Isingekuwa ni muungano, hali ya kiuchumi na kisiasa zanzibar ingekuwaje?

[Mpasuajipu]

Mpaka zikitekelezwa ahadi zifuatazo ndio mambo yatabadilika:

Maalim Seif (CUF)
1. Zanzibar kuwa kama Hong Kong – Unguja
2. Kuendeleza mashamba ya Karume- Kibanda maiti
3. Kubadilisha katiba na kuunda katiba mpya ya muungano na Zanzibar- Pemba
4. Kubadilisha mfumo wa uteuzi makamishna wa tume ya uchaguzi Zanzibar (ZEC)- Unguja
5. Kuwaunganisha wazanzibari ili kujenga umoja, udugu na ushirikiano-Pemba
6. Kuwasilisha hoja ya kubadili katiba ya Zanzibar na ya Muungano-Viwanja vya Kibanda Maiti
7. Kuondoa bajeti ya ZEC isiwe chini ya waziri kiongozi na badala yake kuwa inajitegemea yenyewe- Pemba
8. Kuondoa ulazima wa mwenyekiti wa tume kuwa jaji na badala yake awe mtu anayejua sheria-Unguja
9. Serikali kuundwa na vyama vyote vilivyopata ridhaa ya kuchaguliwa na wananchi- Unguja
10. Kujenga jamii yenye maelewano na umoja -Pemba
11. Kutokochagua kiongozi kwa urafiki bali kwa uwajibikaji na uadilifu -Unguja na Pemba
12. Kudhibiti vyombo vya dola vinavyofanya kazi kwa matakwa ya watu binafsi -Kibanda aiti
13. Kukomesha rushwa-Mkanyageni Mkoa wa Kusini Pemba14.Kuhakikisha ununuzi wa zabuni unakuwa wazi na wananchi kuruhusiwa kuhoji kuhusu zabuni-Jimbo la ole Pemba
14. Kuongeza kima cha chini cha mshahara hadi Sh150,000-Mkanyageni Pemba
15. Kubadili vikosi vyote vya usalama na kulipwa mishahara kima cha chini kulipwa Sh180,000-Chakechake Pemba
16. Kubadilisha kikosi cha KMKM kuwa kikosi cha mwambao-Wawi
17. Wazee kupanda daladala bure na wale wasiokuwa na watoto kulelewa bure-Majimbo ya Chakechake
18. Kufuta michango yote ya shule za msingi na sekondari, kila mwanafunzi kuwa na kompyuta na badala ya kuishia darasa la saba sasa kuishia kidato cha sita-Hoteli ya Bwawani
19. Kutoa kitambulisho cha kila Uzanzibari na kufuta cha Mzanzibari mkaazi- Uwanja wa Hospitali ya Mnazi Mmoja
20. Kila mzanzibar kupata pasi ya kusafiria- Hoteli ya bwawani Zanzibar
21. Kuanzisha shirika la ndege Zanzibar -Viwanja vya Kibanda Maiti
22. Kupandisha uchumi wa Zanzibar kutoka 6.8 hadi 15 kila mwaka kwa Zanzibar -Unguja
23. Kutoa uhuru zaidi kwa vyombo vya habari pamoja na kusaidia uanzishwaji wa Baraza la Habari Zanzibar-Unguja na Pemba
24. Kuweka hadharani nambari yake ya simu - Viwanja vya Kibanda Maiti
25. Kubadili sheria ya uwekezwaji-Hospitali ya Mnazi Mmoja Zanzibar
26. Kila mwanafunzi kuwa na komputa yake-Viwanja vya Kibanda Maiti
27. Akiwa rais hata waziri au mkewe atafungwa akiwa ametenda kosa-Viwanja vya Tibirizi Kisiwani Pemba
28. Kujenga bandari ya Mkokoto na Pemba ili kuweka usafiri wa haraka wa boti ziendazo kasi-Tibirizi Kisiwani Pemba
29. Ahadi kudhibiti kuvuja kwa mitihani- Unguja

 

[Mohammed Hamad]

Mdondoaji,




NB:

..Mwalimu alibadilika na kuwa Mjamaa in 1967[Azimio la Arusha] that was 4yrs after Zanzibar revolution.

..kuna nyaraka zinazoelekeza kwamba Muungano ulilazimishwa na nchi za magharibi, in particular USA, kwa kuhofia Zanzibar kuwa ngome ya Ukomunisti Afrika Mashariki.

..vijana wasomi wa Kizanzibar waliokuwa na imani za kijamaa kama Abdulrahman Babu walihamishiwa Tanganyika ili kuiepusha Zanzibar na sera za Kikomunisti.

..sina uhakika kama Nyerere alilazimisha sera zake za kijamaa huko Zanzibar.

Ukiachilia mbali ukomunisti lakini napenda ujue kuwa wazungu walifanya kusudi kwa ajili ya kuhofia ukuaji wa dini ya kiislamu kwa maana Zanzibar ilikuwa ni kitivo cha maulamaa na elimu ya dini ya kiislamu kuna maulamaa wakubwa walipata kuwa zanzibar kama na hii inathibitishwa moja kwa moja au kinadharia kwa maneno haya

"CRUSADE AFTER INDEPENDENCE It was not until recently when the study of Islam in East Africa has attracted much attention of contemporary scholars. But most of them neglect the Crusades against Islam in East Africa, and Zanzibar in particular. It is neglected because such a religious conflict seems to belong to the Middle East, despite the Crusade against Islam is ecumenical imperative in any Muslim country, including Zanzibar. In case of the Catholic Crusade in Zanzibar, Nyerere worked hand in glove with Oscar Kambona, his close confidante and schoolmate at the Edinburgh University, where in 1910, the Second World Conference of Churches (WCC) discussed the threat to Islam in East Africa. It was unanimously agreed that an African Christian is better (for leadership) than an African Muslim. Every sort of assistance was therefore given to Nyerere in order to combat Islam in East Africa after the demise of the British Colonialism.


