India is ready to abandon the Su-57 and focus on buying the American F-35s

[MT255]

BEIJING, (BM) – According to various military sources in India, as well as according to the Chinese publication Sohu, there is a high probability that India will abandon the acquisition of the Russian Su-57 Super Sukhoi and move to the American F-35, learned BulgarianMilitary.com.

The high cost of the upgraded version of the Russian Su-57 Super Sukhoi fighter, and the purchase of the basic version of the Indian Air Force is not considered due to the “dampness” of this version.

The Su-57 purchase could be unbearable for India, betting that the first deliveries of this combat aircraft are planned only in five years, in this connection, India began to consider the possibility of acquiring the American F-35A.

According to some reports, the cost of the upgraded version of the Su-57 will vary from 150 to 200 million dollars, and given the fact that India plans to acquire several hundred fifth-generation fighters, it is obvious that we are talking about billions of dollars.

Given that the export value of American F-35s is about 120-140 million dollars, and this combat aircraft was seen performing military operations, India is likely to really abandon Russian fighters.

“It would not be an exaggeration to say that the Su-57 of the second stage, which is planned to be released in 2024, is the“ real Su-57. At the current stage, the Su-57 can only be considered a pre-production Su-57, and its degree of completion is relatively low. Even the Russian Air Force does not want to receive them in large quantities” experts said.

“At this stage, the Su-57 with a very low degree of readiness will obviously not be accepted by the Indian Air Force, so even if India wants to buy a Su-57 fighter, it will have to wait at least until the second stage fighter appears around 2025. If India wants to buy a fifth-generation car in five years, the F-35A/B is the most ideal choice. The likelihood of buying a Su-57 is very small. As for the value of the Russian export fighter for India, it is inexpedient for the Russians not to demand more than 150 million US dollars.” Sohu reports.

Earlier, India abandoned the joint development of a fifth-generation fighter with Russia, declaring its low efficiency and overpriced.

Russia is desperately trying to find a market for its Su-57

Russia is ready together with India to create a fifth-generation fighter; a positive signal to intensify this work may be a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense for the purchase of Su-57, accoeding Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov statement on February 4.

Manturov said that the Russian side is ready to“continue negotiations on a fifth-generation fighter,” RIA Novosti reports.

“An important event took place in the Su-57 program – the Ministry of Defense placed an order for 76 fighters. I believe that this is a positive signal for our Indian partners, but we will discuss specific formats for cooperation,” he added.

The Minister also noted that the Russian new MiG-35 fighter, which was announced to participate in the Indian tender, surpasses many competitors “in flight performance and combat properties.”

In addition, we must not forget about economic feasibility, as well as a significant level of continuity for the Indian Air Force, which has successfully operated Russian-made equipment for over 50 years.

“Of course, the decision will be made by the Indian side, but I am convinced that Russia is the best supplier of modern combat aircraft for India,” the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade emphasized.


The US has warned India not to rely on Russian fighter jets in combat

On June 22 the American columnist of Forbes, David Ax, recalls that recently it became known about the death of 20 Indian soldiers in a shootout along the disputed Indian-Chinese border, passing through a towering mountain range. He also notes that, according to media reports [Forbes – ed.], forty-three Chinese soldiers were injured in the clash.

“It is not surprising that India this week allegedly placed an order with Russia for $780 million for 33 fighters with Russia, which is enough to equip or re-equip two squadrons,” the publication says.

It is known that New Delhi plans to acquire 21 MiG-29 fighters and several Su-30.

The Indian Air Force has long planned to purchase additional aircraft to strengthen the existing arsenal of service, consisting of about 230 Su-30s and 60 MiG-29s. New Delhi also plans to acquire 83 local Tejas light fighters, as well as 144 foreign medium-sized fighters, in the coming years.

David Ax notes that all new fighters are part of the effort to increase the air force from 28 front-line squadrons to 40, the number of which New Delhi considers sufficient to fight simultaneously with Pakistan and China.

