the fact and figure using tools of analysis on the factless you hilighted above (the bolded ones). we are fed up with story za mitaani mnazoleta.
    nice stay.
  6. Smatta

    Smatta JF-Expert Member

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    Eliakim usilete zile attachment zako za daily nation tafadhali, wacha niangalie hii kwenye sidelines
  7. Bongolander

    Bongolander JF-Expert Member

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    Most of what is in your post has truth in it. Mimi ni mtanzania, if you ask me to hire a Kenyan or a Tanzanian, for 100 reasons i will hire a Kenyan, tumevuruga chuo Kikuu cha dar es salaam, we are generally lazy na tuna uswahili sana.

    But i think Kenyans now realize that our fears are founded. Kenya will swallow Tanzania. Tunajua kupiga domo sana lakini kazi hatufanyi. Having said this, ni lazima lakini mjue kuwa si watanzania wote ni wavivu, uneducated and alike, lakini am against this common market thing.
  8. Juma Contena

    Juma Contena JF-Expert Member

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    Well said mkuu, i do agree with you on the whole perspective. Nevertheless this is where my scepticism lies. Its those advantages that will arouse future problems. At the end of the day Tanzanian is for Tanzanians first, and not Kenyans. So whatever is decided is to benefit us first on our part and not Kenyans.

    That is to say with all the problems we have, we need to find a solution first rather than give up on our people. Therefore the government needs to come up with ways to tackle the problems rather than leave it for the new EAC members to fill the void in our weakness. Because i dont see a bright future for our young adults, when masses of foreigners begin to flock in and pick up jobs, that were meant for Tanzanians.

    It all seems like you have put it that, these people are more concerned with in their personal gains than that of a nation and its a sad chapter in our nation history.
  9. eliakeem

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    Ha ha haaa... smatta, acha uoga, nakuonesha zile link ili uone kuwa you and i as african, we have a lot to do for the well being of eac and africa kwa ujumla. i'm feeling bad to see our people (majority) living in such horrible situation.

    lakini kinachoniuma smatta, you dont think about your people, hicho ndicho kinacho nifanya tusielewane, that's what makes me fail to separate you from the problem. it makes me to regard you as adversary.

    Najiandaa kumjibu huyu bwana kayundi2.
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    I do agree with the notion that maybe by joining the community, tanzanians will loose some jobs lakini what kills me is that we are feaful of kenyans coming here when we have makaburu, chinese coming in droves here and opening all machinga shops all over kariakoo but i don't hear any complains.. when will we africans stops being so negative about our african brothers and instead focus on these leeches who come and suck our blood dry. do you those chinese machingas in kariakoo leave even a penny here in our country. No...they send the money back home and we remain with substandard products and trash...the picture i have i'm my mind is a tanzanian holed in his house looking at his front door and the kenyan knocking while behind the house these makaburuz are stealing the food in his kitchen....lets not be fearful...lets compete as that is the only way we can develop
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    ..Tanzanian elites dont send their kids to Kenyan schools anymore. they used to do that in the 80s, but these days they prefer to send them to school owned by church organizations within Tanzania.

    ..It doesnt matter how big Kenya's economy is as compared to her neighbors. everybody knows that in the next 5,10 or so, years most of the action will be in Tanzania.

    ..ardhi iko nyingi, minerals are being discovered every where, kuna market kubwa, bado hakuna big business cartels etc etc.
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    I beg to differ, wewe unachofanya ni kuwa-provoke wa Tanzania you just another anti-EAC
    1. Kwamba kenyans wants fill the gap...(labour) you have got your statistics wrong...there are also some of us who from Tanzania who finds kenya as good market to earn good money believ it a two way usipende kujisifia ili muonekane mko superior than us..nyinyi (jaluo and kikuyu) hakuna kitu zaidi ya iwizi na greedy kujisifia...polepole nenda sokoni kwenu tumeshaanza kuingia..sasa usitake ku-provoke watu for simple political gain..goal scoring...kwenye sustainable and long run economy mambo hayaendi hivyo
    2. Laziness...uwiii another strerotype...does not work any longer...usitumie hiyo ukafikiri una score matter of fact utawaona vijana wa karikoo wako kenya..wengi baada ya muda mpaka mtazidi kuwazibiti subiri uone..sijui kuhusu mambo experts jobs..maana niko huko kwa wajasiriamali miaka mingi...wengine wanaweza kusema..lakini wabongo tunachukua market (small scale business) siyo kenya tu..malawi, zambia, kongo and kenya..sasa mjinyonge au muanze mungiki style kwasababu ni wepesi ku-burst akili ndogo
    Huyu jamaa ni wa anti-EAC, halafu ni wale haters..why kwakuwa kenya hawana leaders wana kikundi cha thugs wezi wanaendesha serikali wanafikiri that is same with us NO NO usimuingiza president kwenye upuuzi wenu...
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    Jamani haya mambo ni makubwa sana, Next month kwenye kampuni nayofanya kazi ilikuwa tuaajiri senior officers watz watano i,e IT, Finance, Ecomist na reserachers kila kitu kilikuwa tayari hata tangazo lilikuwa limeandaliwa kupelekwa the Guardian, lakini bosi wetu (Mzungu - mwingereza) kasema ngoja aone ratification ya EA custom union kama itawezekana kuajiri aliowaita nanakuu ''intelligent'' Ugandans or Kenyans, tumepigwa ganzi ile mbaya.