When Tanganyika gained its independence in 1961, Jomo Kenyatta of Kenya, Milton Obote of Uganda and Julius Nyerere of Tanganyika had a Summit Meeting at Nairobi on June 5, 1963. In this conspiracy of the Christian leaders, Zanzibar was neither represented nor mentioned in this Summit. These leaders unanimously pledged their selfish regional Declaration under the spirit of Pan-Africanism:


We (Nyerere, Obote and Kenyatta), the leaders of the people and Governments of East Africa (i.e. Tanganyika, Uganda and Kenya)...pledge ourselves to the political federation of East Africa and we are prompted by the spirit of Pan-Africanism, and not by mere selfish regional interests. (p. 1). When Zanzibar gained independence on December 10, 1963 from the British government, it became a member of the Commonwealth nations. It joined the United Nations on December 16, 1963 and was represented by Hilal bin Muhammed bin Hilal. But when the new Zanzibar Government declared to form the model of the Islamic State, it was orchestrated by Afro-Christian Crusaders as reincarnation of Arabisation and revivalism of Islamization. They invaded Zanzibar in the midnight of January 11, 1964 under the self-appointed "Field Mashal" John Okello, a militant Christian from Uganda. The objective of the Zanzibar revolution was a Crusade against Islam as Okello stated in his book entitled Revolution in Zanzibar that God appointed him to make revolution for the sake of Christianity. He then quoted the following Biblical passage for his justifications:
Go now, you rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you! Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver is cankered, and rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as if were fire. You have reaped down your fields in cries of them which have reaped are entered into ears of the Lord of Sabbath. You have lived in pleasure on the earth and been wanton. You have nourished your hearts as in a day of slaughter. You have not, you kill and desire to have and cant obtain fight and war, yet you have not asked, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you consume it upon your lusts (James 5:1-6" Source NYERERE AGAINST ISLAM IN ZANZIBAR AND TANGANYIKA

 

[JokaKuu]

Ukiachilia mbali ukomunisti lakini napenda ujue kuwa wazungu walifanya kusudi kwa ajili ya kuhofia ukuaji wa dini ya kiislamu kwa maana Zanzibar ilikuwa ni kitivo cha maulamaa na elimu ya dini ya kiislamu kuna maulamaa wakubwa walipata kuwa zanzibar kama na hii inathibitishwa moja kwa moja au kinadharia kwa maneno haya

Mohamed,

..hii thread ungeiacha tuu iendelee kwa hoja za KI-SECULAR, bila kutumbukiza hoja za kidini.

..ninachoogopa mimi ni kwamba tunaweza tukavamiwa hapo na " wenye dini zao " na mjadala mzima ukavurugika.

..sidhani kama suala la dini lilikuwa na nguvu yoyote ile katika mapinduzi ya Zanzibar, na baadae Muungano.

..pia sidhani kama utawala wowote ule uliopata kuwepo Zanzibar ulikuwa tishio kwa Ukristo.

..Sultani wa Oman/Zanzibar alikuwa more tolerant kwa Ukristo kuliko wa-Zenj wa leo kama wanavyojinasabisha kule MZALENDO.NET.

..Zanzibar ya enzi za Sultani ilikuwa na mchanganyiko wa aina yake. pamoja na kuwa kitovu cha wanazuoni wa Kiislamu, kulikuwa na mambo mengi un-Islamic yaliyokuwa yakiendelea ndani ya Zanzibar kama biashara ya UTUMWA, na UFUSKA wa kutisha uliokuwa ukifanywa na SULTANI na genge lake.

..pia huku Tanganyika kikwazo cha kueneza Ukristo hakikuwa dini ya Kiislamu, bali tabia ya wa-Tanganyika ambao kwa asilia maisha na mila zao ni kinyume na maadili ya Kikristo. kwa mfano, Waafrika wengi walikuwa wana-convert kuingia Ukristo huku wakiwa na wake zaidi ya mmoja. suala hilo liliwapa shida sana Wamisionari, ilifika mahali wengine wakawa wanafikiria hata kulegeza masharti kwa Waafrika wenye wake wengi kuwa Wakristo.

 

[Mohammed Hamad]

Mohamed,

..hii thread ungeiacha tuu iendelee kwa hoja za KI-SECULAR, bila kutumbukiza hoja za kidini.

..ninachoogopa mimi ni kwamba tunaweza tukavamiwa hapo na " wenye dini zao " na mjadala mzima ukavurugika.

..sidhani kama suala la dini lilikuwa na nguvu yoyote ile katika mapinduzi ya Zanzibar, na baadae Muungano.

..pia sidhani kama utawala wowote ule uliopata kuwepo Zanzibar ulikuwa tishio kwa Ukristo.

..Sultani wa Oman/Zanzibar alikuwa more tolerant kwa Ukristo kuliko wa-Zenj wa leo kama wanavyojinasabisha kule MZALENDO.NET.

..Zanzibar ya enzi za Sultani ilikuwa na mchanganyiko wa aina yake. pamoja na kuwa kitovu cha wanazuoni wa Kiislamu, kulikuwa na mambo mengi un-Islamic yaliyokuwa yakiendelea ndani ya Zanzibar kama biashara ya UTUMWA, na UFUSKA wa kutisha uliokuwa ukifanywa na SULTANI na genge lake.

..pia huku Tanganyika kikwazo cha kueneza Ukristo hakikuwa dini ya Kiislamu, bali tabia ya wa-Tanganyika ambao kwa asilia maisha na mila zao ni kinyume na maadili ya Kikristo. kwa mfano, Waafrika wengi walikuwa wana-convert kuingia Ukristo huku wakiwa na wake zaidi ya mmoja. suala hilo liliwapa shida sana Wamisionari, ilifika mahali wengine wakawa wanafikiria hata kulegeza masharti kwa Waafrika wenye wake wengi kuwa Wakristo.

Mkuu ukisoma hii habari hapa chini huwezi kukwepa kuihusisha dini na kusema utegemee kuwa eti mapinduzi yalikuwa initiated na USA kwa sababu ya kuua ukominist ilhali John Okelo kwenye kitabu chake ameandika.....

"We (Nyerere, Obote and Kenyatta), the leaders of the people and Governments of East Africa (i.e. Tanganyika, Uganda and Kenya)...pledge ourselves to the political federation of East Africa and we are prompted by the spirit of Pan-Africanism, and not by mere selfish regional interests. (p. 1). When Zanzibar gained independence on December 10, 1963 from the British government, it became a member of the Commonwealth nations. It joined the United Nations on December 16, 1963 and was represented by Hilal bin Muhammed bin Hilal. But when the new Zanzibar Government declared to form the model of the Islamic State, it was orchestrated by Afro-Christian Crusaders as reincarnation of Arabisation and revivalism of Islamization. They invaded Zanzibar in the midnight of January 11, 1964 under the self-appointed "Field Mashal" John Okello, a militant Christian from Uganda. The objective of the Zanzibar revolution was a Crusade against Islam as Okello stated in his book entitled Revolution in Zanzibar that God appointed him to make revolution for the sake of Christianity. He then quoted the following Biblical passage for his justifications:
Go now, you rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you! Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver is cankered, and rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as if were fire. You have reaped down your fields in cries of them which have reaped are entered into ears of the Lord of Sabbath. You have lived in pleasure on the earth and been wanton. You have nourished your hearts as in a day of slaughter. You have not, you kill and desire to have and cant obtain fight and war, yet you have not asked, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you consume it upon your lusts (James 5:1-6" Source NYERERE AGAINST ISLAM IN ZANZIBAR AND TANGANYIKA"

