Eric Cartman
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- May 21, 2009
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What the president has initiated is not much of use to us. As you have stated in your first post of this thread, that there were other previous recomendation from earlier presidential formed committees that were not put into consideration such as this one according to you.
Hii ndio maana nakwambia haya maneno ya raisi ya jana sio mchakato halisi. Hii ni tume tu ambayo itakacho amua kitaenda at the branch of the executive responsible of weighing the recomendations.
Nashangaa huko Tanzania inaenda sijui mahakamani lakini the responsible executive branch in this instance ni wizara ya sheria. Hapo ndipo nguvu ya raisi zinapoishia iwapo bunge litatoa mapendekezo ya kurekebisha katiba au raisi wetu kama moja ya nguvu zake ni kulinda katiba na yeye anaweza sema mjadala wa katiba uanze bungeni.
By commonsense lazima waelewe hili tena si pendekezo lao wananchi wameamua katiba ibadilishwe na kama ni wanasiasa makini bunge linaweza anzisha mjadala kupitia 'gov motion' au kupitia 'private motion', mmbunge anaweza anzisha hoja ya katiba mpya na taratibu za bunge kufuatwa mpaka kuafiki hiyo hoja kama itakubalika (kama Mnyika alivyotaka fanya).
Au raisi kama ana nguvu za kuweza amua bunge lianzishe debate through the will of people; mchakato halisi ndipo unapoanza lakini bunge lazima lipitishe hoja kwanza.
Baada ya hapo tena si suala la raisi tukifikia hapo tena inakuwa ni shughuli ya bunge kwa kuwa bunge ndio chombo pekee chenye uwezo wa kupitisha legislation.
Hila kwa kuwa tuna serikali, the executive branch is represented through wizara inayoambatana na huo mchakato ndipo waziri lazima awe mmbunge hili aweze represent the 'executive branch' kwa kuwa bungeni ni sehemu ya wabunge tu na the executive is wide, it needs representation not to mention it is where the fate of gov policies is decided.
Mjadala wa bunge na responsible branch of the executive (hapa ndio maamuzi uandaliwa kabla ya white paper kuingia bungeni) ni lazima uwe na pande zote za uwakilishi kutoka za kambi bungeni. Na kila executive branch ina parliamenatary committee.
Parliamentary committees uambatana na kila wizara (I hope so nyumbani na pia, kwa kuwa that is the case hapa nilipo) na hawa wabunge huwa wa vyama vyote isipokuwa chama tawala inawazidi kwa namba kiasi kidogo.
Pia kwenye parliamentary committe kuhakikisha bado tunaendelea na demokrasia kuna ma expert ambao huwa wanateuliwa na committe members kwa makubaliano wao wenyewe na namna zinatofautiana baina ya nchi na nchi labda huko 'kenya' sasa ndio wanatoa matangazo.
Umuhimu wa outside reprentative from the public ni ku-add a different perspective outside political arguments za wabunge na debate ipate arguments from people who really matter. In this instance of constitutional change you'd expect all members of social group to be represented through religious figure, all sorts of lawyers and anybody whom you might think his/her input is necessary for the good of our constituitional change (that is where it gets inclusive) .
Na mwisho hawa watu kabla mchakato aujaanza wanaweza pewa ripoti ya awali iliyopendekezwa na tume ya raisi au anyother independent body iliyotayarisha kama hipo. Au waka amua kuanza upya kama wakiona nothing on the table gives them an appetite, ndio maana nikasema hii tume ya sasa ya raisi anaweza chagua yeyote amtakae (hila by commonsense most independent committees are done by experts kwa sababu ni mapendekezo tu lakini bunge aina ulazima wa kuyachagua, au inaweza badilisha vitu ambavyo avitaki through committees meetings).
Lakini mchakato wenyewe halisi unaanza motion ikishapitishwa bungeni either private or a government one kama hii issuye ya mabadiliko ya katiba. Na hapo ndipo parliamentary committee inapoanza kazi without the executive interference only their representative. Wakimaliza hapo ndipo sheria au katiba au policy inarudi bungeni tena kujadiliwa na kupigiwa kura na wabunge wote before it is implemented.
Finally I must insist that is how they do things hapa nilipo na hawana nguvu ya raisi, mmbunge ndio kiongozi, hila tuna katiba inayofanana kiasi.I hope nimejielezea vya kutosha hapa tena mi nimemaliza siku njema samahani kama kuna typos.
What the president has initiated is not much of use to us. As you have stated in your first post of this thread, that there were other previous recomendation from earlier presidential formed committees that were not put into consideration such as this one according to you.
