Je ni kweli Leviathan yupo hapa duniani? Sehemu ya 1

[Damaso]

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[Damaso]

naona wantupia zigo la lawama! Ina maana bible ni mythology?? Naona una utani na wafia dini.

Mkuu nilikuitaga huku sijui kama ulipita maana kuna hadi farasi mtu wapo kwenye Bible!!

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[elmatadorkruz]

 

[Damaso]

thanks mkuu

Karibu

 

[Hukumuzuku]

Usipende kufanya conclusion kwa kutumia lugha nyepesi. Unaposema biblia ni moja ya kitabu chenye j
Kuaminika duniani halafu hata hizo fairy tales zinabeba uhalisia Wa matukio haya kwa udhahiri.

I was just being sarcastic, however, in reality huyo Leviathan hayupo dunia ya leo. Its a mythical, biblical creature that simply does not exist today, if it ever at all existed in the past.

 

[Damaso]

In reality kwamba science au kitu kipi kinaweza kuthibitisha wakati wanadai only 5% of marine organism ndo wanatambulika mpaka sasa?
Divers waliowahi kufanya diving kwenye deep oceans ni wawili tu. Na walidai it is more than hell huko chini

I was just being sarcastic, however, in reality huyo Leviathan hayupo dunia ya leo. Its a mythical, biblical creature that simply does not exist today, if it ever at all existed in the past.

 

[Kisai]

Asante sana mkuu kwa dukuduku lako. Naomba kukujibu kuwa picha halisi za hawa viumbe hazipo na kilichobaki ni kuzichora kutokana na fasili ya maandiko tu.

Sasa huoni kwamba uhalisia haupo zaidi ya kufikirika tu ?

Kwani kulikuwa kuna haja ya kuzichora ? Je wasinge chora ujumbe usinge fika ?

 

[Hukumuzuku]

In reality kwamba science au kitu kipi kinaweza kuthibitisha wakati wanadai only 5% of marine organism ndo wanatambulika mpaka sasa?
Divers waliowahi kufanya diving kwenye deep oceans ni wawili tu. Na walidai it is more than hell huko chini

Common sense would tell you a monster of biblical proportions like the Leviathan would need to be seen by mankind, and therefore wouldn't survive in the deepest depths of the oceans wherein creatures who live in that kind of environment do so permanently and almost never make it to the surface.

 

[Damaso]

Common sense would tell you a monster of biblical proportions like the Leviathan would need to be seen by mankind, and therefore wouldn't survive in the deepest depths of the oceans wherein creatures who live in that kind of environment do so permanently and almost never make it to the surface.

Nakubaliana na wewe mkuu.
How about Megaledon mzee how about Piranha.
Sio kila kitu kutoka deep oceans kinashindwa kufika juu!!!

 

[Kyalow]

Niliona picha ya yule wa tz aliye ujerumani ni hatari hilo fuvu na skeleton yake
Hata tembo anaonekana sisimizi

 

[Janken jr]

Iman ya kihebranua ndio ipi ?

 

[KITUGA]

Habarini za ijumaa wakuu. Natumaini mpo salama sana poleni kwa mihangaiko. Naomba niletee kwenu Uzi huu kuhusu huyu kiumbe ambaye nimeanza kumsikia kwenye biblia mpaka baadhi ya mitandao ya habark tofauti tofauti duniani.
Kiumbe Huyu anaitwa Leviathan. Nimejaribu kufuatilia kidogo kuhusu huyu kiumbe nimeshtuka na kuamua nije tujadili ndani huku maana JF ndo jukwaa huru la kifikria.
Karibuni.
Leviathan ni mnyama wa baharini ambaye amezungumzwa sana katika vitabu mbalimbali vya dini mfano: kitabu cha Ayubu, kitabu cha Isaya, pamoja na Zaburi bila kusahau Kitabu cha Amos. Mnyama huyu kazungumwa sana katika imani mbili nazo ni Wahebrania pamoja na na Wayahudi.