 

[Nguruvi3]

Ukiachilia mbali ukomunisti lakini napenda ujue kuwa wazungu walifanya kusudi kwa ajili ya kuhofia ukuaji wa dini ya kiislamu kwa maana Zanzibar ilikuwa ni kitivo cha maulamaa na elimu ya dini ya kiislamu kuna maulamaa wakubwa walipata kuwa zanzibar kama na hii inathibitishwa moja kwa moja au kinadharia kwa maneno haya

"CRUSADE AFTER INDEPENDENCE


When Tanganyika gained its independence in 1961, Jomo Kenyatta of Kenya, Milton Obote of Uganda and Julius Nyerere of Tanganyika had a Summit Meeting at Nairobi on June 5, 1963. In this conspiracy of the Christian leaders, Zanzibar was neither represented nor mentioned in this Summit. These leaders unanimously pledged their selfish regional Declaration under the spirit of Pan-Africanism:


We (Nyerere, Obote and Kenyatta), the leaders of the people and Governments of East Africa (i.e. Tanganyika, Uganda and Kenya)...pledge ourselves to the political federation of East Africa and we are prompted by the spirit of Pan-Africanism, and not by mere selfish regional interests. (p. 1). When Zanzibar gained independence on December 10, 1963 from the British government, it became a member of the Commonwealth nations. It joined the United Nations on December 16, 1963 and was represented by Hilal bin Muhammed bin Hilal. But when the new Zanzibar Government declared to form the model of the Islamic State, it was orchestrated by Afro-Christian Crusaders as reincarnation of Arabisation and revivalism of Islamization. They invaded Zanzibar in the midnight of January 11, 1964 under the self-appointed "Field Mashal" John Okello, a militant Christian from Uganda. The objective of the Zanzibar revolution was a Crusade against Islam as Okello stated in his book entitled Revolution in Zanzibar that God appointed him to make revolution for the sake of Christianity
Go now, you rich NYERERE AGAINST ISLAM IN ZANZIBAR AND TANGANYIKA

Let me chip in senti sumuni. There is lots of distortion going on in this debate. The skewed and biased information is attributed by the fact that majority of people don't read enough to find the truth. The misconception that an article by so and so represents the reality misleads contributors big time.
In June 5 1963 as highlighted above, Zanzibar was under Sultan Rule who was strongly opposed by EA leaders for his oppression to Zanzibarian especially non-Arab. I wonder how it could be possible to invite the hater to discuss his own fate.
John Okello was not sent to Zanzibar by Christian! I strongly refute this unfounded allegation. If you read the history of Mr. Okello, you will realize that he started trouble in Uganda then expelled to Kenya. In exile Okello orchestrated some rebellion and expelled to Zanzibar where he joined revolutionaries to topple the Sultan. Okello had trouble with Nyerere and it is believed that, the 1964 Tanganyika revolt, Okello was behind it.
In this context it is unfair to implicate Christian for Okello's rebellion as evidence shows clearly that he was trouble maker even to Christian leaders if you want to put it in that way.

The Zanzibar economy was strong until late 70's when Karafuu lost its glory. Malaysia and other countries with similar climate to Znz revolutionalised the Karafuu agriculture in better and modern way. Zanzibar took for granted that Karafuu will earn her forex without research and development. Nobody now think of karafuu from Zanzibar as there better products in the market.

Whether Znz will thrive out of union is a an open question! However it should be borne into mind that the biggest market for Zanzibar business is mainland. The 40 million market can absolutely determine the trend of Isles business. Recently Znz declared her port as ''free port''. In fact that could not affect Tanganyika iota. The TRA deliberately imposed tax on good from Free port Zanzibar to stop smuggling of goods in Tanganyika under the banner of free port. Businessmen realized that it was expensive to operate via free port than Da re salaam or Mombassa ports. The idea of free port is a myth as of today.

People should remember that the tourism industry in Zanzibar depends to some extent on Tanganyika. Majority of visitors in Znz are the same people who visit Serengeti, mikumi etc. If mainland will develop better attractions to mimic Zanzibar, perhaps no one will be interested with Zanzibar any more. Znz should ask herself, if she is a major tourist’s destination, then why all major airlines are landing in Tanganyika.?

What real embarrass is to note that Zanzibarian do not understand their own position in this debate. If for instance, Okello was sent by the Christian to stop Islam, then why should Znz celebrate Revolution day. Are they supporting Okello's move or deny. Hassan Mwinyi, Abdallah Natepe, Aboud Jumbe are few revolutionaries who are alive. If they collaborated with Okello who is implicated with Christian faith, should we condemn them as traitor?
I wind up by saying, thinking and wishing will not help us expand the spectrum of our knowledge. We need read fox.

 

[Ritz]

tusubiri EAC na sie tunyongwe kiuchumi maana Kenya wameshaingiza benki yao KCB na ina matawi saba kwa hapa Dar pekee arusha na mwanza nadhani pia wana branchi zao. Hawa jamaa wameingia mpaka jinja uganda na mwaka juzi wamefungua branch southen sudan. Sisi tena juzi juzi benki ambayo haina muda mrefu kwenye biashara za kibenki EXIM ndio iliweza kufungua branch comoro tukiingia kwenye hiyo EAC tutashuhudia Equity Bank na nyinginezo zikifungua matawi mpaka mpanda!..................

Mkuu Shossi, nondo ulizoshusha kuhusu historia ya Zanzibar sio mchezo vitu vingi kumbe vimefichwa, Tanzania bara tunajiriwaza na kujifariji kwa kuponda muungano na wanzanzibar basi, tutizame uchumi wetu bara pamoja na kujisifia wasomi, wahindi ndio wameukamata, viwanda vyote vyao tizama dar es salaam yote wameshika wahindi, kisutu, apartments za masaki, mikocheni,upanga.msasani.oysterbay, majengo ya posta, hotel za kisasa ni wahindi maeneo ya viwanda kama nyerere road zamani pungu, maeneo yote hayo mpaka unafika airport uwezi kukuta mswahili yoyote, ukitaka majengo yetu na hotel zetu nenda manzese,karikoo baadhi.