“These 28 squadrons fly on a stunning variety of fighters, including Indian and Russian types, the French Mirage 2000s and Rafales, and European Jaguars,” recalls an observer for the American publication.

Tom Cooper, an author and aviation expert, expressed his surprise that the Indian Air Force wants the Su-30 and MiG-29 to meet the extraordinary requirements for a pair of aircraft squadrons. Su-30, although it seems impressive on paper, in comparison with Western models does not have performance and combat efficiency.

David Ax explains that Cooper’s point of view is this: for decades, the Mirage 2000 was a more effective fighter in the Indian service than the Su-30. Rafale, the successor to the French-made Mirage, is also one of India’s finest fighters. However, the Indians ordered a total of 36 Rafale.

“The Su-30 not only does not have the latest high-precision air-to-ground ammunition, but also does not work well with high-altitude air bases supporting Indian operations along the so-called border,” the Forbes publication says.

The lighter MiG-29 is better suited for the Indian Air Force than the Su-30. However, this does not mean that the old MiG is the right choice for New Delhi.

Even the Russians do not believe the Su-57 will defeat the F-35 in an air battle

The Russian Su-57 fighter is already a good combat vehicle. However, there is still something to improve, for example, in order to bypass the American F-35 in terms of basic indicators, expert Vladimir Vasiliev believes and said on January 11 this year.

If we compare the Su-57 with an American competitor, then the domestic aircraft surpasses the opponent in terms of maneuverability, flight range and top speed, which makes it more attractive for buyers in foreign markets. It is not in vain that Turkey, being in danger of breaking the F-35 supply contract, is increasingly thinking about buying new Su-57s from Russia.

Be that as it may, but the F-35 has one important feature that has been acquired by him historically, the expert emphasizes. The fact is that American fighters are always designed as aircraft carrier-based vehicles, and therefore have the ability to take off and land in short bands.

It is noteworthy that even in this component the Russian fighter has some groundwork for improvements. Russian designers, among other things, have experience in creating aircraft with a vertical take-off and landing system, so they can combine the qualities of the latest fighter with the capabilities of the famous Yak-141 in the future to inherit the best properties of previous prototypes and get ahead of the F-35 in all respects.

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[STRUGGLE MAN]

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[Bwana Utam]

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[mr chopa]

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[njumu za kosovo]

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[Bwana Utam]

Halafu hawa wakina kachori,bagia ,sambouusa na pili pili mbona wananunua silaha kwa fujoo mpaka watauziwa hadi manati sasa

 

[hearly]

Halafu hawa wakina kachori,bagia ,sambouusa na pili pili mbona wananunua silaha kwa fujoo mpaka watauziwa hadi manati sasa

Hahaaa

 

[cipher_]

Mda mwingine inabidi tujifunze kwa experience....waachani watumie.

Khabar nahi,Khuda jaanae.

 

[Bukyanagandi]

Mkuu, nikwambie kitu？Kwanza hiyo URL ya Bulgaria ni fake - the brains behind who filed this mega long post ni American Intel agency（si unawajuwa tena, mabingwa wa misinformation na disinformastion）hii post haiku andikwa kwa bahati mbaya ni makusudi kabisa baada ya Uncle SAM kupata fununu kwamba Serikali ya Modi/India inataka kushirikiana tena na Urusi ku- manufacture SU-57 jointly, hasa baada ya Urusi ku-resolve teething problems za fifth Generation Gas turbine engines ambazo zitatumika ku-power final version za SU-57 jet fighters.

