Instantaneous action at a distance

[Pundit]

Pundit

tell me more about Einstein's theory of relativity before I proceed to confusing you.

Wikipedia wamesema

In physics, special relativity is a fundamental theory about the structure of space and time, developed by Albert Einstein in 1905.[1] This theory revolutionized the fundamental understanding of physical quantities such as space, time, momentum, energy, and mass.

Now I do not claim to fully grasp relativity, for even a hundred years after it's introduction, it is perplexing not only to the lay enthusiast, but also to specialists.

But nevertheless I took an interest in it to know the basics at least. To understand relativity one has to understand the difference between the Einstenian world (relativity) and the classical Newtonian world.

In the classical Newtonian world, things are absolute, there is one ticking clock for the entire universe that synchonizes time all over the universe, masses are also absolute and so are lenghts.

The Newtonian concepts are pretty much valid when used under earthlike conditions, but when you attain speeds closer to the speed of light, or are near a very strong gravitation field, such as near a star or a black hole, the Newtonian classical equations do not hold and Einsteins Relativistic equations must come to the rescue.

Entire books have been written on the subject and I feel I cannot do justice to the questions in a simple and quick thread. So I will try to point out some illustrative features and examples of relativity at work.

1.Speed has an effect on time , the more you speed up, the more time slow. And I do not mean that in the sense of Time Zones.I mean that as in the more you speed up, the more the passage of time is slowed down.This is documented in a phenomena known as "Time Dilation".If you have a twin sister, born on the same day, and you somehow have access to this jet that can attain 1% of the speed of light, and you board that jet while leaving your sister here on earth, every second you will spend on that jet will be equal to about 22.4 seconds on earth, meaning if you leave your twin sister on earth at age 20 and spend one year on board a jet that constantly travels at 299,700 km/s (1% of c) after one year you will return to earth at age 21 only to find your twin sister aged about 42 years, meaning one year on the jet will be equal to about 22 years on earth.The speed on the jet will dilate 22 years into one year.

2. Speed has an effect on mass.The more you speed the more massive your become.This is true of any body with a rest mass. In fact, the reason the speed of light is said to be the speed barrier of the universe, and nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, solely rest on the fact that for any object with a rest mass to attain the speed of light, it will have to attain an infinite mass, now we know that no object can attain an infinite mass, and even if it were to somehow attain an infinite mass, what energy is going to move infinite mass very slightly? Let alone at the speed of light?

Furthermore, for any object to move at the speed of light, the time dilation will be so great that time itself will seem to stand still for that object.In essence time seems to stand still for electromagnetic waves moving at the speed of light.If one can could move faster than the speed of light that person could essentially move backwards in time

Relativity also manifest itself in the phenomena of length contraction. And of course you have the world famous e = mc squared.

There are so many things on this topic but I just wanted to touch on the most obvious faces here and some aspects that may be relevant to my question.

The effects of gravitation on mass and time are further discussed in Einstein General Relativity Theory.

 

[Mama]

Okay, how can you relate the above explanation with inertia and momentum phenomena; Newtons third law and two slits experiment. I am sorry for more questions. I want to make sure we are on the same perspective before kuanza kubwabwaja hapa.

 

[Pundit]

Okay, how can you relate the above explanation with inertia and momentum phenomena; Newtons third law and two slits experiment. I am sorry for more questions. I want to make sure we are on the same perspective before kuanza kubwabwaja hapa.

Forgive me for asking this, but are you pulling my leg?

The question is how do you want to relate?

If you apply relativity in explaining action at a distance this may be sufficient for objects in the same Einstein-Minkowski spacetime light cone, clearly objects separated by a hundred light years are not in the same Einstein-Minkowski spacetime light cone.

Newton's third law of motion simply put, states "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction" but does not say anything about the reaction being instantaneous, because it is not.So it does not apply.

The two slits experiment is used to underscore the wave-particle duality Quantum Electro Dynamic nature of photons .If you are implying the splitting is instantaneous, a phenomena I have never seen documented, this still does not explains how the plitting is instantaneous in a universe with the speed of light as the speed barrier.

The question remain as sound as ever, and there is a nobel in this, together with a pipe dream of putting Tanzania on the map.

And by the way, if you are thinking we do not have the necessary particle accelerator and stuff to experiment, Einstein developed Relativity mainly by thought experiments and calculations.

 

[Mama]

Okay you see, now you are bringing me into perspective.

Nothing travels faster than a speed of light. Th Einstein special theory of reletivity states that the speed of light (c) represents an insurmountable barrier to any object that has real mass. Therefore, No ordinary material thing can be accelerated from sub-light speeds up to the speed of light or beyond. Right?