 

[Mdondoaji]

Mdondoaji,

..kuna mahali nilisikia kwamba Sultani alilipwa ili kuachia hilo eneo la pwani ya afrika mashariki.

..labda hao wenyeji wa Pwani, kama bado wapo, waanzishe harakati za kutaka kurudi kwa mmiliki wao wa zamani Sultani wa Zanzibar/Oman.

..Zanzibar napo Sultani hakuwa mwenyeji. sasa huko nako alilipataje eneo hilo?

Mkuu Sultani zanzibar aliingia kama walivyoingia watanganyika karne ya 15, wanyamwezi na wazaramo waliipenda zanzibar kwa shughuli za kivuvi na waarabu walipokuja wakaona kwa sababu za kiulinzi dhidi ya biashara zao Afrika mashariki na kati Zanzibar ilionekana ni eneo maridhawa hivyo basi Sultani wa zanzibar aliishi kama walivyoishi wazanzibari wengine tofauti na historia zinazofundishwa darasani kuwa sultani alivamia zanzibar.

Kuhusu hela zilizolipwa katika pwani sijui maana sina data za uhakika ila kuna wanahistoria wanadai walinunua eneo la pwani kutoka kwa wenyeji. kwa ajili ya biashara zao. Nikipata taarifa au data za uhakika nitakushushia mkuu kwasasa sijui Sultani alilipa kiasi gani.

 

[Mdondoaji]

Ukiachilia mbali ukomunisti lakini napenda ujue kuwa wazungu walifanya kusudi kwa ajili ya kuhofia ukuaji wa dini ya kiislamu kwa maana Zanzibar ilikuwa ni kitivo cha maulamaa na elimu ya dini ya kiislamu kuna maulamaa wakubwa walipata kuwa zanzibar kama na hii inathibitishwa moja kwa moja au kinadharia kwa maneno haya

"CRUSADE AFTER INDEPENDENCE It was not until recently when the study of Islam in East Africa has attracted much attention of contemporary scholars. But most of them neglect the Crusades against Islam in East Africa, and Zanzibar in particular. It is neglected because such a religious conflict seems to belong to the Middle East, despite the Crusade against Islam is ecumenical imperative in any Muslim country, including Zanzibar. In case of the Catholic Crusade in Zanzibar, Nyerere worked hand in glove with Oscar Kambona, his close confidante and schoolmate at the Edinburgh University, where in 1910, the Second World Conference of Churches (WCC) discussed the threat to Islam in East Africa. It was unanimously agreed that an African Christian is better (for leadership) than an African Muslim. Every sort of assistance was therefore given to Nyerere in order to combat Islam in East Africa after the demise of the British Colonialism.


When Tanganyika gained its independence in 1961, Jomo Kenyatta of Kenya, Milton Obote of Uganda and Julius Nyerere of Tanganyika had a Summit Meeting at Nairobi on June 5, 1963. In this conspiracy of the Christian leaders, Zanzibar was neither represented nor mentioned in this Summit. These leaders unanimously pledged their selfish regional Declaration under the spirit of Pan-Africanism:


We (Nyerere, Obote and Kenyatta), the leaders of the people and Governments of East Africa (i.e. Tanganyika, Uganda and Kenya)...pledge ourselves to the political federation of East Africa and we are prompted by the spirit of Pan-Africanism, and not by mere selfish regional interests. (p. 1). When Zanzibar gained independence on December 10, 1963 from the British government, it became a member of the Commonwealth nations. It joined the United Nations on December 16, 1963 and was represented by Hilal bin Muhammed bin Hilal. But when the new Zanzibar Government declared to form the model of the Islamic State, it was orchestrated by Afro-Christian Crusaders as reincarnation of Arabisation and revivalism of Islamization. They invaded Zanzibar in the midnight of January 11, 1964 under the self-appointed "Field Mashal" John Okello, a militant Christian from Uganda. The objective of the Zanzibar revolution was a Crusade against Islam as Okello stated in his book entitled Revolution in Zanzibar that God appointed him to make revolution for the sake of Christianity. He then quoted the following Biblical passage for his justifications:
Go now, you rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you! Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver is cankered, and rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as if were fire. You have reaped down your fields in cries of them which have reaped are entered into ears of the Lord of Sabbath. You have lived in pleasure on the earth and been wanton. You have nourished your hearts as in a day of slaughter. You have not, you kill and desire to have and cant obtain fight and war, yet you have not asked, and receive not, because you ask amiss, that you consume it upon your lusts (James 5:1-6" Source NYERERE AGAINST ISLAM IN ZANZIBAR AND TANGANYIKA

Niliwahi kulisema nyuma Shossi hili jambo,

Tukajadiliana hapa kwa kirefu na mapana mwishoe zikaanza tuhuma na lawama na maneno yasio na msingi but ni kweli hili nalo lilikuwa lengo la Nyerere kuorchestrate mapinduzi ya Zanzibar. Walihofia Uislamu kukua Afrika mashariki.

Leo mie nitazungumza kuhusu uchumi tu maana kunakuwapo na hoja sana kuwa wazanzibar wananyonya uchumi wa Tanzania sasa ndio tujadili vp na wapi.

 

[Mdondoaji]

Let me chip in senti sumuni. There is lots of distortion going on in this debate. The skewed and biased information is attributed by the fact that majority of people don't read enough to find the truth. The misconception that an article by so and so represents the reality misleads contributors big time.
In June 5 1963 as highlighted above, Zanzibar was under Sultan Rule who was strongly opposed by EA leaders for his oppression to Zanzibarian especially non-Arab. I wonder how it could be possible to invite the hater to discuss his own fate.
John Okello was not sent to Zanzibar by Christian! I strongly refute this unfounded allegation. If you read the history of Mr. Okello, you will realize that he started trouble in Uganda then expelled to Kenya. In exile Okello orchestrated some rebellion and expelled to Zanzibar where he joined revolutionaries to topple the Sultan. Okello had trouble with Nyerere and it is believed that, the 1964 Tanganyika revolt, Okello was behind it.
In this context it is unfair to implicate Christian for Okello's rebellion as evidence shows clearly that he was trouble maker even to Christian leaders if you want to put it in that way.

The Zanzibar economy was strong until late 70's when Karafuu lost its glory. Malaysia and other countries with similar climate to Znz revolutionalised the Karafuu agriculture in better and modern way. Zanzibar took for granted that Karafuu will earn her forex without research and development. Nobody now think of karafuu from Zanzibar as there better products in the market.