Jamaa hawa wana mbinu nyingi za kuchota watu akili kama husipo kuwa makini, wanatumia sana media zao au fake source（ili wasionekana ndio wanahusika na upotoshaji）nia yao ni kupotosha wasomaji/wasikilizaji hasa watu wenye ushawishi mkubwa Serikalini kama wabunge na Majenerali wa jeshi kwenye Serikali ambazo USA inazilenga - mfano hapa ni India - post hii ndefu ya kuchonga tu lengo lake ni hilo - yaani India hisikubali kurudia kushirikiana tena na Russia ku-fund na ku-develope SU-57 project jointly, deep down US knows kwamba SU-57 atakuja kuwa tishio kubwa kwao eventually - hizi propaganda za kujaribu ku-water down potential za SU-57 kwa kuhorodhesha mapungufu yake lukuki ambayo mengi ni ya kutunga tu, Urusi hajawaji kuyataja hayo zaidi ya kusema kwamba power plant ya kuendesha SU-57 ndio inafanyiwa majaribio ya mwisho kwenye test rig kabla hazija kuwa installed kwenye SU-57 - kinyume chake Wamerika hawalali wako busy kutangazia Dunia kwamba SU-57 is not stealth enough, how did the American know bits and pieces of this stuff？Kwanza asili mia kubwa ya SU-57 imetengenezwa kwa kwa kutumia composite material i.e carbon fiberglas reinforced polymers - physics ya wapi inasema composite material u-reflect radar signature - wapi？

Tatizo kubwa walilo nalo Wamerica walio wengi ni inborn arrogance kwa kusijifanya wenyewe ndio welevu mkubwa lakini mataifa mengine ni mbumbumbu tu, hawana habari kwamba Dunia imeanza kushuhudia the beginig of the end of Uncle SAM sadly they never saw it COMING. Haya sasa tuje kwenye teknolojia ya Stealth ambayo USA uipigia debe kila mara as if Dunia haijui kwamba stealth technology wanzilizilishi wake ni Warusi sio Wamerika hivyo Warusi wanajua kwa kina mapungufu ya teknolojia hiyo,si hilo tu hata design ya F-35 fighter Lockheed Martin Company wali copy kila kitu kutoka ndege ya Urusi aina ya Yak-141 supersonic fighter flown for the first time in 1987 from a Rissian aircraft carrier, miaka karibu 28 baadae ndio L.Martin anatujia na F-35 ambayo kiukweli ni intellectual property ya Urusi save engine - sijawahi kusikia US inakubali ukweli huo hata siku moja zaidi ya majivuno na upotoshaji mkubwa katika harakati zao za kuwaharibia biashara na sifa Warusi na Wachina.

Ntatoa mfano mwingine wa kushanganza, mapema mwaka huu India ilipo tiliana sahihi mkataba na Urusi kununua MiG-29 thelathini na air defense systems, Trump kampigia simu Modi eti hasinunue ndege kutoka Urusi badala yake atawauzia F-16, Modi alikataa pendekezo la Trump aka stick na mkataba wake na Putin, binafsi sijawahi kusikia Urusi au Uchina ikishinikiza Mataifa mengine yasinunue ndege na silaha nyingine kutoka USA, swali ni：Kwa nini USA upendelea sana kuwawekea kauzibe Warusi na Wachina？**

 

[T14 Armata]

Halafu hawa wakina kachori,bagia ,sambouusa na pili pili mbona wananunua silaha kwa fujoo mpaka watauziwa hadi manati sasa

Sasa kama China inavamia eneo lao unataka wakodoe macho. Watu wanaichukulia poa India lakini ngoja vita ianze ndo mtajua kwanini India ina wanajeshi wengi wanaokufa kwenye mazoezi. Na mtajua kwa nini ndege zao nyingi hupata ajari.

 

[Bwana Utam]

Mkuu, nikwambie kitu？Kwanza hiyo URL ya Bulgaria ni fake - the brains behind who filed this mega long post ni American Intel agency（si unawajuwa tena, mabingwa wa misinformation na disinformastion）hii post haiku andikwa kwa bahati mbaya ni makusudi kabisa baada ya Uncle SAM kupata fununu kwamba Serikali ya Modi/India inataka kushirikiana tena na Urusi ku- manufacture SU-57 jointly hasa baada ya Urusi ku-resolve teething problems za fifth Generation Gas turbine engines ambazo zitatumika ku-power final version za SU-57 jet fighters.