 

[Pundit]

Okay you see, now you are bringing me into perspective.

Nothing travels faster than a speed of light. Th Einstein special theory of reletivity states that the speed of light (c) represents an insurmountable barrier to any object that has real mass. Therefore, No ordinary material thing can be accelerated from sub-light speeds up to the speed of light or beyond. Right?

Correct,

On top of that, even massless particles cannot travel faster than light, if you do not believe in the speculations of tachyons and negative mass of course.

But what explains the instantaneous (instantaneous is faster than the speed of light) action at a distance?

I think the same way Newtonian classical physics could not be adequate to describe relativistic phenomena, Einstein's relativity cannot explain this weird action at a distance.Perhaps the frustrating effect of this is why Einstein said "God does not play dice".

The solution to this puzzle has more to do with Quantum Electro Dynamic than relativity.

 

[Mama]

Correct,

But what explain the instantaneous (instantaneous is faster than the speed of light) action at a distance?

Is this into to the same perspective with the light barrier we were talking about earlier? I would stick to special and general Einstein theories of reletivity

 

[Pundit]

Is this into to the same perspective with the light barrier we were talikgn about earlier?

Correct,

If the speed of light is indeed the speed barrier of the universe, I would expect the fastest reaction from an object a hundred light years away to take at least a hundred years (light taking a hundred years to travel the length of a hundred light years, a light year being the unit of distance that light will take to travel in a year, approximately 9,500,000,000,000 kilometers).As pointed out in the earlier analogy, if you live 30 kms from your cousin and the fastest mode of communication is 5 km/h you would expect the fasters courier service to deliver the letter in 30 km divide by 5 km/h you get six hours.

Now if the cousin gets the letter in just under a second you would get suspicious and think somebody is using email, and that 5 km/ h is not really the fastest speed.

In this analogy 5 km/h is analogous to the speed of light
30 km is analogous to 100 light years
1 second is analogous to instantaneous

 

[Mama]

Ok, as we know that the kinetic energy into an object that is already moving at high speed has the main effect of causing a relativistic mass increase rather than a substantial increase in speed. Furthermore, speed more than that of light would result to infringement of the fundamental principle of special relativity, which is that all inertial reference frames (a coordinate system in which there is no accelerations, only zero or uniform motion in a straight) are equivalent.


Considering spacetime transfomations (which results to time dilation, mass increase and length contraction) the speed of light remains constant as nothing else can beat the this speed.

For example, very fast spacecraft and its crew are affeted much by the time dilation. On the other hand, for objects moving at considerable fractions of the speed of light, time slows down.


Remember even quantum electrodynamics have lot of unexplains scenarios leading to physists to go further to quantum teleportation.

 

[Pundit]

Ok, as we know that the kinetic energy into an object that is already moving at high speed has the main effect of causing a relativistic mass increase rather than a substantial increase in speed. Furthermore, speed more than that of light would result to infringement of the fundamental principle of special relativity, which is that all inertial reference frames (a coordinate system in which there is no accelerations, only zero or uniform motion in a straight) are equivalent.


Considering spacetime transfomations (which results to time dilation, mass increase and length contraction) the speed of light remains constant as nothing else can beat the this speed.

For example, very fast spacecraft and its crew are affeted much by the time dilation. On the other hand, for objects moving at considerable fractions of the speed of light, time slows down.


Remember even quantum electrodynamics have lot of unexplains scenarios leading to physists to go further to quantum teleportation.

Quantum teleportation involves transportation bounded by the speed limit, the speed of light. Instantaneous action at a distance is distinct from quantum teleportation in that it is not bounded by the the speed of light.

If you use the probabilistic nature of QED you can explain quantum teleportation.

Explaining any phenomena that seems to violate the speed of light, apart from the actual expansion of space time itself, may get spooky.

Speaking of the expansion of space-time, this action at a distance phenomena may very well be seeded in the expansion of spacetime.

Where is my Nobel now?

 

[Mama]

Quantum teleportation involves transportation bounded by the speed limit, the speed of light. Instantaneous action at a distance is distinct from quantum teleportation in that it is not bounded by the the speed of light.

If you use the probabilistic nature of QED you can explain quantum teleportation.

Explaining any phenomena that seems to violate the speed of light, apart from the actual expansion of space time itself, may get spooky.

Speaking of the expansion of space-time, this action at a distance phenomena may very well be seeded in the expansion of spacetime.

Where is my Nobel now?

Can you explain again the instantenous action in distance? It is still vague to me! You will receive your Nobel after being conversant with this.