Whether Znz will thrive out of union is a an open question! However it should be borne into mind that the biggest market for Zanzibar business is mainland. The 40 million market can absolutely determine the trend of Isles business. Recently Znz declared her port as ''free port''. In fact that could not affect Tanganyika iota. The TRA deliberately imposed tax on good from Free port Zanzibar to stop smuggling of goods in Tanganyika under the banner of free port. Businessmen realized that it was expensive to operate via free port than Da re salaam or Mombassa ports. The idea of free port is a myth as of today.

People should remember that the tourism industry in Zanzibar depends to some extent on Tanganyika. Majority of visitors in Znz are the same people who visit Serengeti, mikumi etc. If mainland will develop better attractions to mimic Zanzibar, perhaps no one will be interested with Zanzibar any more. Znz should ask herself, if she is a major tourist's destination, then why all major airlines are landing in Tanganyika.?

What real embarrass is to note that Zanzibarian do not understand their own position in this debate. If for instance, Okello was sent by the Christian to stop Islam, then why should Znz celebrate Revolution day. Are they supporting Okello's move or deny. Hassan Mwinyi, Abdallah Natepe, Aboud Jumbe are few revolutionaries who are alive. If they collaborated with Okello who is implicated with Christian faith, should we condemn them as traitor?
I wind up by saying, thinking and wishing will not help us expand the spectrum of our knowledge. We need read fox.

I will be grateful if you will elaborate more on this part. So you mean Okello was a Trouble maker in Uganda, Kenya and then Zanzibar? Please can you elaborate more in this part so just like you said it yourself that you will help us to broaden our knowledge. Moreover, Can you please comment on this part of history that I got from Wikipedia:-

By 3 February Zanzibar was finally returning to normality and Karume had been accepted, almost unquestionably, as its president.[4] Okello formed a paramilitary unit, known as the Freedom Military Force (FMF), from his own supporters which is known to have patrolled the streets and become involved with looting.[5][6] In addition Okello's violent rhetoric, his thick and dialectic English pronunciations and Acholi tribal English accent- typical of Acholi from Northern Uganda, and his Christian beliefs alienated many in the largely moderate, Zanzibari and Muslim ASP.[7] By March many of his FMF had been disarmed by Karume's supporters and an Umma Party militia.[6][7] Okello was denied access to the country when he tried to return from a trip to the mainland and deported to Tanganyika and then to Kenya before returning, destitute, to his native Uganda.[7] He was officially removed from his post as Field Marshal on 11 March.[8]


In the red I have highlight the path of Okello after being expelled from Zanzibar he went back to Tanganyika and then he was deported to Kenya, and then back to Uganda (But you said he was a troublemaker in Kenya and Uganda). Therefore who is telling the truth here and who is lying??? Can you please answer....

 

[Nguruvi3]

Mdondoaji, let me set the record clear.
The word ''trouble maker'' is used to indicate that he was a person who could cause unwanted situation to whoever is concern. For Zanzibarian he could be a hero but not necessarily to Kenyatta , Nyerere or Idi Amin.

Okello was born in Uganda, then moved to Kenya where he was incarcerated for two years,. The reason is unclear however some literature had it that he started showing signs of revolt before he left Uganda. This is a point I referred to as ''trouble maker''.
He went to Pemba and join ASP, later on being part of revolution. ( Point I refer as ''not sent by Christian as said by one JF member). I went further to say, if Christian sent him then the whole revolution idea is tainted by elements of betrayal since he was embraced by Karume to effect the same. Here I am trying to clear the doubt that Christian sent him for mission.
I said '' It is believed that he was behind 1964 revolts''. This is according to some other literature, but I categorically said '' believed''.
On his return to Uganda he could not have good time with Idd Amin after saying '' This country will have two field marshals''. He pre-empted an attempt by fleeing to Congo. Another point to emphasize the ''trouble making behaviour''

Thanks

 

[Mohammed Hamad]

Let me chip in senti sumuni. There is lots of distortion going on in this debate. The skewed and biased information is attributed by the fact that majority of people don't read enough to find the truth. The misconception that an article by so and so represents the reality misleads contributors big time.
In June 5 1963 as highlighted above, Zanzibar was under Sultan Rule who was strongly opposed by EA leaders for his oppression to Zanzibarian especially non-Arab. I wonder how it could be possible to invite the hater to discuss his own fate.
John Okello was not sent to Zanzibar by Christian! I strongly refute this unfounded allegation. If you read the history of Mr. Okello, you will realize that he started trouble in Uganda then expelled to Kenya. In exile Okello orchestrated some rebellion and expelled to Zanzibar where he joined revolutionaries to topple the Sultan. Okello had trouble with Nyerere and it is believed that, the 1964 Tanganyika revolt, Okello was behind it.
In this context it is unfair to implicate Christian for Okello's rebellion as evidence shows clearly that he was trouble maker even to Christian leaders if you want to put it in that way.

The Zanzibar economy was strong until late 70's when Karafuu lost its glory. Malaysia and other countries with similar climate to Znz revolutionalised the Karafuu agriculture in better and modern way. Zanzibar took for granted that Karafuu will earn her forex without research and development. Nobody now think of karafuu from Zanzibar as there better products in the market.

Whether Znz will thrive out of union is a an open question! However it should be borne into mind that the biggest market for Zanzibar business is mainland. The 40 million market can absolutely determine the trend of Isles business. Recently Znz declared her port as ''free port''. In fact that could not affect Tanganyika iota. The TRA deliberately imposed tax on good from Free port Zanzibar to stop smuggling of goods in Tanganyika under the banner of free port. Businessmen realized that it was expensive to operate via free port than Da re salaam or Mombassa ports. The idea of free port is a myth as of today.

People should remember that the tourism industry in Zanzibar depends to some extent on Tanganyika. Majority of visitors in Znz are the same people who visit Serengeti, mikumi etc. If mainland will develop better attractions to mimic Zanzibar, perhaps no one will be interested with Zanzibar any more. Znz should ask herself, if she is a major tourist's destination, then why all major airlines are landing in Tanganyika.?

What real embarrass is to note that Zanzibarian do not understand their own position in this debate. If for instance, Okello was sent by the Christian to stop Islam, then why should Znz celebrate Revolution day. Are they supporting Okello's move or deny. Hassan Mwinyi, Abdallah Natepe, Aboud Jumbe are few revolutionaries who are alive. If they collaborated with Okello who is implicated with Christian faith, should we condemn them as traitor?
I wind up by saying, thinking and wishing will not help us expand the spectrum of our knowledge. We need read fox.