    Serikali isipokuwa makini itakuwa ngumu sana kwa wabongo (hasa waliosoma shule za Nkunya's type ) kupata kazi kwenye mashirika au taasisi za kimataifa.
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    Ndugu yangu Bongolander, nadhani umejibu kwa jazba hili suala, na ndiyo maana unaonekana kuegemea upande mmoja.

    Tafadhali uelewe kwamba sisi watz na wakny ni vitu viwili tofauti ukirejea historia zetu. wenyewe wanakuwa na pupa (dreedy) kwa sababu tangu mwanzo wamekuwa wakiishi katika jamii ya mtu mmoja kumnyonya mtu mwingine (man eat man society), sasa hii ilisababisha umasikini mkubwa sana miongoni mwao. wengi sana waliachwa masikini huku wachache wakineemeka. na sisi tuliishi maisha ya kusaidiana na kumjali mwingine.
    sasa hicho ndicho kinacho wafanya wawe na pupa (greedy) na si kuwa wachapa kazi.

    kinachonisikitisha ni kwamba watz wanashindwa kutofautisha kati ya mtu mwenye pupa na mtu anayefanya kazi kwa bidii. wkny si wachapa kazi kwa bidii kama wengi mnavyodhani, ila ni wezi na ndiyo maana nchi yao bado ni miongoni mwa nchi masikini duniani, haiko kwenye orodha ya nchi zinazoinukia au zinazochipukia (transitional countries). Mpaka sasa nchi yao inajulikana kama nchi isiyo na muelekeo (failing state). wamechanganyikiwa, hiyo imesababishwa na rushwa iliyokithiri,

    ngoja nikwambie Bongolander, kny ingekuwa inafanya vizuri kama botswana, tungeseme kweli kuna watu wanaofanya kazi kwa bidii. lkn si hivyo. naogea hayo kwa sababu nimesoma nao, nimefanya kazi nao na nimekaa kwao kny na kuona hamna kitu cha ziada walichonacho.

    hivyo watanzania, tusifikirie kwa ufinyu kama walivyo wenyewe wa kny. kwa maana akili yao yote ni nairobi tu. ukiwaambia nchi yenu ipunguze pengo kati ya walio na wasio nacho. utasikia wanajibu, nairobi utasema london na wtu wako happy, but they forget that kenya is big, kuna watu wanaishi maisha magumu north eastern mpaka mimi machozi yalinilenga. lkn wao that is not a problem, utasikia smatta na nomasana wanaongea we are good biznes people, wakati wao ni wachuuzi tu, wanafanya biashara ambazo hazijasajiliwa na wala hawalipi kodi.

  15. Ab-Titchaz

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    Kwanza kabisa lemmie warn you against these inflammatory threads
    that do nothing but inflate people's egos and shoulder rubbing.

    That said, lemmie also debunk this flatulence that you are spewing on
    us. Hio economy ya Kenya kama ingekua iko hali bomba kiasi hicho mbona
    watu waje Marekani au hata kuzamia Sauzi? Si Nairobi ingekua bomba zaidi?
    Wakenya wamejaa naswii hapa tuna beba maboksi kila kukicha na unasema
    eti uchumi kwao ni bomba?Acha niachie hapo.