 

[Pundit]

The speed of light (c) is 299 792 458 m / s

For the sake of argument, let us define an instant to be equal to the Planck time, which is the unit of time a photon in a vacuum will take to travel the Planck length (1.6 × 10 power−35 meters, 6.3 × 10 power−34 inches, or about 10 power−20 times the diameter of a proton).Extremely small amount of time (5.39056 x 10 power-44 seconds).

If you have an electrical switch on the wall, 10 m from the bulb, and you turn that switch on, because light travels at c, the light from the bulb will take approximately 10 nanoseconds to reach you.

If light can travel instantaneously it can get to you instantly, or in our case because an instant is the plank time, about 5.39056 x 10 power-34 nano seconds.

For light to be able to get to you instantly, or in 5.39056 x 10 power-34 nanoseconds, light will need to violate the speed barrier and travel faster than c.

Instantaneous action at a distance seems to violate the speed of light barrier.

 

[Koba]

Wikipedia wamesema



Now I do not claim to fully grasp relativity, for even a hundred years after it's introduction, it is perplexing not only to the lay enthusiast, but also to specialists.

But nevertheless I took an interest in it to know the basics at least. To understand relativity one has to understand the difference between the Einstenian world (relativity) and the classical Newtonian world.

In the classical Newtonian world, things are absolute, there is one ticking clock for the entire universe that synchonizes time all over the universe, masses are also absolute and so are lenghts.

The Newtonian concepts are pretty much valid when used under earthlike conditions, but when you attain speeds closer to the speed of light, or are near a very strong gravitation field, such as near a star or a black hole, the Newtonian classical equations do not hold and Einsteins Relativistic equations must come to the rescue.

Entire books have been written on the subject and I feel I cannot do justice to the questions in a simple and quick thread. So I will try to point out some illustrative features and examples of relativity at work.

1.Speed has an effect on time , the more you speed up, the more time slow. And I do not mean that in the sense of Time Zones.I mean that as in the more you speed up, the more the passage of time is slowed down.This is documented in a phenomena known as "Time Dilation".If you have a twin sister, born on the same day, and you somehow have access to this jet that can attain 1% of the speed of light, and you board that jet while leaving your sister here on earth, every second you will spend on that jet will be equal to about 22.4 seconds on earth, meaning if you leave your twin sister on earth at age 20 and spend one year on board a jet that constantly travels at 299,700 km/s (1% of c) after one year you will return to earth at age 21 only to find your twin sister aged about 42 years, meaning one year on the jet will be equal to about 22 years on earth.The speed on the jet will dilate 22 years into one year.

2. Speed has an effect on mass.The more you speed the more massive your become.This is true of any body with a rest mass. In fact, the reason the speed of light is said to be the speed barrier of the universe, and nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, solely rest on the fact that for any object with a rest mass to attain the speed of light, it will have to attain an infinite mass, now we know that no object can attain an infinite mass, and even if it were to somehow attain an infinite mass, what energy is going to move infinite mass very slightly? Let alone at the speed of light?

Furthermore, for any object to move at the speed of light, the time dilation will be so great that time itself will seem to stand still for that object.In essence time seems to stand still for electromagnetic waves moving at the speed of light.If one can could move faster than the speed of light that person could essentially move backwards in time

Relativity also manifest itself in the phenomena of length contraction. And of course you have the world famous e = mc squared.

There are so many things on this topic but I just wanted to touch on the most obvious faces here and some aspects that may be relevant to my question.

The effects of gravitation on mass and time are further discussed in Einstein General Relativity Theory.

.....nimesoma kitabu ABOUT TIME (Einstein's unfinished revolution) by Paul Davies..is a good read na kimeniacha na maswali mengi sana kuhusu religion

 

[Kuhani]

Can you explain again the instantenous action in distance? It is still vague to me! You will receive your Nobel after being conversant with this.

The speed of light (c) is 299 792 458 m / s

For the sake of argument, let us define an instant to be equal to the Planck time, which is the unit of time a photon in a vacuum will take to travel the Planck length (1.6 × 10 power−35 meters, 6.3 × 10 power−34 inches, or about 10 power−20 times the diameter of a proton).Extremely small amount of time (5.39056 x 10 power-44 seconds).

If you have an electrical switch on the wall, 10 m from the bulb, and you turn that switch on, because light travels at c, the light from the bulb will take approximately 10 nanoseconds to reach you.

If light can travel instantaneously it can get to you instantly, or in our case because an instant is the plank time, about 5.39056 x 10 power-34 nano seconds.

For light to be able to get to you instantly, or in 5.39056 x 10 power-34 nanoseconds, light will need to violate the speed barrier and travel faster than c.