Sielewi nimuamini nani Okello aliesema sema kwenye kitabu alichokiandika yeye mwenyewe cha Revolution in Zanzibar nakusema "God appointed him to make revolution for the sake of Christianity" au wewe unaekanusha........... kaaazi kwelikweli!

 

[Mohammed Hamad]

Niliwahi kulisema nyuma Shossi hili jambo,

Tukajadiliana hapa kwa kirefu na mapana mwishoe zikaanza tuhuma na lawama na maneno yasio na msingi but ni kweli hili nalo lilikuwa lengo la Nyerere kuorchestrate mapinduzi ya Zanzibar. Walihofia Uislamu kukua Afrika mashariki.

Leo mie nitazungumza kuhusu uchumi tu maana kunakuwapo na hoja sana kuwa wazanzibar wananyonya uchumi wa Tanzania sasa ndio tujadili vp na wapi.

Nadhani wengi wetu hawafahamu ushiriki wa Zanzibar kwenye uanzishwaji wa benki kuu ya Tanzania ambayo ndio inayosimamia safaru na mipango ya kiuchumi Tanzania. Hatufahamu kuwa Wazanzibari walijikuta wanakwamishwa na Katiba ya Muda ya Tanzania. Mambo ya sarafu na mabenki hayakua miongoni mwa shughuli za Muungano, hivyo isingekua sawa kwa Serikali ya Muungano kuwakilisha Zanzibar kwenye Bodi. Ndipo ulipofanywa ujaambazi wa kuingiza sarafu na mabenki kwenye shughuli za Muungano. Kwa kutumia Interim Constitution of Tanzania of 1965, Act No. 43 of 1965, Mwalimu Nyerere alipeleka Bungeni nyongeza ya kifungu kidogo na. XII kinachohusu masuala ya fedha, mabenki, sarafu, fedha za kigeni na kuwa katika orodha ya mambo ya Muungano (kinyume na makubaliano ya Muungano). Gazeti la Serikali ya Mungano la tarehe 18 Juni 1965 ndilo lililotangaza kufanyika marekebisho hayo ambayo ni kinyume kabisa na makubaliano ya Muungano, Baada ya kufanyika marekebisho hayo, waziri wa Fedha wa wakati ule, Amir A. Jamal, alimuandikia barua (kumb. Na.TYC 46/01 ya tarehe 22 machi, 1966) Mwenyekiti wa Bodi ya Sarafu ya Afrika Mashariki na kumuagiza kwamba haki zote za Zanzibar zilizokuwemo katika Bodi, hiyo zilipelekwe katika Serikali ya Muungano na kwamba kuanzia pale ni Gavana wa Benki kuu ya Tanzania ndiye tu ataeiwakilisha Tanzania.

Kwa hivyo, katika Benki Kuu ya Tanzania kuna mchango wa Serikali ya Zanzibar ambao kwa muda mrefu Serikali ya Zanzibar ilipokua ikidai ilipata hujuma eti inahatarisha Muungano.

 

[Nguruvi3]

Sielewi nimuamini nani Okello aliesema sema kwenye kitabu alichokiandika yeye mwenyewe cha Revolution in Zanzibar nakusema "God appointed him to make revolution for the sake of Christianity" au wewe unaekanusha........... kaaazi kwelikweli!

Hapa ndipo kuna misconception kubwa sana, na hii inatokea pande zote. Okello alikuwa mtu wa dini ya kikristo na kama aliyasema maneno hayo si dhani kuwa kuna sababu ya ku-extrapolate kuwa kanisa limemtuma. Utamaduni huu wa kuchukua maneno eti kwa vile fulani wa dini fulani kasema unaonekana kuchukua njia mbaya.
Shossi, hivi karibuni Sheikh Khalifa alisema kumlipa RA Dowans/Rich ni halali. Sijui tuichukulie kauli hiyo kama katumwa na waislamu!
Mimi namjua huyu bwana vizuri sana toka enzi za Kassim Juma, huyu ni opportunist, yaani yeye ni mtu wa katumwa na kukatiwa kitu. Sikubaliani hata kidogo kuwa kauli ya mtu mmoja inaweza kuwa kauli ya umma.
Kama amesema kanisa lilimtuma na ushahidi upo wa kanisa kumtuma hapo ni jambo lingine, kama vile sheikh Khalifa atakaposema waislam wamemtuma tena kwa ushahidi. Vinginevyo tuwachulie hawa kama watu na imani zao na kauli zao si kauli za umma.
Askofu kilaini alisema JK chaguo la mungu, kanisa likakanusha, kwahivyo hiyo imebaki kuwa kauli ya kilain ambaye ni askofu

 

[Mohammed Hamad]

Hapa ndipo kuna misconception kubwa sana, na hii inatokea pande zote. Okello alikuwa mtu wa dini ya kikristo na kama aliyasema maneno hayo si dhani kuwa kuna sababu ya ku-extrapolate kuwa kanisa limemtuma. Utamaduni huu wa kuchukua maneno eti kwa vile fulani wa dini fulani kasema unaonekana kuchukua njia mbaya.
Shossi, hivi karibuni Sheikh Khalifa alisema kumlipa RA Dowans/Rich ni halali. Sijui tuichukulie kauli hiyo kama katumwa na waislamu!
Mimi namjua huyu bwana vizuri sana toka enzi za Kassim Juma, huyu ni opportunist, yaani yeye ni mtu wa katumwa na kukatiwa kitu. Sikubaliani hata kidogo kuwa kauli ya mtu mmoja inaweza kuwa kauli ya umma.
Kama amesema kanisa lilimtuma na ushahidi upo wa kanisa kumtuma hapo ni jambo lingine, kama vile sheikh Khalifa atakaposema waislam wamemtuma tena kwa ushahidi. Vinginevyo tuwachulie hawa kama watu na imani zao na kauli zao si kauli za umma.
Askofu kilaini alisema JK chaguo la mungu, kanisa likakanusha, kwahivyo hiyo imebaki kuwa kauli ya kilain ambaye ni askofu

Kuna ukweli kwenye baadhi ya mambo kwahiyo sidhani kama kubishana kutajenga hoja. back to the point tuzungumzie uchumi wa Zanzibar baada na kabla ya Muungano je unafahamu ya kuwa ukweli wa mambo ni kwamba Zanzibar ina hisa za kulipwa (paid shares) katika BOT. Mchango huo uliotoka EACB.? Ambao ulimezwa na Tanganyika na kuingizwa katika mtaji wa kuanzisha Benki ya Tanzania (BOT)?