Jamaa hawa wana mbinu nyingi za kuchota watu akili kama husipo kuwa makini, wanatumia sana media zao au fake source（ili wasionekana ndio wanahusika na xupotoshaji）nia yao ni kupotosha wasomaji/wasikilizaji hasa watu wenye ushawishi kama wabunge na Majenerali wa jeshi kwenye Serikali wanayo lenga - mrffano India - post yao ndefu lengo dRxcRrlake ni hilo yaani India hisiruxxSdie kushirikiana na Russia ku-fund na ku-develope SU-57 project jointly, deep dowxn55xx US knows kwamba SU-57 iCt xakuja kuwa tishio kubwa kwao eventually hizi propaganda za kujaribu ku-water down potential za gSU-57 ni kauli za mfa maji.

Hakika.....

 

[T14 Armata]

Kwanza hiyo Su-57 India alishajitoa tangu mwanzo kwenye joint program. Tangu prototype za mwanzo kabisa India ikajitoa kwa sababu ya gharama na malengo ya ndege hiyo. Kujitoa uko ndio kulifanya iwe na gharama kubwa.
India pia ina project yake ya kutengeneza HAL Tejas ambazo zitakuwa na gharama kubwa sana kutokana na sababu kama hizohizo. Wakitoka hizo wanataka kutengeneza stealth fighter na wao.

Pia kila nchi inakuwa na strategies zake, Russia wanataka Su-57 iwe air superiority fighter hivo inakuwa tofauti kabisa na F-35 ambazo ziko smart lakini hazina maneuverability na speed kubwa. US walitaka F-35 iwe undetected iwe na kazi ya kuharibu military installations kama radar na missile raunchers, itengeneze njia kwa ajili ya kina F-15, F-18 na F-16 ambazo zinabeba mabomu zaidi na haziko stealth lakini ndo ziko na performance nzuri angani.
Russia wameifanya Su-57 iwe anti-stealth, iwe na kazi ya kuzizuia F-35, F-22 na B-2. Haitokuwa na lengo la kupenya anga la adui na kwa hivo haiko stealth sana. Gharama zake zinatakiwa kuwa ndogo, zinakuwa kubwa kwa kuwa unit zinatengenezwa chache. Na haitakuwa na gharama kubwa za uendeshaji.
Su-57 haijakamilika kabisa na hata engine za Izdeliye hazijawekwa. Inatumia engine zinazotumika kwenye Su-35MKI sijui.

Sababu moja kubwa kabisa kwa nini India hawanunui Su-57, ni kwa sababu hazijakamilika. Wala usitarajie kuziona kabla ya hata 2025 uko. Hizi za sasa ni kwa testing tu. Na silaha hazinhnuliwi mwanzoni kabisa wakati hujui performance. UAE walinunua Pantsir za mwanzoni sahivi ziko Libya zinapigwa kizembe. Zilikuja kufanyiwa marekebisho makubwa mno badae.

 

[Bukyanagandi]

Hakika.....

Mkuu, revisit my post #9, nimeiboresha zaidi kwa kuongeza crucial point. CHEERS.

 

[inspectorbenja]

Mkuu, nikwambie kitu？Kwanza hiyo URL ya Bulgaria ni fake - the brains behind who filed this mega long post ni American Intel agency（si unawajuwa tena, mabingwa wa misinformation na disinformastion）hii post haiku andikwa kwa bahati mbaya ni makusudi kabisa baada ya Uncle SAM kupata fununu kwamba Serikali ya Modi/India inataka kushirikiana tena na Urusi ku- manufacture SU-57 jointly, hasa baada ya Urusi ku-resolve teething problems za fifth Generation Gas turbine engines ambazo zitatumika ku-power final version za SU-57 jet fighters.