Instantaneous action at a distance seems to violate the speed of light barrier.

Kivipi ?

Mama, nakubaliana na wewe, swali halijaainishwa.

Pundit unasema "Instantaneous action at a distance seems to violate the speed of light barrier" lakini husemi kivipi. How ?

Unatumia muda mreeefu kueleza kwamba mwendokasi wa mwanga ndio wa juu kuliko kitu chochote kinavyoweza kusafiri, lakini huelezi hiyo action at a distance inavyoharibu huo msingi.

Ulivyoeleza mara ya kwanza umesema "To put this in perspective, if there are two paricles with the required symmetry...and these particles are separated in space by a million light years...what normally would take a million years, seems to happen instantaneously."

Lakini hujasema ni nini hicho cha ajabu kinachokuwa observed kutokea.

Halafu hiyo "required symmetry" ni kitu gani hasa hasa, hebu eleza vizuri na hilo.

Kingine, muhimu zaidi, mmejuaje kwamba kuna kitu hapo kimesafiri kati ya hizo particles at a distance ? Hicho kinachooneka kusafiri kwa kasi kupita mwanga wa jua ni nini hasa, information ya aina gani, electromagnetism ? Au chembe nyingine ? Na unajuaje kwamba kile kitu cha pili kimejibu (respond to) action at the first particle ?

Wanasema asilimia 90% ya utatuzi wa swala lolote lile ni kuelewa tatizo.

 

[Pundit]

Kivipi ?

Mama, nakubaliana na wewe, swali halijaainishwa.

Pundit unasema "Instantaneous action at a distance seems to violate the speed of light barrier" lakini husemi kivipi. How ?

Kivipi ndilo swali lenyewe la thread, mimi sijui kivipi ndiyo maana nikaanzisha thread.

Unatumia muda mreeefu kueleza kwamba mwendokasi wa mwanga ndio wa juu kuliko kitu chochote kinavyoweza kusafiri, lakini huelezi hiyo action at a distance inavyoharibu huo msingi.

Nimetoa mifano lukuki hapo juu na kueleza analogy ya taa several times. Subatomic particles have characteristics such as spin, which I mentioned before, when a particle change spin in our region of the universe for example, another twin particle one hundred light years can do the same almost instantaneously.Hii nimeeleza mbona? Au unataka nieleze vipi? Nikaeleza kwa kawaida information exchange iko limited na c, na hii instantaneous action/reaction at distances in the magnitude of 100 light years seems spooky, mbona hii nimesema?

Ulivyoeleza mara ya kwanza umesema "To put this in perspective, if there are two paricles with the required symmetry...and these particles are separated in space by a million light years...what normally would take a million years, seems to happen instantaneously."

Lakini hujasema ni nini hicho cha ajabu kinachokuwa observed kutokea.

Nimesema na nimerudia hapo juu, kuna characteristics za hizi particles zinakuwa observed ku mirror each other virtually instantaneously regardless of distance.

Umeamua kuacha makusudi nilipotaja categorically characteristics zinazoweza kuwa affected na hii instantaneous action at a distance, namely spin or direction.

Nilisema

But yet what normally would take a million years, seems to happen instantaneously.What happens here? What tells the other particle a million years away that your far off twin has changed direction, or spin?

Halafu hiyo "required symmetry" ni kitu gani hasa hasa, hebu eleza vizuri na hilo.

The universe is said to be symmetric, matter antimatter, energy anti-energy mirror particles exist, these mirror particles even when separated by a great distance seem to be able to mirror each other's characteristics such as spin for example

Kingine, muhimu zaidi, mmejuaje kwamba kuna kitu hapo kimesafiri kati ya hizo particles at a distance ? Hicho kinachooneka kusafiri kwa kasi kupita mwanga wa jua ni nini hasa, information ya aina gani, electromagnetism ? Au chembe nyingine ? Na unajuaje kwamba kile kitu cha pili kimejibu (respond to) action at the first particle ?

Wanasema asilimia 90% ya utatuzi wa swala lolote lile ni kuelewa tatizo.

The thread has this question open ended, it is not necessary kwa kitu kisafiri na ndiyo maana nikasema "action at a distance" na sikulazimisha kuwepo transmission iliyo faster than light.

Inawezekana kabisa hizi particles zilikuwa pamoja katika bing bang, zikapewa some sort of quantum Extra Sensory Perception na sasa hata baada ya kutenganishwa kwa umbali mkubwa, moja ikibadili spin nyingine inajua na kubadili spin instantaneously, even though it is 100 light years away.