Katika kitabu cha Ayubu 3:8, na Ayubu 40:15, Ayubu 41:25, Zaburi 74:13-23, Zaburi 104:26 pamoja na Isaya 27:1. Ndani ya vitabu hivi kiumbe huyu anaonyesha sana. Mfano tu Ayubu 41:1-8 inasema "1 Je! Waweza wewe kumvua mamba kwa ndoana?Au, kuufunga ulimi wake kwa kamba?
2 Je! Waweza kutia kamba puani mwake?Au kutoboa taya yake kwa kulabu?
3 Je! Atakusihi sana?Au, atakuambia maneno ya upole?
4 Je! Atafanya agano pamoja nawe,Umtwae kuwa mtumishi wako milele?
5 Je! Utamchezea kama ndege?Au, kumfunga kwa ajili ya wasichana wako?
6 Je! Vikosi vya wavuvi watamfanyia biashara?Watamgawanya kati ya wafanyao biashara?
7 Je! Waweza kuijaza ngozi yake na vyuma vyenye ncha,Au kichwa chake kwa vyusa?
8 Mwekee mkono wako;Vikumbuke vile vita, wala usifanye tena."
Lakini Ndani ya sura hii ya kitabu cha Ayubu imeeleza kiumbe ambaye kwa sifa hizo sio kiumbe cha kawaida.
Lakini pia Zaburi ya 104:25-26 inasema "25 Bahari iko kule, kubwa na upana,Ndimo mlimo viendavyo visivyohesabika,Viumbe hai vidogo kwa vikubwa.
26 Ndimo zipitamo merikebu,Ndimo alimo lewiathani uliyemwumba acheze humo." Lakini pia kwenye Isaya 27:1 inasema"Katika siku hiyo BWANA, kwa upanga wake ulio mkali, ulio mkubwa, ulio na nguvu, atamwadhibu lewiathani, nyoka yule mwepesi, na lewiathani, nyoka yule mwenye kuzonga-zonga; naye atamwua yule joka aliye baharini."
Kutajwa kwa Leviathan ndani ya Vitabu hivi hasa hasa Zaburi inaonyesha kuwa huyu kiumbe sio wenye madhara na ni kama viumbe wengine wa bahari na kujumuishwa kama viumbe vya Mungu tu.
Kwa upande wa Wayahudi kupitia kitabu cha Tanak wanaamini kuwa Mwenyezi Mungu aliumba Leviathan wawili yaani Leviathan wa kiume na wakike. Lakini aliona kuwa kutokana na asili yao na namna ya uumbaji wao akamfanya jike kutokuonana na Dume yaani kutokuingiliana kwa hofu ya kuzaliana Leviathan wengine. Hivyo alimuulia mbali Leviathan jike na kumuacha Leviathan dume. Lakini baadaye tena wazee wa dini walikuja na tafsiri mpya kuhusu Leviathan. Kwamba Leviathan ni dragoni ambaye anaishi kwenye vyanzo vya chini kabsa vya bahari ambapo huishi huko pamoja na Mnyama mwingine dume anayeitwa Behemoth. Kitabu cha Enock kinaelezea vyema sana huyu Leviathan Jike kuwa huyu Leviathan jike anaishi eneo linaloitwa Tiamat huku dume akiwa kwenye jangwa la Dunaydin (mashariki kwa Eden)
Kwa upande wa Wayuda (Judaism):
Kupitia maandiko kutoka katika Talmud Baba Bathra kuanzia aya ya 75 inasema "Halo ndipo Leviathan atakapochinjwa na nyama yake kufanya kitoweo kwa wale mwenye haki mbele ya Mungu wakati wa Messiah atakaporudi. Ngozi yake itafanyishwa tent mahali ambapo tukio hili litafanyika. Ndani ya Talmud Baba Bathra imeeleza vitu vyenye usawa na Zaburi pamoja na Ayubu.

Johanan Bar Nappaha ni Rabbi aliyeeleza visa vingi sana kuanzia Babilonia pamoja na Mesopotamia. Alidai kuwa ukubwa wa Leviathan ni kati ya viumbe walio na ukubwa wa kutisha sana. Aliweza kufikisha mpaka maili zaidi ya mia 2 kwa urefu na upana zaidi ya mita 40. Kutokana na maneno ya Mwanazuoni huyu alidai Leviathan akikasirika basi joto lake linatosha kuchemsha maji ya bahari. (Ni ajabu eehh). Na akiachama mdomo wake basi hakuna mtu anayeweza kustahimilihi harufu ya kinywa chake.
Kichwa chake kinadaiwa kipo Bahari ya Mediterranean na maji ya Maporomoko ya Jordan yanaingia ndani ya mdomo wake.
Katika moja ya hadithi za zamani sana za Wayahudi inayoitwa Pirke de-Rabbi Eliezer inazungumzia kisa cha Nabii Yona aliyepewa maagizo ya kuelekea ninawi kuhubiri injili lakini akasepa kwa kutorokea ndani ya boti ambayo mwisho wa siku ilikumbwa na dhoruba kubwa na kuepelekea Yona kutupwa ili wengine waokoke na dhoruba hiyo. LAKINI tofauti na kwenye Biblia, humu ndani kisa hiki kinasema kuwa yule samaki aliyetumwa kumumeza Yona alipata kashi kashi kwani alikoswakoswa kuwa msosi wa Leviathan, kwani inaelezwa kuwa Leviathan hupata msosi wa Nyangumi mmoja kwa siku kama mlo wake.