    Hio ishu ya kusema eti Rais Jakaya ana nyumba Karen you better
    substantiate it with some concrete evidence/source otherwise ni
    hadithi za kijiweni tu. Tukiulizwa maswali itabidi tueze kujibu eti.
    I hope you understand the gravity/weight of this statement.

    Hio ishu ya kusema Tz are literally lazy itabidi uimeze mwenyewe maana
    its nothing but a patronising, chauvanistic and condencending statement.
    Interesting that you say Swahili speakers are generally lazy. I wanna
    insult you so bad for showing us your naivette or maybe ni ukabila wenu
    hapo kwenu. Aloooo umesahau waswahili wamesambaa kutoka Kismayu,
    Lamu hadi Vanga mitaa ya Kwale??????....THESE ARE KENYANS YOU
    MYOPIC SAD INDIVIDUAL are insulting your own people ama
    ndio kawaida yenu hio?...Is this attitude your fellow Kenyans want to
    approach the federation? Take a step back and reflect for a minute.

    Hio mikataba hata ikitiwa sahihi, the fight will be in the trenches and if
    people dont carry themselves with respect and dignity at grassroot
    levels then kazi ipo!Sito sema zaidi.

    Meanwhile Migingo is firmly in the grip of M7 na usidanganye watu hapa
    na hadithi za Abunwasi. Kichapo mnakula na Rais Kibaki anazidi kusinzia
    Ikulu with a massive elite Kenya Army force sitting duck style in the
    Barracks...or did somebody just whisper in my ear that it is a 'njaruo'
    problem na watu ya 'nyumba' will not assist?
    The chasms over there are
    so huge and they need to be fixed before venturing into these federations
    that you guys are so much yearning for.

    That said we are all East Africans na hebu tustaarabike.


    P.S. Smatta u said you are on the sidelines.Nisikuone hapa :)
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    hiyo isikutishe mtu wangu, hawani ni watu wa kawaida tu, kama interview itakuwa ya haki utaona tu wabongo watavyochukuwa post. Nasema hivyo kwa sababu kuna sehemu (nje ya Tz) wabongo waliwapiga chini wa kny halafu wabongo wawili na jamaa mmoja wa ghana wakapeta.

    hilo lisikupe shida.
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    Yaonekana kuna watu humu jamvini ni wageni na huyu Sparmer Kayundi..lolz
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    Tafadhali kayundi2, dont go, i'll be around while you are pondering on this.
    Nataka nikupe facts na si story za mitaani kama ulivyofanya wewe pale juu.
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    Ndugu umenisaidia sana!
    Wakenya na wengine wenye egoism, wamekula watu wao wenyewe mpaka hakuna state pale, kuna ukabila na ubishi usio na tija kwa mkenya na wananchi wake wako kwenye deep shit..huwezi kulinganisha na kijiji changu cha ujamaa chenye shule, dispensary na maji..

    Kuhusu EAC I can assure you watakaoanza kupiga kelele ni hao wakenya japo sasa hivi wanasukuma sana japo (najua anayefanya haya ni mataifa na kampuni kubwa chache za wazungu hapo nairobi) lakini kwakuwa tumeshaanza kufanya small scale business nairobi na maeneo mengine "usishangae wakaja ku-burst" kama kawaida wanasiasa wao kati ya "HOPELESS" people i have ever meet and so greedy fikiria mwanasiasa anaweza ku-sponsor mungiki style ana ubinadamu kweli wa kujifunza kwake?? NO thank you

    Jamani twendeni kenya tukawafundisha uungwana na wateja wanapenda kununua kutoka kwa waswahili wa Dar es Salaam kwasababu ya security...huyo smatta na kayundi ni anti-EAC wameweza kununua tusker wanafikiri wanazo ...colonial mentality and egoism ndicho kinacho maliza taifa lao wala hawajajifunza ..lakini tunakazi ya kuwafundisha yes we can!
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    Your showing your ignorance.

    Your calling Tanzanians lazy. But you are the one pushing for EAC. Tanzanians don't need and don't care about EAC. Just a few politicians that are blind going for EAC.

    You call them lazy, but you in your Kenya you don't own anything. your doing domestic jobs in your own country.

    Kenyan Land belongs to a very few elite ( Kenyattas, Odingas, Mois),

    The rest belongs to the Whites that kills you like flies and don't get punished.

    Companies belongs to Asians. and Somalis are taking their share.

    What does Kenyans have ?

    It looks like your the dumb and lazy. because you don't own anything in your country.
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