An analogy is twins born on the same day and given some sort of ESP to know exactly what the other twin is doing.Hata kama twin mmoja yuko Cape Town na mwingine yuko Dar, mmoja akilia mwingine instantly anajua na kuanza kulia.

Swali langu linakuja, huyu twin wa pili anajuaje kwamba yule wa kwanza analia wakati hajapigiwa simu wala kutumiwa email?

Sio lazima speed of light iwe violated kwa sababu kuna uwezekano kabisa kukawa na some quantum ESP, what I am asking is that, if at all there is something transmitted, is the speed of light violated? If nothing is transmitted, is there some sort of unknown quantum ESP, perhaps entangled in the fabric of spacetime which expanded with the expansion of the universe to create this void of 100 light years while fundamentally, all spacetime started at a minusculy small grain at the singularity of the big bang?

The question is unanswered in this thread.

 

[Kuhani]

Kivipi ndilo swali lenyewe la thread, mimi sijui kivipi ndiyo maana nikaanzisha thread.

Eleze hizo particles at a distance zime communicate vipi ?

Nimetoa mifano lukuki hapo juu na kueleza analogy ya taa several times.

Mfano wa taa unaelezea mwendokasi wa mwanga, hauelezi action at a distance. Bado una focus kwenye kuelezea speed of light, huko siko.

Subatomic particles have characteristics such as spin, which I mentioned before, when a particle change spin in our region of the universe for example, another twin particle one hundred light years can do the same almost instantaneously.

Kwa nini unasema "can do the same" ? Kwa nini usiseme "does the same"? Nambie kinagaubaga kile kinachokuwa observed. Sio kinachoweza kuwa observed.

Hii nimeeleza mbona? Au unataka nieleze vipi? Nikaeleza kwa kawaida information exchange iko limited na c, na hii instantaneous action/reaction at distances in the magnitude of 100 light years seems spooky, mbona hii nimesema?

Hii limitation ya speed of light unarudia mara mia nne. Hilo linajulika, halihitaji maelezo. Eleza jinsi hiyo barrier ya speed of light inavyokuwa violated!!

Nimesema na nimerudia hapo juu, kuna characteristics za hizi particles zinakuwa observed ku mirror each other virtually instantaneously regardless of distance.

Ennheeee!

Hapa ndio napataka hapo. Unasema kwamba hizi chembe zilizo mbali hizi zina tabia zinazofanana, right ? Na hiyo kwako wewe, ni ishara kwamba zinawasiliana. Unajuaje ?

Umeamua kuacha makusudi nilipotaja categorically characteristics zinazoweza kuwa affected na hii instantaneous action at a distance, namely spin or direction.

"Spin or direction" zinakuwa "affected" vipi ? Halafu kwa nini you keep saying "zinavyoweza kuwa" badala ya "zilivyokuwa" ? Sema kilichokuwa observed, sio kinachoweza kutokea.

But yet what normally would take a million years, seems to happen instantaneously.What happens here? What tells the other particle a million years away that your far off twin has changed direction, or spin?

Unajuaje the other particle "has been told" anything ? Kwa maneno mengine, let's say hiyo communication ingechukua muda wa kawaida, chini ya speed of light, right ? Hata katika mazingira hayo ambayo yangekuwa sio ya ajabu, ungejuaje kwamba kuna mawasiliano yametokea ? Achilia mbali maajabu ya uwezekano wa mawasiliano ya papo kwa papo, umejuaje kumetokea mawasiliano, hata kama ni slow!

The universe is said to be symmetric, matter antimatter, energy anti-energy mirror particles exist, these mirror particles even when separated by a great distance seem to be able to mirror each other's characteristics such as spin for example

Kila kitu kina symmetry ?

Wewe una anti-Pundit wako?

Yuko wapi ? Pundit akiimba na anti-Pundit anaimba ? Unajuaje kwamba anti-Pundit ameimba kwa sababu Pundit kaimba ? Na unajuaje anti-Pundit kaambiwa, kawasiliana, na Pundit kabla na yeye hajaimba ? Na, la muhimu zaidi, unajuaje yupi alianza kuimba kwanza ? Manake kama mnaimba kwa mpigo basi hakuna aliyemuiga mwenzake. Vipi kama ni natural phenomenon kwamba Pundit na anti-Pundit wanaimba pamoja in unison bila mawasiliano?

The thread has this question open ended, it is not necessary kwa kitu kisafiri na ndiyo maana nikasema "action at a distance" na sikulazimisha kuwepo transmission iliyo faster than light.

Okay, kwa hiyo hatuna uhakika kwamba kuna mawasiliano. Basi hakuna paradox! Ha ahaa aaaaaa Hatuna uhakika kwamba kuna lolote lililo "wierd," hakuna cha kushangaza ha aha aaaaa!