 

[Mdondoaji]

Mdondoaji, let me set the record clear.
The word ''trouble maker'' is used to indicate that he was a person who could cause unwanted situation to whoever is concern. For Zanzibarian he could be a hero but not necessarily to Kenyatta , Nyerere or Idi Amin.

Okello was born in Uganda, then moved to Kenya where he was incarcerated for two years,. The reason is unclear however some literature had it that he started showing signs of revolt before he left Uganda. This is a point I referred to as ''trouble maker''.
He went to Pemba and join ASP, later on being part of revolution. ( Point I refer as ''not sent by Christian as said by one JF member). I went further to say, if Christian sent him then the whole revolution idea is tainted by elements of betrayal since he was embraced by Karume to effect the same. Here I am trying to clear the doubt that Christian sent him for mission.
I said '' It is believed that he was behind 1964 revolts''. This is according to some other literature, but I categorically said '' believed''.
On his return to Uganda he could not have good time with Idd Amin after saying '' This country will have two field marshals''. He pre-empted an attempt by fleeing to Congo. Another point to emphasize the ''trouble making behaviour''

Thanks

Thank you for providing some additional input, just an additional question can you please commented on this paragraph:-

The highly religious Okello was convinced he had been given orders in his dreams by God to break the powerful position of the Arabs and to found the revolutionary state on Zanzibar and Pemba. On the night before the "revolution", Okello gave his men the order to kill all Arabs between 18 and 25 years of age, to spare pregnant and elderly women, and not to rape virgins.

Further, By 3 February Zanzibar was finally returning to normality and Karume had been accepted, almost unquestionably, as its president.[4] Okello formed a paramilitary unit, known as the Freedom Military Force (FMF), from his own supporters which is known to have patrolled the streets and become involved with looting.[5][6] In addition Okello's violent rhetoric, his thick and dialectic English pronunciations and Acholi tribal English accent- typical of Acholi from Northern Uganda, and his Christian beliefs alienated many in the largely moderate, Zanzibari and Muslim ASP.[7] By March many of his FMF had been disarmed by Karume's supporters and an Umma Party militia.[6][7] Okello was denied access to the country when he tried to return from a trip to the mainland and deported to Tanganyika and then to Kenya before returning, destitute, to his native Uganda.[7] He was officially removed from his post as Field Marshal on 11 March.[8]


Tuelimishe mkuu

 

[Mdondoaji]

Nadhani wengi wetu hawafahamu ushiriki wa Zanzibar kwenye uanzishwaji wa benki kuu ya Tanzania ambayo ndio inayosimamia safaru na mipango ya kiuchumi Tanzania. Hatufahamu kuwa Wazanzibari walijikuta wanakwamishwa na Katiba ya Muda ya Tanzania. Mambo ya sarafu na mabenki hayakua miongoni mwa shughuli za Muungano, hivyo isingekua sawa kwa Serikali ya Muungano kuwakilisha Zanzibar kwenye Bodi. Ndipo ulipofanywa ujaambazi wa kuingiza sarafu na mabenki kwenye shughuli za Muungano. Kwa kutumia Interim Constitution of Tanzania of 1965, Act No. 43 of 1965, Mwalimu Nyerere alipeleka Bungeni nyongeza ya kifungu kidogo na. XII kinachohusu masuala ya fedha, mabenki, sarafu, fedha za kigeni na kuwa katika orodha ya mambo ya Muungano (kinyume na makubaliano ya Muungano). Gazeti la Serikali ya Mungano la tarehe 18 Juni 1965 ndilo lililotangaza kufanyika marekebisho hayo ambayo ni kinyume kabisa na makubaliano ya Muungano, Baada ya kufanyika marekebisho hayo, waziri wa Fedha wa wakati ule, Amir A. Jamal, alimuandikia barua (kumb. Na.TYC 46/01 ya tarehe 22 machi, 1966) Mwenyekiti wa Bodi ya Sarafu ya Afrika Mashariki na kumuagiza kwamba haki zote za Zanzibar zilizokuwemo katika Bodi, hiyo zilipelekwe katika Serikali ya Muungano na kwamba kuanzia pale ni Gavana wa Benki kuu ya Tanzania ndiye tu ataeiwakilisha Tanzania.

Kwa hivyo, katika Benki Kuu ya Tanzania kuna mchango wa Serikali ya Zanzibar ambao kwa muda mrefu Serikali ya Zanzibar ilipokua ikidai ilipata hujuma eti inahatarisha Muungano.

The ryal (Arabic: ريال&#8206 was the currency of Zanzibar between 1882 and 1908. It was subdivided into 136 pysa and circulated alongside the Indian rupee and Maria Theresa thaler. The ryal was replaced by the rupee at 2⅛ rupees = 1 ryal.
[edit] Coins

In 1882 (A.H. 1299), coins were introduced in denominations of 1 pysa, ¼, ½, 1, 2½ and 5 ryals. The pysa was struck in copper, with the ¼, ½ and 1 ryal in silver and the 2½ and 5 ryals struck in gold. Further 1 pysa coins were struck in 1887 (A.H. 1304) but no more silver or gold pieces were ever struck.


The rupee replaced the Zanzibari ryal at a rate of 2⅛ rupees = 1 ryal and was equivalent to the Indian rupee, which was also in circulation. The Zanzibari rupee remained equal to the Indian rupee and was replaced on January 1, 1936, by the East African shilling at the rate of 1½ East African shillings = 1 Zanzibari rupee.

 

[Nguruvi3]

Nitajibu ya Shossi na mdondoaji kwa pamoja.
Mimi sina sababu ya kutetea Christians, ninachotaka ni kusaidia watu kuelewa kuwa kila jambo lazima liwe na evidence, tusiende kwa hisia tu. Okello alijitanganza Field Marshal, swali ni kuwa alipewa na nani huo u-field marshal. Sasa kwasababu kaandika katika kitabu chake basi ndio tumeze bila kufikiri hata kidogo!
Okello alikuwa mkereketwa wa dini ya Kikristo tangu anatoka uganda hadi anarudi. Maneno anyosema kuwa ametumwa kuwaokoa wala siyakatai, na kuwa aliua Waarabu wala sikatati kwasababu baada ya mapinduzi hakukuwa na dini ilikuwa ni panga kichwani, na ilifanywa na wanamapinduzi wote si Okello peke yake. Sasa kama aliua waarabu hiyo siyo evidence kuwa ametumwa na kanisa. Kama ni hivyo provide substantial evidence. Kumbuka Waarabu hao ndio walipeleka waafrika utumwani, sasa tuseme walitumwa na waislamu au uislam.