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Tume ya Nyalali iliyoundwa na Raisi Mwinyi pamoja na kuwa ilisimamiwa na Jaji Mkuu iliishia kuona mapendekezo yake ya sheria 40 za kidhalimu kuishia kwenye makaratasi tu.......................Hii ndio maana nakwambia haya maneno ya raisi ya jana sio mchakato halisi. Hii ni tume tu ambayo itakacho amua kitaenda at the branch of the executive responsible of weighing the recomendations.
Nashangaa huko Tanzania inaenda sijui mahakamani lakini the responsible executive branch in this instance ni wizara ya sheria. Hapo ndipo nguvu ya raisi zinapoishia iwapo bunge litatoa mapendekezo ya kurekebisha katiba au raisi wetu kama moja ya nguvu zake ni kulinda katiba na yeye anaweza sema mjadala wa katiba uanze bungeni.
By commonsense lazima waelewe hili tena si pendekezo lao wananchi wameamua katiba ibadilishwe na kama ni wanasiasa makini bunge linaweza anzisha mjadala kupitia 'gov motion' au kupitia 'private motion', mmbunge anaweza anzisha hoja ya katiba mpya na taratibu za bunge kufuatwa mpaka kuafiki hiyo hoja kama itakubalika (kama Mnyika alivyotaka fanya).
Au raisi kama ana nguvu za kuweza amua bunge lianzishe debate through the will of people; mchakato halisi ndipo unapoanza lakini bunge lazima lipitishe hoja kwanza.
Baada ya hapo tena si suala la raisi tukifikia hapo tena inakuwa ni shughuli ya bunge kwa kuwa bunge ndio chombo pekee chenye uwezo wa kupitisha legislation.
Hila kwa kuwa tuna serikali, the executive branch is represented through wizara inayoambatana na huo mchakato ndipo waziri lazima awe mmbunge hili aweze represent the 'executive branch' kwa kuwa bungeni ni sehemu ya wabunge tu na the executive is wide, it needs representation not to mention it is where the fate of gov policies is decided.
Mjadala wa bunge na responsible branch of the executive (hapa ndio maamuzi uandaliwa kabla ya white paper kuingia bungeni) ni lazima uwe na pande zote za uwakilishi kutoka za kambi bungeni. Na kila executive branch ina parliamenatary committee.
Parliamentary committees uambatana na kila wizara (I hope so nyumbani na pia, kwa kuwa that is the case hapa nilipo) na hawa wabunge huwa wa vyama vyote isipokuwa chama tawala inawazidi kwa namba kiasi kidogo.
Pia kwenye parliamentary committe kuhakikisha bado tunaendelea na demokrasia kuna ma expert ambao huwa wanateuliwa na committe members kwa makubaliano wao wenyewe na namna zinatofautiana baina ya nchi na nchi labda huko 'kenya' sasa ndio wanatoa matangazo.
Umuhimu wa outside reprentative from the public ni ku-add a different perspective outside political arguments za wabunge na debate ipate arguments from people who really matter. In this instance of constitutional change you'd expect all members of social group to be represented through religious figure, all sorts of lawyers and anybody whom you might think his/her input is necessary for the good of our constituitional change (that is where it gets inclusive) .
Na mwisho hawa watu kabla mchakato aujaanza wanaweza pewa ripoti ya awali iliyopendekezwa na tume ya raisi au anyother independent body iliyotayarisha kama hipo. Au waka amua kuanza upya kama wakiona nothing on the table gives them an appetite, ndio maana nikasema hii tume ya sasa ya raisi anaweza chagua yeyote amtakae (hila by commonsense most independent committees are done by experts kwa sababu ni mapendekezo tu lakini bunge aina ulazima wa kuyachagua, au inaweza badilisha vitu ambavyo avitaki through committees meetings).
Lakini mchakato wenyewe halisi unaanza motion ikishapitishwa bungeni either private or a government one kama hii issuye ya mabadiliko ya katiba. Na hapo ndipo parliamentary committee inapoanza kazi without the executive interference only their representative. Wakimaliza hapo ndipo sheria au katiba au policy inarudi bungeni tena kujadiliwa na kupigiwa kura na wabunge wote before it is implemented.
Finally I must insist that is how they do things hapa nilipo na hawana nguvu ya raisi, mmbunge ndio kiongozi, hila tuna katiba inayofanana kiasi.I hope nimejielezea vya kutosha hapa tena mi nimemaliza siku njema samahani kama kuna typos.