Inawezekana kabisa hizi particles zilikuwa pamoja katika bing bang, zikapewa some sort of quantum Extra Sensory Perception na sasa hata baada ya kutenganishwa kwa umbali mkubwa, moja ikibadili spin nyingine inajua na kubadili spin instantaneously, even though it is 100 light years away.

Zikapewa na nani, Mfalme wa Wayahudi ?

An analogy is twins born on the same day and given some sort of ESP to know exactly what the other twin is doing.Hata kama twin mmoja yuko Cape Town na mwingine yuko Dar, mmoja akilia mwingine instantly anajua na kuanza kulia.

Umejuaje amejua ? We ukiwa Iringa ukalia na mdogo yuko Tabora akalia wakati huo huo tutasema mmewasiliana mkajiliza kwa mpigo?

Swali langu linakuja, huyu twin wa pili anajuaje kwamba yule wa kwanza analia wakati hajapigiwa simu wala kutumiwa email?

Umesha conclude amejua. Umejuaje amejua ?

Sio lazima speed of light iwe violated kwa sababu kuna uwezekano kabisa kukawa na some quantum ESP, what I am asking is that, if at all there is something transmitted, is the speed of light violated?

We don't know there is "something transmitted."

If nothing is transmitted, is there some sort of unknown quantum ESP, perhaps entangled in the fabric of spacetime which expanded with the expansion of the universe to create this void of 100 light years while fundamentally, all spacetime started at a minusculy small grain at the singularity of the big bang?

Why 100 ?

The question is unanswered in this thread.

What makes you think there is a question ?

 

[Pundit]

Eleze hizo particles at a distance zime communicate vipi ?

I know there is action and reaction, for the umpteenth time I do not know how does this happen and this is the entire point of the thread.If I knew this I wouldn't be asking.

Mfano wa taa unaelezea mwendokasi wa mwanga, hauelezi action at a distance. Bado una focus kwenye kuelezea speed of light, huko siko.

Mfano wa taa una illustrate vizuri sana action at a distance, unaondoa complexities za light years (ambazo mtu mwingine anaweza asielewe kama ni kipimo cha muda au umbali) na kueleza kwa kifupi tu kwamba mwanga unatumia 10 nanoseconds to travel 10 m, na kwamba kama mwanga ukiweza kuwa pictured kufika katika jicho la mtu anayewasha taa 10 m from the bulb instantaneously this will violate the speed of light, which dictate the time to be taken to be 10 ns.Mfano huu ni rahisi kuuelewa na hauna complexities za kuelezea some weird quantum characteristics za subatomic particles, characteristics kama color (not the usual color), charm, spin etc.Sijui kwa nini unanilazimisha niseme vitu unavyotaka wewe wakati mimi nina njia rahisi zaidi kueleweka.

Kwa nini unasema "can do the same" ? Kwa nini usiseme "does the same"? Nambie kinagaubaga kile kinachokuwa observed. Sio kinachoweza kuwa observed.

Does the same is a subset of can do the same, the probability wave function of can do the same contains the probability wave function ofdoes the same, but the probability wave function of does the same does not contain all the domain of the probability wave function of can do the same.

If you insist on certainties you are only exposing your ignorance of Quantum Electro Dynamics.Everything in QED is probabilistic, that is why I say can do the same instead of does the same.

Hii limitation ya speed of light unarudia mara mia nne. Hilo linajulika, halihitaji maelezo. Eleza jinsi hiyo barrier ya speed of light inavyokuwa violated!!

Wewe huwezi kumuongelea kila mtu, kama unaelewa ni vizuri, lakini usitake ku dictate ni jinsi gani ninaweza kuandika au kutoandika.In order to appreciate the significance of the idea of "instantaneous" ni muhimu sana kuelewa idea ya speed of light as the speed barrier, if you do not understand the speed of light as a speed barrier, instantaneous becomes just incredibly fast, perhaps even close to infinitely fast, but nothing mind boggling, and nothing against the laws of physics.If you understand relativity and how the speed of light is the speed barrier in the universe you appreciate the impossibility of anything to have an instantaneous reaction.You are treating the speed of light and the idea of "instantaneous" as two different things while they are actually two entities differing only in speed.

Ennheeee!

Hapa ndio napataka hapo. Unasema kwamba hizi chembe zilizo mbali hizi zina tabia zinazofanana, right ? Na hiyo kwako wewe, ni ishara kwamba zinawasiliana. Unajuaje ?