Kuhusu share BoT please provide evidence zilikuwa na thamani gani ili tuweze kupata mahali pa kuanzia mjadala. Lakini kumbuka kuwa tulikuwa na EA common currency hadi mwaka 1966, na baada ya hapo tukawa na monetary collaboration kwasababu ya EAC, lakini kila nchi ilikuwa na Central bank yake (Angalia lini BoT ilianzishwa).
Zanzibar haijawahi kuwa independent member wa EA FYI.
Hata kama share zipo bado kuna mambo mengi sana BOT imeyfanya makubwa kuliko hizo share. Znz wakati wa komandoo ilifikia mahali ina collapse, mishahara yote BoT, na hivi tunavojadiliana Znz wanapata umeme buree miaka nenda rudi, wanalipiwa na kodi za wabara, huu ni ukweli si masimango. Mwaka jana kifaa kilipoharibika ilichukua miezi 3 na 5 miliion US$ kutoka BoT baada ya SMZ Kukwama, Muulize Shamsi vua Naohadha. Sasa sijui hizo share ni kiasi gani na zenye thamani gani. anyway tujadiliane

 

[Mohammed Hamad]

Nitajibu ya Shossi na mdondoaji kwa pamoja.
Mimi sina sababu ya kutetea Christians, ninachotaka ni kusaidia watu kuelewa kuwa kila jambo lazima liwe na evidence, tusiende kwa hisia tu. Okello alijitanganza Field Marshal, swali ni kuwa alipewa na nani huo u-field marshal. Sasa kwasababu kaandika katika kitabu chake basi ndio tumeze bila kufikiri hata kidogo!
Okello alikuwa mkereketwa wa dini ya Kikristo tangu anatoka uganda hadi anarudi. Maneno anyosema kuwa ametumwa kuwaokoa wala siyakatai, na kuwa aliua Waarabu wala sikatati kwasababu baada ya mapinduzi hakukuwa na dini ilikuwa ni panga kichwani, na ilifanywa na wanamapinduzi wote si Okello peke yake. Sasa kama aliua waarabu hiyo siyo evidence kuwa ametumwa na kanisa. Kama ni hivyo provide substantial evidence. Kumbuka Waarabu hao ndio walipeleka waafrika utumwani, sasa tuseme walitumwa na waislamu au uislam.

Kuhusu share BoT please provide evidence zilikuwa na thamani gani ili tuweze kupata mahali pa kuanzia mjadala. Lakini kumbuka kuwa tulikuwa na EA common currency hadi mwaka 1966, na baada ya hapo tukawa na monetary collaboration kwasababu ya EAC, lakini kila nchi ilikuwa na Central bank yake (Angalia lini BoT ilianzishwa).
Zanzibar haijawahi kuwa independent member wa EA FYI.
Hata kama share zipo bado kuna mambo mengi sana BOT imeyfanya makubwa kuliko hizo share. Znz wakati wa komandoo ilifikia mahali ina collapse, mishahara yote BoT, na hivi tunavojadiliana Znz wanapata umeme buree miaka nenda rudi, wanalipiwa na kodi za wabara, huu ni ukweli si masimango. Mwaka jana kifaa kilipoharibika ilichukua miezi 3 na 5 miliion US$ kutoka BoT baada ya SMZ Kukwama, Muulize Shamsi vua Naohadha. Sasa sijui hizo share ni kiasi gani na zenye thamani gani. anyway tujadiliane

Naomba nifunge mjadala kwa kukuomba usome hii link niliwahi kuzisoma habari hizi kwenye gazeti la Dira lilokuwa likitoka kila wiki na kupigwa marufuku. Zanzibar imekufa dungu msokoni | MZALENDO.NET

 

[Nguruvi3]

Shossi, hakuna sababu ya kufunga civil discussion, inatusaidia wote kuelewa. Kuna jambo moja ambalo linawasumbua sana Wazanzibar.
Ni wepesi wa kusoma maandiko na kuyakubali ili mradi yanakidhi haja zao. Kama hizo data ni kweli bila ya kusikia upande wa Amir Jamal au Tanganyika, for the sake of this discussion let it be.
Swali langu kwa Wznz ni kuwa ni nini hasa wanachodhani hawatendewi haki au lau kama wangekipata matatizo yao yangekwisha??
Ni nini hasa malamiko ya zanzibar katika muungano?
Tuendelee kuanzia hapo

 

[Mdondoaji]

Naomba nifunge mjadala kwa kukuomba usome hii link niliwahi kuzisoma habari hizi kwenye gazeti la Dira lilokuwa likitoka kila wiki na kupigwa marufuku. Zanzibar imekufa dungu msokoni | MZALENDO.NET

Shossi,

Asante sana hasa katika hii figure hapa niliwahi kumuuliza mheshimiwa mmoja kuwa kwanini Zanzibar inalipwa 4.5% akanijibu nimuulize Nyerere (wakati bado yupo hai). Kuna hii figure hapa nimeiulizia sana BOT inaelekea nyaraka zimefichwa au zimechomwa moto ila hili deni lipo na serikali ya Tanzania ililimaliza hili deni kiubabe:-

Hatimaye walifanikiwa kutekeleza azma yao hiyo na Zanzibar ikawa haina mwakilishi kwenye Bodi ya sarafu. Bahati njema, hesabu na mgao wa faida (dividend) zilibaki kwa jina la Zanzibar na Tanganyika, ingawa ililipwa Serikali ya Muungano wa Tanzania. Haki hiyo ya Zanzibar, ambayo iliwasilishwa kwa Serilkali ya Muungano na kutolipwa Zanzibar, ilifikia zaidi ya (Pauni za Kiingereza) £ 950,000. Pesa nyingi kwa wakati ule. Tanganyika walimega donge nono hilo na kunyamaza kimya huku wakidai mchango wa Zanzibar kwenye shughuli za Muungano.

Je tunaomba waheshimiwa wakanushe hili jambo lipo au halipo? na Tunaomba kujua mchango wa Zanzibar BOT ulikuwa bei gani?

Kimahesabu:-
£950,000 in 1950s excluding interest toka wakati ule mpaka sasa ni kama bei gani?
1£ in 1950 is equivalent to purchasing power yake now is equivalent to £21.
= 950,000 x 21 = £19,950,000 excluding interest?

tuseme Tanganyika ilikuwa na interest ya 0.01 per annum

Zanzibar inawadai serikali ya Tanganyika almost Trilioni Shillings je ziko wapi?