Jamaa hawa wana mbinu nyingi za kuchota watu akili kama husipo kuwa makini, wanatumia sana media zao au fake source（ili wasionekana ndio wanahusika na upotoshaji）nia yao ni kupotosha wasomaji/wasikilizaji hasa watu wenye ushawishi mkubwa Serikalini kama wabunge na Majenerali wa jeshi kwenye Serikali ambazo USA inazilenga - mfano hapa ni India - post hii ndefu ya kuchonga tu lengo lake ni hilo - yaani India hisikubali kurudia kushirikiana tena na Russia ku-fund na ku-develope SU-57 project jointly, deep down US knows kwamba SU-57 atakuja kuwa tishio kubwa kwao eventually - hizi propaganda za kujaribu ku-water down potential za SU-57 kwa kuhorodhesha mapungufu yake lukuki ambayo mengi ni ya kutunga tu, Urusi hajawaji kuyataja hayo zaidi ya kusema kwamba power plant ya kuendesha SU-57 ndio inafanyiwa majaribio ya mwisho kwenye test rig kabla hazija kuwa installed kwenye SU-57 - kinyume chake Wamerika hawalali wako busy kutangazia Dunia kwamba SU-57 is not stealth enough, how did the American know bits and pieces of this stuff？Kwanza asili mia kubwa ya SU-57 imetengenezwa kwa kwa kutumia composite material i.e carbon fiberglas reinforced polymers - physics ya wapi inasema composite material u-reflect radar signature - wapi？

Tatizo kubwa walilo nalo Wamerica walio wengi ni inborn arrogance kwa kusijifanya wenyewe ndio welevu mkubwa lakini mataifa mengine ni mbumbumbu tu, hawana habari kwamba Dunia imeanza kushuhudia the beginig of the end of Uncle SAM sadly they never saw it COMING. Haya sasa tuje kwenye teknolojia ya Stealth ambayo USA uipigia debe kila mara as if Dunia haijui kwamba stealth technology wanzilizilishi wake ni Warusi sio Wamerika hivyo Warusi wanajua kwa kina mapungufu ya teknolojia hiyo,si hilo tu hata design ya F-35 fighter Lockheed Martin Company wali copy kila kitu kutoka ndege ya Urusi aina ya Yak-141 supersonic fighter flown for the first time in 1987 from a Rissian aircraft carrier, miaka karibu 28 baadae ndio L.Martin anatujia na F-35 ambayo kiukweli ni intellectual property ya Urusi save engine - sijawahi kusikia US inakubali ukweli huo hata siku moja zaidi ya majivuno na upotoshaji mkubwa katika harakati zao za kuwaharibia biashara na sifa Warusi na Wachina.

Ntatoa mfano mwingine wa kushanganza, mapema mwaka huu India ilipo tiliana sahihi mkataba na Urusi kununua MiG-29 thelathini na air defense systems, Trump kampigia simu Modi eti hasinunue ndege kutoka Urusi badala yake atawauzia F-16, Modi alikataa pendekezo la Trump aka stick na mkataba wake na Putin, binafsi sijawahi kusikia Urusi au Uchina ikishinikiza Mataifa mengine yasinunue ndege na silaha nyingine kutoka USA, swali ni：Kwa nini USA upendelea sana kuwawekea kauzibe Warusi na Wachina？**

Wewe bwana unaonekananunalaliaupande kabisa.Haujui kwamba hawa watu wanaibiana technolojia katika nyakati tofuati tofauti kwa kutumia majasusi siyo Urusi siyo Amerika.Unapotosha umma unapojifanya kama vile marekani peke yake ndo mwizi wa teknolojia.

 

[Sela Son]

Dah Russia anaendelea kutesa tu, akija mchina anapewa zana akija India anapewa zana.
India hawezi kuwaepuka Warusi kwenye silaha lazima atanunua tu vile vile China..
Hawa wote China na India technolojia zao za kijeshi no dhaifu Sana bila Russia

 

[Goldzone]

Wewe bwana unaonekananunalaliaupande kabisa.Haujui kwamba hawa watu wanaibiana technolojia katika nyakati tofuati tofauti kwa kutumia majasusi siyo Urusi siyo Amerika.Unapotosha umma unapojifanya kama vile marekani peke yake ndo mwizi wa teknolojia.

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