Hili swali nimesema hapo mwanzo kwamba nimeliacha wazi.Swali limeulizwa je zinawasiliana? Na kama zinawasiliana zinawasiliana vipi?

Sababu iliyofanya swali kuulizwa kama zinawasiliana ni kutokana na experience ya action/ reaction tuliyonayo (energy exchange, / elecctromagnetic waves action/ reaction etc).Hakuna action/ reaction relationship inayojulikana (ukiacha hii) ambayo haihusu mawasiliano, it is only fair that scientific inquiry start there.

"Spin or direction" zinakuwa "affected" vipi ? Halafu kwa nini you keep saying "zinavyoweza kuwa" badala ya "zilivyokuwa" ? Sema kilichokuwa observed, sio kinachoweza kutokea.

Spin and direction za particle moja, kama nilivyoeleza hapo juu, na narudia, zinaweza ku influence an instant change in the spin or direction of another particle.Nasema "zinavyoweza kuwa" kwa sababu tunaongelea a quantum situation, the quantum world never has definites but probability wave a la Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.If you know anything about Quantum Electrodynamic, you will know that everything about it is probabilistic, you make experiments and prediction by observing a large enough number of cases and watching the trends of probabilities.It is like throwing a coin 100 times, and instead of the expected outcomes to be around 50% heads and 50% tails the outcome becomes 80% heads and 20% tails.Although you cannot say, and it will be wrong to say that the outcome will be "50% heads and 50% tails" one can correctly say the outcome will tend to "50% heads and 50% tails". In a probabilistic environment you cannot demand absolutes. If the opposite was the case your insurance company would have been out of business a long time ago.

Unajuaje the other particle "has been told" anything ? Kwa maneno mengine, let's say hiyo communication ingechukua muda wa kawaida, chini ya speed of light, right ? Hata katika mazingira hayo ambayo yangekuwa sio ya ajabu, ungejuaje kwamba kuna mawasiliano yametokea ? Achilia mbali maajabu ya uwezekano wa mawasiliano ya papo kwa papo, umejuaje kumetokea mawasiliano, hata kama ni slow!

Newtons third law of motion can be used to illustrate all action/reaction phenomena of this type.When you fire a gun of photon in a CERN particle accelerator, the photon knocks off particles and particles accelerate, the knocked particle "has been told" to accelerate by the force of the "bullet" photon.

Tatizo ni kwamba, unataka kujivua any bias ya common experience tuliyo nayo, which is well and good, actually a very good way of ridding oneself of misleading bias mundane baggage, I employed this, correctly, the problem is you are throwing the baby with the bathwater.Hata ile experience inayoweza kutusaidia ku chart our way unataka kuitupa.You have to know how and when to switch the bias on or off.

For example, part of the reason Einstein was very successful at his thought experiments is due to the fact that he was able to turn off his bias, and use his so called "mind's eye" to picture a world in which he was riding a ray of light and as a result time stood still.This was a very good way of using theability to turn the bias switch off.

Kila kitu kina symmetry ?

Kila kitu, on the grand scale of the universe, kina symmetry.

Wewe una anti-Pundit wako

Anti-Pundit si wewe hapo Every particle in my body, and in the universe has a symmetrical particle, thats why you have the s particles, every electron has a selectron, every proton has sproton, every neutrino has sneutrino etc etc

Yuko wapi ? Pundit akiimba na anti-Pundit anaimba ? Unajuaje kwamba anti-Pundit ameimba kwa sababu Pundit kaimba ? Na unajuaje anti-Pundit kaambiwa, kawasiliana, na Pundit kabla na yeye hajaimba ? Na, la muhimu zaidi, unajuaje yupi alianza kuimba kwanza ? Manake kama mnaimba kwa mpigo basi hakuna aliyemuiga mwenzake. Vipi kama ni natural phenomenon kwamba Pundit na anti-Pundit wanaimba pamoja in unison bila mawasiliano?

Anti Pundit huyu hapo anacheza kama caricature on a string, bila hata kuujua muziki unaendaje, mradi tu.

On a serious note

Kama ni natural phenomenon, kila natural phenomenon ina maelezo ya jinsi inavyotokea.Kama hatuijui hatuijui tu lakini hamna kitu kama "ni natural phenomenon tu".Yaani unachofanya hapo ni sawa sawa na wale watu ambao according to legend walimshangaa Newton alipotaka kujua kwa nini vitu vinaanguka kwenda chini na sio kwenda juu.Sasa wewe badala ya ku appreciate swali na kuchunguza zaidi ili tujue sababu ya vitu kuwa vilivyo, unaanza kusema "hii si natural phenomenon tu", ndiyo, lakini natural phenomenon zinaelezeka kwa gravity na electromagnetic waves etc, hii ya instantaneous action at a distance inatokeaje?