Katika karne ya 11 shairi la Kidini linaloitwa Akdamut linarudia maneno ya kwenye Biblia kuwa Leviathan atachinjwa na Mwenyezi Mungu na nyama yake kufanywa kitoweo kwa wale wenye haki tu.
Kwa upande wa Wakikristo.
Madhehebu ya kikristo wanatumia sana Leviathan kama Shetani tu. Kwani hufanya uharibifu kwa viumbe vya Mungu. Mtakatifu Thomas Aquinas alimdadavua Leviathan kama jini la wivu. Na kama mmoja kati ya Wale Maprince Saba wa Kuzimu kumaanisha dhambi saba mbaya zaidi.

Leviathan anahusishwa sana na Hellmouth mwenye mdomo mkubwa sana na atakayechinjwa pia mwisho wa kiama. Ni kiumbe ambaye anapatikana katika nyaraka za kisanaa za Anglo-saxon za mwaka wa 800.

Dini za kishetani hazipo nyuma:
Bwana Anton Szandor LaVey kwenye Biblia yake ya mwaka wa 1969 anampamba Leviathan kama kiwakilishi cha maji na mwenye uelekeo wa magharibi. Pia Bwana Anton anadai na kuunga mkono kuwa Leviathan ni kati ya wana wa falme ya kuzimu ila anasema kuwa ni wapo wanne tu na sio saba. Kazi ya bwana huyu ilichochewa sana na maandiko ya kishentani kutoka katika kitabu cha The book of the Sacred Magic of Abra-Melin the Mage. Kanisa hili hutumia vizuri sana alama za Sigil za Baphomet kumuwakilisha Leviathan. Wanaanzia kwenye pointi ndogo kabsa ya Pentagram na
Abra-Melin the Mage . The
Church of Satan uses the Hebrew letters at each of the points of the Sigil of Baphomet to represent Leviathan. Starting from the lowest point of the Pentagram hivyo kufanya neno Leviathan kuwa " לויתן": kwa kihebrania.

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Leviathan ni kiumbe cha kiroho upande wa shetani hauwezi kukiona kwa macho ya damu na nyama ni kama malaika au mapepo wachafu ndio maana kimetajwa katika biblia

 

[Damaso]

Iman ya kihebranua ndio ipi ?

Hebrews wanayo imani yao tofauti na yetu tuliyokariri juu juu

 

[Janken jr]

Nd

Hebrews wanayo imani yao tofauti na yetu tuliyokariri juu juu

Ndio ipi hiyo?

 

[Damaso]

Nd

Ndio ipi hiyo?

what is the Hebrew faith? And perhaps just as important, what is it not ?
It is not Judaism although it affirms the vital and ongoing role of the chosen people of Israel in the unfolding plan of the Creator God, including their prophetic return to the Land of Israel in the latter days. Israel’s central mission is to provide a light and an example to the rest of the world, as a witness to the One God, His ethical Way of life, and to God’s prophetic Plan for the entire world.
But the Hebrew faith is broader than Judaism per se.
It is universal in its scope, reflecting the visionary perspectives of the Hebrew Bible: “Turn to Me, all the ends of the earth;” “My House shall be a house of prayer for all peoples,” and “the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Almighty as the waters cover the seas.”
Abraham is the first one called a “Hebrew” in the Bible. The word means “one who had crossed over.” He had left his homeland of Babylon, his family, and his countrymen, following the leading of God to the promised Land. He becomes a “great nation” but he is specifically chosen because he will teach “his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Almighty by doing justice and righteousness.” Abraham pioneers a Way of faith, walking in a personal relationship with God that is applicable not only to his children, but to his larger household who were not his physical offspring. He provides a model for all humanity to follow.

 

[Tao]

naandaa andiko kuhusu hili

 

[Damaso]

naandaa andiko kuhusu hili

Karibu sana

 

[Bishweko]

Huyu si yule Nyangumi

 

[Dina]

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[Diason David]

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