Kitty Fergusson katika kitabu chake "The Fire in the Equations" alimtaja Dr. Hawkins kama mwanasayansi wa hali ya juu kabisa kwa sababu zaidi ya kutaka kujua vitu vinavyofanya kazi, pia alitak kujua kwa nini vinakuwa vinavyokuwa.Kwa hiyo mimi hata sijafika huko kwenye kwa nini, nipo kwenye how, wewe unanishangaa ninapouliza maswali ya how? Je nikianza kuuliza maswali ya why utaniambiaje?

Okay, kwa hiyo hatuna uhakika kwamba kuna mawasiliano. Basi hakuna paradox! Ha ahaa aaaaaa Hatuna uhakika kwamba kuna lolote lililo "wierd," hakuna cha kushangaza ha aha aaaaa!

Cha kushangaza ni kuwa, kwa kadiri tunavyojua, kwa mujibu wa kanuni za physics, kanuni ambazo zimejulikana kuwa universal, mara zote kwenye action/ reaction relationships kuna mawasiliano.So it is only right to wonder if at all something seems to happen with the appearance of action/ reaction. If this is not action reaction, the thread sk what is it?

Zikapewa na nani, Mfalme wa Wayahudi ?

The swooshing swashbuckling of the singularity of the blue blistering barnacles of the big bang

Umejuaje amejua ?

Kwa sababu sijajua na kujua hujaua ndiyo kujua.

We ukiwa Iringa ukalia na mdogo yuko Tabora akalia wakati huo huo tutasema mmewasiliana mkajiliza kwa mpigo?

Ian Fleming, the creator of James Bond said, once is happenstance, twice could be a coincidence, but three times is definite design.

Kama hii kitu ingekuwa inatokea mara moja au mbili tungeweza kusema ni random chance.Lakini kama kuna twin wangu yuko mbali na day in day out akilia na mimi nalia halafu tukija ku compare notes tunakuta tunalia muda ule ule, nitajua kuna kitu kinatokea. Ninachouliza ni nini kinatokea? Sio lazima yawe mawasiliano, lakini kuna sababu inayosababisha hiyo symmetry, swali langu ni, kitu hiki ni kitu gani?

From the laws of probability

Umesha conclude amejua. Umejuaje amejua ?

As stated above, kwa sababu sijajua na kujua hujaua ndiyo kujua umejua.

We don't know there is "something transmitted."

Very well, then the question still stands, what happens? What cause the symmetry?

Why 100 ?

Why not?

Because I chose that as an illustrative example.What you want me to consult with you for a number that will be suitable to you now?

Because you use a base 10 number system and the most elementary non unitary numeric system is binary, if you take the digits in the number system you use then raise it to the number of digits in the simplest non unitary number system unapata 100.

Kwa sababu binadamu ana una vidole 5 mkono mmoja, 5 mkono wa pili, vidole 5 mguuni kulia na vidole 5 mguuni kushoto.Ukivichanganya vyote unapata 20, ukizidisha 20 mara namba ya idadi ya vidole katika mkono mmoja, au mguu mmoja unapata 20 x 5 = 100

Don't make me go Asimov on this and bring here the scriptural significance of 100

What makes you think there is a question ?

Perhaps you do not have the capacity to comprehend the question. If you cannot understand the probabilistic nature of Quantum Electrodynamic and do not have the humility and curiosity to ask, you end up telling a Newton "why do you think there is a question" when he asks "why do things fall down, not up?"

 

[Mish Albert]

Forgive me for asking this, but are you pulling my leg?

The question is how do you want to relate?

If you apply relativity in explaining action at a distance this may be sufficient for objects in the same Einstein-Minkowski spacetime light cone, clearly objects separated by a hundred light years are not in the same Einstein-Minkowski spacetime light cone.

Newton's third law of motion simply put, states "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction" but does not say anything about the reaction being instantaneous, because it is not.So it does not apply.

Duuh,JF ya zamani ilikuwa na vichwa hadii raha

Mkuu Pundit,

I have found perfect non-euclidean's non-linear geometric field's equations

Together with differential mathematical functions and Quantum chromodynamics spacetime's diagram which will fully solve your Quantum entanglement's puzzle.

Mmmh,tulio kimbia umande tunajulikana tu.

 

[Mish Albert]

Mods,hamisheni huu uzi muupeleke Jamii Intelligence

 

[nsharighe]

Philosophy

 

[ngafu.fijo]

Kuna akina Sheldon Cooper humu....